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Video Games w/ Floating Island

Hi Jagged 85. I noticed that you recently added a few examples of video games with floating islands in them. Because of the frequency of that theme in video games, it was recommended here that the list be kept small with only key examples. In my opinion, the standard should be games that are essentially based around the floating island theme and that and are at least somewhat widely known. The Ys, Final Fantasy, Mana, and Chrono examples don't seem to be good fits for the type of limited list recommended. Do you think any of those really need to be included? SeiADP (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega_Master_System&action=historysubmit&diff=342052874&oldid=342035199 I think this is the best thing you've got for now. 10 million, book source, one source - so no need for a footnote. No need for "as of" either, since it's supposedly a final number. It's the best we've got for now unless consensus shifts towards 13 million again, but that's doubtful. Even just as a temporary measure, this is worthy of the SMS, Console Wars, 3rd gen, and best selling consoles articles.--SexyKick 08:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I noticed that you contributed heavily to articles like Islamic inventions in the past (those articles that say "this article used sources which are misrepresentative" kept proping up so I looked at their histories and was surprised to find a few months ago they were massively detailed) - well I checked out the old revisions for it and found that there were some good sources to back up the claims of Islamic inventions. I'm a bit surprised as to why they were deleted so much. Could you please contribute and shift some of that knowledge over to the MuslimWiki here please? ChainedButFree (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Long story short: Nearly two years ago, several Eurocentric witch-hunting users, also known as the "Jagged 85 cleanup" commitee, had issues with my "undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements", and so they launched a propaganda campaign to tar my image and present me as an editor who "persistently misused sources" by cherry-picking the worst possible edits I had ever made at Wikipedia and presenting them as if all of my 60,000+ edits were of a similarly bad quality (when in fact only less than 1% of my edits were like that). In the months leading up to that RfC, they managed to wear me down with an on-going barrage of personal attacks. Under all that stress, I eventually gave up and let them have their way. They took this as a sign that it's okay to overzealously delete everything I've ever contributed to all the Islamic-related articles, successfully managing to maintain the Eurocentric status quo that they held in high regard. Anyway, I had no idea there was any MuslimWiki. Is it a new site? Seems like an interesting project. You can feel free to look through my editing history from two or more years ago (around April 2010 and earlier) and use any of that material for the MuslimWiki project. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 23:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's disgraceful. I didn't realise the racism on Wikipedia was that bad. Could you possibly help in gathering all of this data (I don't know how many articles were butchered) but we could use them definitely somewhere. This knowledge must get out to the public somehow, especially if there are good sources out there for it. I googled your name you have an article dedicated to you on this subject on that notorious Islamophobic website WikiIslam. I'm not sure if you are aware of that. The MuslimWiki project isn't new. Its just been dead over the last few years because not that many people knew about it. There is an editor over there who's been working furiously to get it restarted. He asked for a bunch of help for it on some Islamic forums and thats when I started to look for some sources on Wikipedia. I kept finding those article banners and eventually found out about you. Are there any other editors which could help with this project? I spent a good hour or two reading up on that "rfc" and I didn't see anywhere where they actually discussed the majority of the sources just merely attacked you. I'm surprised again why they didn't take it seriously and discuss the majority of the sources they then deleted off the articles. We could use you a good editor like you over at MuslimWiki. Can I contact you by email here on Wikipedia? ChainedButFree (talk) 14:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind contributing to MuslimWiki at some time in the near future, but for now, I'll just provide a list of links to previous versions of some of the deleted/truncated articles (to the last version I edited before deletion/truncation) here:

As you can see, quite a lot of pages have been "purged". To find more such articles before they were truncated, simply look at the history pages of various Islamic-related articles (which you can find through links in the above articles) and look for the versions dating back to around April 2010 or earlier. While these earlier versions are far from perfect, they are certainly better than the current truncated (or in some cases non-existent) versions and contain a lot of useful material and sources that you can use, so feel free to add any of that to MuslimWiki. Good luck with the MuslimWiki project!

Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 18:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. That's unbelievable. I can't believe they got away with this kind of stuff. I don't understand why they would delete your ENTIRE contributions. Doesn't this go against Wikipedia policy? Can't you complain to some admins over this? I mean there's thousands of sources there. Simply deleting masses of information is just ugly. Anyways thanks for the information. The racism thats on Wikipedia should be exposed. ChainedButFree (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, and Jagged 85 has abused Wikipedia by misusing sources: essentially making stuff up that is not in the source. Please stop commenting on issues that you have not properly investigated. Johnuniq (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that Wikipedia itself suffers from an inherently large amount of systematic bias. Since most Wikipedians are obviously from an English-speaking Western background, Wikipedia will naturally be biased towards Western (or more specifically Anglo) interests by default. This systematic bias couldn't be anymore obvious than the witch-hunt that was directed at me two years ago. The Eurocentric agenda of this witch-hunting "Jagged 85 cleanup" committee is evident from their very goal of undoing "the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements." No amount of smear campaign or propaganda on their parts (i.e. the still unproven false allegations about me consistently "abusing" or "misusing sources", when they themselves have misrepresented sources plenty of times) could possibly hide their blatantly Eurocentric agenda. It's not just me either, but there have been plenty of editors who spoke out against their uncalled-for deletions of entire articles (or even just editors who simply want to improve the articles) only to end up on the receiving end of personal attacks and harassment from that very same self-righteous witch-hunting committee. The amount of bigotry and harassment from these few overzealous editors is what's holding back those Islamic-related articles from ever improving beyond the shambled stubs they've turned them into. Jagged 85 (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No worries Jagged. I'm not surprised given the racist history of Whites in the past that this stuff might happen. It happened to Africans and what a disgrace that was. Thanks for pointing out those articles once again. I've copied and saved many of them and I'll investigate the sources for them. They seem legitimate. Most of the internet sources back up what you've written, if someone were to just randomly browse those they'd find that Islamic invention stuff to be true (its funny how only a few editors ganged up together when your articles were left there for months and years surely someone would have noticed the errors you'd made in less than a week. I just don't believe the Jagged 85 committee - you should report them, you can't just mass delete contributions based on a few errors and what about other editors contributions?). Given the nature of Islamophobia in White countries today its natural that they would attempt to destroy information or hide it as they did to Jewish contributions a few decades ago. Its just sad that this behaviour is still prevalent today. Also with respect to Eurocentracism yes I agree, many inventions of civilisations were passed off as "White" during colonialism when a lot of this knowledge was stolen (The BBC series on Islamic Science proved this to be true especially with respect to the Renaissance). Also are there other editors that I may contact that can help with salvaging this project? ChainedButFree (talk) 01:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you have reason to believe that a group of editors is destroying or hiding information, please report it at WP:ANI because that would be a very serious problem if true. Conversely, you should retract the comments you have made above if reading WP:Jagged 85 cleanup changes your opinion. Johnuniq (talk) 02:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many instances of complete misrepresentation were explicitly documented (see for example Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jagged_85/Evidence). Although I can't find the quote right now, I distinctly recall that Jagged 85 said himself that he was doing edits extremely quickly, which is not surprising given the 60,000 or so edits, many with complex journal references as sources. He said himself that he was getting partial quotes through the internet rather than reading the sources carefully before using them. Finally, Jagged 85 received numerous notifications of the problems from various editors, and did not respond promptly (in some cases not responding at all). He also didn't help to clean up the problems. II | (t - c) 06:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ChainedButFree, I appreciate the sentiments, but I think you're better off spending your time contributing to the MuslimWiki project rather than trying to undo the Eurocentric systematic bias that exists here on Wikipedia (mainly when it comes to articles dealing with serious subjects like history, politics, religion, and science). I've already gotten used to the false allegations, rumours, propaganda, slander, witch-hunting, and what not, but that's sometimes the price you have to pay when you start becoming too influential for your own good. When you have over 60,000 contributions, much of it towards topics that very few Wikipedians ever pay attention to, you're bound to create enemies, not to mention the sheer volume of contributions makes it easy for them to cherry-pick holes in them and use that against you. Anyway, it's nice to know that an alternative MuslimWiki exists to document the kind of stuff that gets systematically erased and overzealously deleted here on Wikipedia. I'll try make contributions to the MuslimWiki project some time in the near future, but for now, I wish you the best of luck with the MuslimWiki project. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah no problem Jagged. You're work wasn't in vain. But just to be doubly sure I've been cross referencing everything you wrote. Anyone can tell that that rfc was about one thing only, mass deleting information by cherry picking. The astonishing thing is they didn't even check every single source and that is what is particularly disturbing. That is how I know you're in the right. Most of the books are online, and most of the journals are online too that give credit to Muslim civilisation for these things. To mass delete not only YOUR contributions would have been intolerable without checking facts but to mass delete OTHERS contributions is where it got me. Oh and I wasn't really trying to fight anything off here on Wikipedia, I just need a place for this knowledge to exist somewhere at the moment where it can be kept safe from zealots. Keep your chin up Jagged. Obviously I can't go up against systematic racists and racism (I have a hunch that that committee, at least one of the members belonged to that WikiIslam website that just paints Muslims so horribly and badly otherwise it wouldn't even be there). I can't stand racism Whites really need to sort out this ugly trait they have between themselves. I mean with parts of the Muslim world rising economically and former enslaved colonies getting much stronger (China, India, Malaysia and Indonesia) it won't be long before Whites are made the scapegoats. And who will care? No one that's for sure. They're just Whites. And its just racism at the end of the day. I mean they do have a long history of it. And yeah, join the project. That's what I'm going to be doing soon. I'll see you there. Until then take care. ChainedButFree (talk) 15:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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this is a query as to the nature of the edit 01:35, 25 March 2010‎ Jagged 85 . (15,184 bytes) (+999)‎ . . (added references) to Infinity (philosophy), this is being queried as the material was in the first instance added by User : Ooga131booga 15:18, 24 June 2007‎ , (as this means the referencing isn't according to the content)

and also that an additional article has been created Infinity (Oriental thought) that requires clarification as to this referencing please Drift chambers (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

just wanting to know how the references align to the content, as some of the Ooga131booga content has now been cut from the first article, and this would therefore be required to be adjusted to reflect this ( by changes to the reference list ) Drift chambers (talk) 09:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 sales

You could use VGChartz to source the 5.19M sales until a more reliable source is found? :) Salvidrim! 12:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VG/RS lists VGChartz as an unreliable source, so I don't really think that's such a good idea. Do you know of any alternative sources? Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 13:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried looking to no avail; I know VGChartz is not considered reliable. Salvidrim! 14:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow, thanks. I really appreciate it! Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Central Asian Cinema

Hi! A new section entitled 'Central Asian Cinema' needs to be added to the box in the article Cinema of Asia. I have wrote extensively about the Cinema of Uzbekistan which is part of Central Asian cinema. I can't add a section myself because a template is used in the article. Can you help out? Nataev (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done! I've just added Central Asia to Template:Asian cinema along with a few other changes. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you, 67.80.64.128. I really appreciate it. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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