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Italian or Spanish?

the borgia family was not an Italian dinasty but Spanish. They lived in Italy because of their power in the Vatican, but they were not Italians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.11.70.123 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten the intro to note that they were an Italian dynasty of Spanish origin, rather than only mentioning Italy and not Spain or only Spain and not Italy. —Lowellian (reply) 23:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed

Cesare and Juan

A quick note: Juan (Giovanni) Borgia was born two years before Cesare making him quite obviously the first born, not the second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.185.188 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In real-life, yes, but in the fictional continuity of this television series, Cesare is the older brother. —Lowellian (reply) 23:34, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

missing character

Well, I think that there should be mentioned Ezio Auditore, he's quite an substantial figure in Borgia's history. 178.36.117.46 (talk) 21:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Not sure why the nationality of this show keeps getting deleted, the source clearly states it's a Canadian-Hunagrian-Irish co-production. And WP:TVLEAD states "For television articles, the first paragraph should consist of basic information about the show, such as when the show first premiered, country, setting, genre(s), who created/developed the show, primary broadcasting station (typically the studio that produces the show), and when the show stopped airing." _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 19:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to what I was trying to get at, which is to say that television series do not have nationalities---their production team may be predominantly from one country or another but the series itself is no more Irish/Canadian/Hungarian than a shoe. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Off course television shows have a nationality, and so does a shoe, maybe a clearer comparison is beer, you have Irish beers, Belgian beers, etc. You might want to look over some other television show articles, they almost all start like: "[Show name] is a(n) [country] [genre] television series." _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 17:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps in those cases, but I would certainly disagree that merely having the director be Irish makes it an "Irish production" to any meaningful degree. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Errors and Liberties

The series changes some historical facts: The Muslim prince Djem did not die while living with the Borgias and before the French invasion; in fact, he died in the custody of the French king, having been demanded and haded over as a hostage (it was rumored, without any tangible evidence, that he died from a slow-acting poison introduced by the Borgias). The French king did not enter Florence in broad daylight, but at night and lit by torches. Sussmanbern (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need some decent sources to make that claim, the source needs to specifically make those statements about the show, otherwise it's just original research. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 17:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The TV programme errs when it makes Vanozza dei Cattanei, Pope Alexander's mistress and mother of Lucrezia, Cesare etc, of Spanish descent like her husband, and a humble courtesan. She was from a noble Italian family from Lombardy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.13.157 (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alfonso of Naples was much older and died in a monastery in Sicily.--85.180.7.33 (talk) 16:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Myth and Shakesspeare

By watching the serie, I recognized some interesting phanenomens. First why is the plot summery on the page being stopped at three? Anybody who wants to do a little plotting? And in episode four especially gleems a connection to myth theme Judith amd Shakespeare figures as Edgar from Lear and the Kings either Henry two and eight in one. Jeremy#s acting on such folios is remarkle and all is pope. What I want to say is meta marvellous...It#s not historical correct but good storytelling. What have you done to my skript, man?!--Ai-mu-mu (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Main Cast

Should the "Main Cast" section really contain historical details of events which have not yet occured on screen (Colm Feore/Giuliano della Rovere entry)? Thelemur78 (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]