User talk:MSGJ

Please see

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Stub category#Edit request to fix spacing. Funandtrvl (talk) 00:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC) (Using {{pls}})

 replied — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

WPBannerMeta: NEEDS-IMAGE proposal

Hi -- just wanted to make sure you were aware that I've proposed an implementation for the NEEDS-IMAGE parameter to WPBannerMeta that you suggested long ago, and which we discussed briefly last month. The details are at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Feedback: NEEDS-IMAGE. If you have time to look it over, I'd be very grateful for your feedback as an experienced admin who's much more familiar with WPBannerMeta than I. Cheers! —Tim Pierce (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

 replied — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Stub category/doc

The Regional stub category template was missing from Template:Other category header templates. Since it's now added to that template, the extra line under "see also" on the Stub cat and regional stub cat /doc pgs is not really necessary, since it is a duplication. Maybe you viewed the /doc pg before I updated the "other cat" template? --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Didn't even notice that template, to be honest. Reverted ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem, even though Template:Regional stub category/doc is a redirect to Template:Stub category/doc, with |regional=yes -that one line under "See also" isn't necessary anymore. It's better that the "Regional stub cat" is listed on Template:Other category header templates, since the other templates on the list didn't have a link to the Regional template. Cheers! --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your administration, Martin (MSGJ). ;) --777sms (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

You are most welome! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Singles

Final changes have been made to the sandbox and an edit request has been re-made. Output of the sandbox template is listed on the talk page. –Dream out loud (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

All done. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Please translate

Hi, I don't think {{please translate}} will be used (and maybe shouldn't be used), but I didn't want to just tag it with G7, since you've edited it. Inquiries at the requestor's talk and the WP:RFT talk have netted no response, so I'm fine with deleting it if you are. If you think I should take it to WP:TFD instead, I can do that too. Thought we might be able to avoid some process though. Thanks, — Bility (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Happy to apply G7 + common sense. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I guess this redirect and the doc page can go too. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 21:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems someone got there before me. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

list of suite precure episodes

to clarify this is a TV show from Japan. "TV asahi" airs this show in Japan so their website at http://asahi.co.jp/precure/ counts as a since sine they do the schedule. This confirms at the very least the disputed title for episode 18 since the Google translation sot of matches despite being hobiily bad and my traslation was done by a fan from livjournal as such this means I've tracked down the original source. Toei animation produces the show so I'm hoping their site can shed like on the disputed title for 19 but my machine crashes when I try. Darkcat1 (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Santorum

Looks like unprotecting was a mistake, unfortunately: [1]. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. But it's been pretty quiet for a long time. Let's watch for a bit. I'd still like it to be fully unprotected to not tie ip24's hands. I think it should be all or nothing. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomas, that was a good faith edit and not vandalism. Rollback should not have been used to revert it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree (and would not have used rollback if I had agreed) -- that editor was clearly aware of the lack of support on the article talk page for his view. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Please read WP:VANDNOT. Even if that edit was disruptive, it does not fall into the category of vandalism. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ, as you're aware, the content of your Talk page is entirely your purview. The comment I left was for your consumption (and your Talk page lurkers) not AN/I. I am going to remove it there. (someone replied) My concern was primarily that the request made to you was made based on false information. In spirit, I believe the editor was making an honest plea, but I feel that using misinformation to support it was a mistake. -- Avanu (talk) 13:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I've reprotected this article again. I think it may be more constructive if changes are discussed on the talk page. This blanking and unblanking was getting out of hand. Perhaps the article should go to AfD to resolve this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I can tell you that several editors will say that AfD has already failed several times. And I think the vast majority view is that the article content can be kept. The real question is 'in what form?' In other words, should be be merged or retitled or something else. -- Avanu (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been through 3 AFDs, and one or more detailed discussions at BLPN. Good call by the way, it was becoming a distraction. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ, per WP:BLP on attack pages, this article MUST be blanked and speedied. I was following policy on this matter. i see you've protected the page, with the contents visible, please kindly blank it per policy. KoshVorlon' _Nal^uboutes _Aeria ^Gloris 15:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Kosh, your thoughts would be most welcome on the article talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

KoshVorlon, the article is about a notable word.[2] It may be outrageous, but it also is a subject discussed in a vast array of publications.[3] I hope you will reconsider your stance that blanking a page that has survived three AfD attempts in five years, most recently less than six months ago, is appropriate conduct by an editor of this encyclopedia. Gacurr (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ you're mentioned here KoshVorlon' _Nal^uboutes _Aeria ^Gloris 11:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Protected double redirect

Thank you again, Martin for adding the Rcats to Template:R from modification. I noted on that talk page that I defeated the {{R mod}} double redirect, but there is another double redirect, {{R from alternative punctuation}}, that is really screwing up a lot of pages (see this Special page). I think that will all go away when that double redirect is defeated. I'd do it myself, but it's protected. I also don't know if there are any more double redirects. This is probably one reason why we might want to rethink making all the "R from" templates "Redirect from" ones. The bots don't seem to get to these double redirects very quickly, and when left as they are they can really mess up a lot of pages (and categories). – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  21:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like Gurch and TheDJ took care of all the double redirects, to include the one I mentioned above. Best to you, Martin! – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  22:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry this was caused by me moving the template and not checking up on the double-redirects. I'll be more careful next time. The bot can't touch to the protected ones. Regarding the names of these templates, and in view of the message below, perhaps we should move here and resolve this issue, as it would be better if they all followed the same naming scheme. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Redirect from...

Regarding several pagemoves that you had committed some time ago on redirect-categorizing templates, such as this one from "Template:R from modification" to "Template:Redirect from modification", I do not believe that it was wise to do so without linking to some discussion or community consensus supporting them. For one, if you compare both Special:PrefixIndex/Template:R from and Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Redirect from, lots of us editors are more familiar with using "R from" syntax than the longer title. If there did happen to be a relevant discussion for the moves, and I happened to miss it, could you please point it out to me? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 07:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I have moved a few of them occasionally when I happen to come across them. The rationale is that templates should have a clear name which identifies their purpose and "R from ..." is rather unclear as first glance. There is nothing to stop a shorter version being used as a redirect though, so there is no reason you have to type the longer name. I did try to start a discussion on this once, but there was not much response. If you would like to discuss this, perhaps it would be best to revive that discussion, and I won't move any more for now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice request

Hi Martin,

Could you set up an edit notice for me at Ketogenic diet? The body builders apparently like to puff up their hobby by using the most overmedicalized name they can find. It needs to say something like:

Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay I've added it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox albums template help

Disregard

 – Figured it out! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi MSGJ, could I bother you to take a look at my request at User_talk:Keraunoscopia#Template_coding_help? I saw your name in the recent edit history of this template and thought I'd reach out for some help with the matter. I'm simply not sure how else to ask for template help : ) Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 04:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Allrovi templates

Could you move the Allrovi templates that we discussed at Template_talk:Allrovi/movie#Edit_request_to_fix_URL_redirect? I re-added the edit protection request since it hasn't been moved yet. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Tropical cyclones/sandbox}}

Hi MSGJ. I was looking into switching {{hurricane}} to WPBannerMeta (we held out since we tend to implement custom features, but maintenance time for the template comes at a premium now), but there are a few things that are blocking me from doing a full switch to WPBM. In particular, I can't find the way to implement Category:Tropical cyclone articles with incomplete B-Class checklists anywhere, nor I can find how to prevent non-article inclusions from being fed into Category:Unknown-importance Tropical cyclone articles. We also have slightly different formatting for the comments section (to match {{To do}}'s "coffee roll" talk page format) and B-Class checklists. How would I go around modifying the WPBannerMeta sandbox to implement those features? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll certainly look into it for you. Give me a few days? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, no hurries. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 18:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Stewart Jamieson Article

Wesley Phillips (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello,

You left a comment on the change request I made on the Jamieson article. My apologies I was not making an actual change to the article. I was only making you aware that the change Werbena was attempting to make was incorrect and providing a reference. In regards to Wiki in our case they are real people. We are trying to work with your legal department regarding issues we are experiencing on your site. Now that Liptak has been banned, no doubt he'll be back, we have another issue that I have reported via info@wikimedia.org and I've contacted your legal department. Thank you for your help. You guys have done all you can. The volunteer who assisted us in dealing with the Liptak vandal was so professional and kind. We are very grateful.

Thank you

Username: Wesley Phillips

Question about the Cat class template

Greetings, I was just wondering about the Cat class template you created. It seems like this is used on a fair amount of categories but not all. Do you think anyone would have a problem if I did a pass though and implemented it on the rest of the assessment categories? --Kumioko (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I didn't create it. Adding it to categories is fairly uncontroversial, but in any job which involves mass edits, it would be worth putting the proposal somewhere central to gather comments from others first! (Then you can point to that discussion in your edit summary.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok I can do that. Were do you recommend starting it? I already figured theres about 5400 of them that need it out of about 41000. I started already and have almost completed the A-Class assessment categories and was going to move into the next class (I was going to do all the smaller lists first like Book, Disambig and the like since many projects don't use them) tonight. I am previewing each edit before I make it because the category doesn't always display the way it appears so it will take a little while to get through them but Ill just keep hacking away at it periodically till they are all done. I have also found several other problems or anomolies I have been documenting along the way and will address once this task is complete. --Kumioko (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you should not be doing jobs on 5400 pages without prior discussion and consensus, per the bot policy. I would suggest one of the village pumps would be a good place to start the discussion. By the way, one helpful thing you could do would be to go through Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention and fix those categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I could fix some of those but do you know what the problems are? --Kumioko (talk) 17:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Just simple stuff like this. I used to go through these myself but haven't had time recently. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok Ill take a look. I don't have admin rights so if they are protected I can't do much. I started the discussion on Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) about the Assessment category issue. Its been my experience that its nearly impossible to gain a concensus on anything and have only seen the exception to that on very rare occassions and I expect it will be quickly squashed as unneeded, unwanted or some other argument but well see. I have plenty of other tasks to work on in the mean time. Cheers. --Kumioko (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a note on the assessment category problems you mentioned. I believe the Cat class autodetects what the Class is (ie Class=B) so I don't think that part of the code is really needed. --Kumioko (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

So how long do you think I should leave it open? Till the weekend you think? --Kumioko (talk) 02:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Template deletion

Hi, I appreciate being informed if you nom any templates I have been working on, such as {{Cleanup}}. Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 00:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC).

Sure, but it wasn't my nomination. I was acting on behalf of User:TenPoundHammer who placed an {{editprotected}} request. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

By the way, could I have your opinions on my proposal at Template talk:Ambox#Raw option. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:English variant notice

Hi Martin,

I see this template is really just a wrapper which points at a sample / its own documentation if called directly. Do we really need that? It seems a bit convoluted over just calling what's in Template:English variant notice/core directly and passing it sensible defaults. Any particular reason for doing it that way? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Chris. I wanted to put an example on the documentation, and this is the only way I could think of which avoided template loops! If you have a better idea, I'm listening. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure which template loop you're talking about. I've flattened out the sub-templates at {{English variant notice 2}}: what is it that isn't working? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The automatic documentation generated by Template:English variant notice/documentation. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I guess I still don't understand. The documentation at template:English variant notice 2/doc seems to work fine... Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The meta-template currently produces specific documentation for each template that uses it. So the documentation you see at Template:Hiberno-English is produced by Template:English variant notice/documentation. (This is separate from the documentation for the meta-template which is at Template:English variant notice/doc.) It was the examples on this documentation which was causing the template loops. You're right, it does seem a complicated setup, but I don't think you can get this functionality without this level of complication. (Fundamentally it's the detection of template loops which is flawed, because it stops checking the moment it gets to the same template twice, even though the it's not a loop.) By the way, after your change to Template:British English the template now reads "This article uses British English ... Some terms ... differ from ... British English ..."! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, right, I get you now. Do we really need instance-specific documentation to be auto-generated? It's a neat hack, but is the complexity worth the saving? As for the problems with the removal of the text line from the BrE / AmE templates, that could be fixed by just removing the words "British, American or " from the main template code. I don't see that we absolutely need to call them out specifically. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 14:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite proud of my work with that template and think that, when practical, meta-templates should provide documentation for the templates which use them. There are quite a few other examples, for example the stub templates, the flag templates, etc. which do this. If the documentation doesn't require actual examples, then the extra level of complexity is not required. But examples are often useful, and I'm not sure what the objection to complexity is, if it makes things more useful. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, MSGJ. You have new messages at Template talk:Multiple issues.
Message added 10:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I updated the sandbox and gave an example. Would you update the template? mabdul 10:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Replied there, and watching. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Is smackbot doing automatically intrating it, or has it to be reprogrammed? mabdul 14:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

QUESTIONING CHANGES YOU MADE

Hey. I just created this page to add on to the info of an artist (singer) who is not new to the scene. Has much relevance. Her name is Soni Guzman & she goes by her first name, Soni who is from New York. Noticed her page had been deleted so I am not able to add on. Also noticed you said she was Albanian. That is definitely a different person. There is plenty room for people who may have similar names. It mentioned you had contributed to the deletion of the page. You may not be a fan or have knowledge of her work but there are plenty of fans that may find it helpful to have some information on wikipedia as there are a few other artists she has collaborated with which mention her name in there discography section on there wik page with no link to where they can find more info on her. Not sure why you deleted the page. Feel sorry for the person who put that work into it. I had seen it about a year ago. Is there a way to repost what you deleted so I may add on some new information?