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June 15

lamination in transformer core

why is the core of transformer laminated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.175.25 (talk) 02:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)       A frebbie - Eddy currents, but see below.  :- ) Don 13:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Huon (talk) 02:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Healthy Back Store

Just wondering how I can make this work - I reviewed other retailers "non-advertisement" wikipedia pages and they seem very similar. Looking at Relax the Back or Brookstones or Tempur-Pedic. If you have suggestions on what the Healthy Back Store page is doing wrong it would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.100.118 (talk) 14:49, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Two issues: Firstly, your draft relies heavily on primary sources. The lead, the "product line" and the "resources" sections don't have any reliable secondary sources at all. Content should not be based on primary sources.

Secondly, the tone is anything but encyclopedic. The retailer "provides high end comfort solutions and ergonomic focused products"? That's marketingspeak. The founder's personal history of back problems, while indeed supported by a secondary source, is nevertheless off-topic for an article on the retailer and should be significantly shortened. These are just two examples - there are lengthy passages of laudatory text unsupported by secondary sources.

I haven't looked at the other articles you mention, but while other problematic articles exist, that's no reason to create more. Huon (talk) 15:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Airborne Tactical Advantage Company

Hello,

I submitted a new article for creation entitled "Airborne Tactical Advantage Company", and I would like to know what else I should do to get my article released. The article is not for advertising and I do not work for ATAC. Thank you.

ConceptJet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Concept Jet (talk • contribs) 16:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

A nicely written start. Only one significant problem that I can see - references to websites must include a link to the web page in the reference itself. Don't list them separately under External links. Roger (talk) 17:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

"University of California Center for Hydrologic Modeling" Submission

Hello,

I recently submitted an article for the Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/University of California Center for Hydrologic Modeling (UCCHM) and it was rejected by an editor based on "lack of reliable sources." The submission has 6 verifiable sources, so I don't understand this reasoning.

Also, a similar article on the "University of California Humanities Research Institute" (a comparable institution at the University of California, Irvine) has only 2 sources.

Can someone explain to me why my article was rejected and what I can do to fix it?

Thank you, Callie

Cbrazil (talk) 17:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

As the reviewer's comment said, four of those references are primary sources - the center's own website or those of other departments within the University of California, Irvine. Furthermore, most of your references do not even mention the UCCHM. Notability requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources - maybe there are newspaper articles discussing the center?

Regarding the University of California Humanities Research Institute: Other articles with insufficient sources exist, but that's no reason to create more. Huon (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lala Hanumant Sahai

Hellow to everybody! I submitted the article in the name of Lala Hanumant Sahai - A revolutionary of Chandni Chowk who died unknown and unnoticed. Kindly help me to make it better. Whether only one web citation would be sufficient to cover the reliable source or not. Although I have given some other sources from Hindi books also. Kindly guide me properly whether I can quote the relevent contents in English (manually translated by myself) or not. Thanks in anticipation if any body help me. Krantmlverma (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

First of all, significant parts of the draft are currently copied verbatim from the The Hindu article. That is a copyright violation; those parts will have to be rewritten. I have my doubts about the sufficiency of that one web citation, but since there's no requirement for sources to be available online and you do have other sources, you don't need to rely exclusively on that one. Admittedly I have my doubts about some of the other sources, too. For example, Manmath Nath Gupta was not a historian, political scientist or other academian, and some of his books are fictional, so much would depend on the nature of his book used as a reference. With other books I had trouble to find them at all.

On the matter of translating sources, WP:NOENG says: "When quoting a source in a different language, provide the original text and an English translation, either in the body of the article or in a footnote." In this case, I'd suggest adding your translations to the footnotes. Huon (talk) 18:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hellow! As per your advice I have this day edited the full article and resubmitted the same for reviewal. So far as translating of WP:NOENG sources are concerned, kindly guide me how to proceed further. Thanks Krantmlverma (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

My advice would be to provide short, directly relevant excerpts of the Hindi sources and English translations of those excerpts in the footnotes. Huon (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Hellow Mr.Huon! As per your proper guidence provided to me I have this day incorporated the required footnotes in the abovementioned article. I hope you would be kind enough to review the captioned page recently created by me. With regards,Krantmlverma (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

June 16

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jose La Luz

Hi there. I was trying to delete an old version of my article by going section by section and deleting, and it seems I deleted my references although it still indicates the number of each reference in the body of the article. How can I recover this??! I made a mistake...please help. Thank you! Vesperms (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

The problem was caused by the old article's references section which remained. Two {{reflist}} templates interfere with each other, especially when the first comes before the actual references. I have fixed that, recovered some references that had gotten lost due to an overzealous bot, and did some copyediting in the process.

I noticed that large parts of the article are not supported by references, especially La Luz' early life and education. If secondary sources for those sections cannot be found, they'd have to be shortened or removed.

I also noticed that the draft at times isn't neutral in its language and uses peacock terms. For example, take this sentence:

La Luz was highly inspired by Rexford Tugwell’s overall legacy as well as his book, The Stricken Land: A Story of Puerto Rico, which awakened his passion for progressive thinking and the pursuit working on behalf of the needy as opposed to the greedy.

Firstly, the reference is Tugwell's book, which won't tell us anything about La Luz; in particular, it does not support this sentence. Secondly, I don't think anybody claims to "work on behalf of the greedy"... I removed several other examples, but I'd strongly advise checking the draft for such promotional language. Huon (talk) 02:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

hello

how long will it take to approve my article please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam allen77 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Your draft was declined on May 24. You have been notified on your talk page. Getting the article approved would be rather difficult if not impossible: It is about a product that doesn't yet exist (and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball), you probably have a conflict of interest, and there were no reliable sources to establish the subject's notability. Huon (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

June 17

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abraham Katzir

Dear Madam/Sir Prof. Katzir is the head of the Applied Physics Group at Tel Aviv Univestiy in Israel Members of our group are trying to include Prof. Abraham Katzir in Wikipedia. Prof. Katzir suprevised the work of roughly 80 MSc and PhD students, who publised close to 450 scientific papers. He was a member of the board of international organizations, including SPIE and the International Comission on Optics (ICO). He organized and chaired many international symposia and conferences in the USA and Europe. He is the President of the Israel Lasers and Electro Optics Society. Yet, the reviewer of our contribution mentions that we did not supply RELIABLE sources. What sources would you need? Sincerely Jenia Shulzinger Arshulz (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

We need reliable secondary sources, sources written by others about Katzir, not written by himself or organizations he's affiliated with. These might be scientific articles discussing Katzir's work, or maybe newspaper coverage. Furthermore, you should use inline citations and footnotes so our readers can verify which source supports which part of the article. Huon (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Why hasn't my article submitted?

I have press submit on my article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jill Berelowitz, but it has not been submitted fore view. Do you know why this is?

LaurenAlexanderLaurenAlexander (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

It has been submitted already. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 18:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Your reference tags were mismatched. You need an "opening" and a "closing" tag to enclose a reference, like this: <ref>Text in footnote</ref> Because you didn't have closing tags, parts of your article, including the submission template, were misinterpreted as part of a footnote, and thus disregarded. I fixed that and submitted the article.

Also, your footnotes should be part of the article itself, with each footnote next to the part of the article it's supporting. If you just bundle them all at the end, our readers will find it difficult to verify which footnote supports which statement. Huon (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

June 18

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Larry Miller Drinking Society

I do not understand how the referenced source is not "reliable". it is the page with instructions on how to join the organization described in the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.27.72 (talk) 03:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

It is not only a primary source, the society's own homepage, it is some guy's personal website and does not come with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Basically, Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Huon (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

people search-birth mom

is there a anita wegner, living in spring hill fl.??

tom parsons

elkhart, in.---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.141.147.220 (talk) 04:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

If there is, she's extremely unlikely to read this page, which is about questions to the Articles for creation process. Have you tried taking out a classified ad in the local newspaper? Huon (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael Lai

Hi there May I know if the above article is being reviewed?

MichaelEvo (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)EvoMichaelMichaelEvo (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

It will be reviewed soon. As long as there is a "review waiting" message and it's categorized as "Pending AfC submissions" (the very last line), it's awaiting review. There is a very large backlog; please be patient.

But in its current form it's likely to be declined because it reads like a hagiography and the content is not supported by reliable secondary sources - one of its two references does not even mention Lai, and the other is a primary source, the website of a company he works for. Some of the YouTube videos may actually be secondary sources, but those I checked didn't really tell us anything about Lai but rather showed him as a de facto spokesperson and covered his company, not himself. And the article's content should be based on reliable secondary sources which cover Lai to a significant extent; showing that they exist is not enough. Huon (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dubahiyan

I have written this article similar to nereby area i.e. Satna (district place) and other villages. Then why those articles are not essay and this article is. As far as source is concerned, we have, those in Hindi or Bagheli (India's Local Language) in hardbound Book form. So should I scan them and submit it. Going forward, we will have to include such villages in Wiki for comprehensive knowledge data base.

Please clarify. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.93.67.98 (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

If you have sources, please add them to the article. While scanning the books may help, it's not necessary as long as you provide bibliographical information sufficient to identify the works. Per WP:NOENG, you should provide translations of the relevant parts of non-English sources. The sources currently given do not mention the village at all.

The historical information should be comparatively easy to source, but right now the discussion of rulers of a princely state sounds rather off-topic for a village article, and unless sources explicitly connect those rulers to the village, it should be removed.

And while there are many other badly sourced articles on Indian villages, that's no reason to create more. Huon (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Barbara Speake Stage School

Hi there, this is my first time of preparing a web page for wikipedia. It has been declined due to no refernces. All of the points can 1 be verified on wikipedia, but I can work out how to attach the link.

The page is Barbara speake Stage School.

I would appreciate your help, as I really want to get this page out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraspeake (talk • contribs) 09:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the claim that "The school also has a very successful Part Time School" can be verified on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia does not consider itself a reliable source anyway. Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources - not just primary sources such as the school's website - is necessary to establish its notability. Newspaper coverage might be the easiest to find. But it's not enough to just show that such sources exist - the article's content should be based on them. You might also want to have a look at our guideline on conflicts of interest; writing articles on organizations you are affiliated with is discouraged.

External links are created by square brackets: Code like [http://en.wikipedia.org/ this] will look like this. References should be added directly to the statements they are relevant to, via footnotes.

As an aside, Links to other Wikipedia articles (helpful, though not acceptable as references) are produced by slightly different code, namely by double square brackets: In order to link to our stage school article, you'd have to use code like this: [[stage school]]. Huon (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/22 Foot Drop

gvdgvdcÀ ĎđÈÜhf gdr.ljm ghfd hgvbddđž ggf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.210.70 (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

What exactly do you need help with? Huon (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Health hazards and exposure control of wood dust

I have been drafting a new article, which is still pending review for acceptance. Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Health_hazards_and_exposure_control_of_wood_dust

I now think I should reduce the article name to just "Wood dust". Can I do that, and if so, how? Stringybark (talk) 13:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has an article on sawdust; wood dust currently redirects thereto. How about adding your information to the existing article? If you believe wood dust is sufficiently different from sawdust that we're better off with a separate article, my suggestion would be to leave a comment about your proposed name at the very top of the draft, to add a level-1 headline, and to bold the proposed name in the draft's first line of text, like this:

Please name this article "wood dust".
= Wood dust =
'''Wood dust''' is formed as a waste product of [[woodworking]] operations [...]

That should be abundantly clear. (Bolding the article's name in the first line is suggested by the manual of style in any case.) Huon (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Huon. You are correct, Wood dust currently redirects to sawdust. As Wood dust is a term with currency in scientific and professional fields, and a statutory technical meaning in many legislatures, it is important that it is not subsumed by the colloquial expression "saw dust" which has predominantly cultural and folk connotations. How then to stop the redirect to sawdust, if I follow your steps to an article rename?Stringybark (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The article will simply replace the current redirect when it is moved to mainspace. Roger (talk) 15:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Distant Village Inc.

The article that I am trying to submit had reliable independent third party sources but it is not being allowed because of the noteworthiness?

The references are all reliable third party sources such as books, newspapers, media organizations that have all discussed the history of Distant Village, Inc. as one of the first (historical) organizations to use Fair Trade and environmental friendly packaging.

Please let me know what other changes needed to be made such as some of the content being too advertorial sounding?

Thanks,

Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sustainablescottie (talk • contribs) 14:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The ABC local news piece definitely is a reliable secondary source. The award websites are primary sources, and one of them does not even mention Distant Village. The books may be reliable (one of them certainly seems so, I couldn't find anything about the other), but you should clarify what exactly your reference is. At a first glance, I believed you tried to use the publishers' websites as references, not the books themselves. The footnote should include information such as the name of the author, the book's title, and the relevant page numbers so our readers won't have to read an entire 300+ page book. I'd also say that if you link somewhere, Google Books (which has a preview of one of the books, though the other is unknow) is more helpful than the publisher. There's a template for book references, {{cite book}}, which makes adding all relevant information about the book easy and formats the reference, but using that is not required if you don't want to bother (though it does look neat).

As an aside, major parts of your draft appear unsupported by the given references. For example, I believe Jedlička's book does discuss Distant Village's raw materials and production procedures in some detail (p. 69), but it's not cited to that effect. Huon (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

william v. baker

who is he former rev can head — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.227.0.86 (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Carleton University provides a short biography of Baker. If you want to request an article about him, please use Wikipedia:Requested articles. For general questions about Baker, try the reference desk. Huon (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Casa Environnement - دار البيئة

Article draft in Arabic

logo Casa environnement جمعيات الدار البيضاء للبيئة والتنمية المستدامة Réseau des Associations de Casablanca pour l’Environnement et le Développement Durable Casa Environnement - دار البيئة الأهداف • الإهتمام بالمجال البيئي والمحافظة عليه. • العمل من أجل بيئة سليمة تضمن حاجات وحقوق الأجيال المقبلة. • تفعيل بنود الميثاق الوطني للبيئة والتنمية المستدامة. • الدفاع عن حماية وصيانة الحدائق التي تشكل بعضا من معالم المدينة بالمواصفات الإيكولوجية، مثل (حديقة الحيوانات بعين السبع – حديقة السندباد – حديقة ياسمينة ....). • المساهمة في التنمية المستدامة وفي تحقيق العدالة الاجتماعية و الحفاظ على البيئة كحق للأجيال القادمة. • ترسيخ مبادئ وقيم المواطنة . • المساهمة في تعزيز مكانة البيئة في المناهج التعليمية. • تحفيز كل الفاعلين الاجتماعيين و الاقتصاديين ( السلطات- الجماعات المحلية - المؤسسات – الشركات والمقاولات...) للمساهمة في الأنشطة الجمعوية التي تهتم بالبيئة. • العمل على تقوية قدرات الفاعلين الجمعويين. في مجال صياغة المشاريع. والمرافعة والتواصل و التدبير الإداري و المالي وتمثين روابط التعاون والتنسيق فيما بينها. • المساهمة في التنمية المستدامة المحلية من خلال الحفاظ على الموارد الطبيعية وحمايتها من الإتلاف والضياع والمساهمة في التربية البيئية. • النهوض بالمساواة وإشاعة ثقافة النوع كأساس للتنمية المستدامة. • تأطير الشباب و توعيته للإنخراط في تفعيل الثقافة البيئية و المساهمة في صيانة رونق المدينة. • المطالبة بتفعيل القوانين في حق الأشخاص و الأطراف المسؤولة عن تدمير البيئة وتلويثها. • إعداد وثيقة الحكامة الجيدة للبيئة. • إستفادة شبكة جمعيات البيئة من انفتاح الجامعة على المحيط و توظيف أبحاثها العلمية ونتائج دراساتها المختبرية في المجال البيئي. • يمكن ل""دار البيئة"، " أن تصبح عضوا في أي شبكة أو نسيج جمعوي جهوي، وطني أو دولي يتماشى مع أهدافها وخاصة على الصعيد المغاربي والمتوسطي. • العمل مع الأندية البيئية داخل المؤسسات التعليمية و دور الشباب. الوسائل • القيام بأنشطة علمية وحملات تحسيسية لإبراز أهمية المحيط الايكولوجي والمساهمة في صيانته. • تنظيم ورشات ودورات تكوينية، ندوات علمية وإشعاعية، تظاهرات بيئية و ثقافية و فنية ورحلات سياحية بيئية. • التعاون وتبادل الخبرات مع جمعيات مماثلة وطنية و دولية. • التربية على الابداع والتنمية المستدامة. • القيام بأوراش عمل ميدانية في مجال المحافظة على البيئة ومحاربة التلوث. • نشر التوعية الصحية والقيام بالحملات الطبية. • التعاون مع الجمعيات المنضوية داخل الشبكة من أجل تنفيذ مختلف البرامج المسطرة وصياغة المشاريع والبحث عن تمويلها. • التنسيق مع الجهات المنتخبة وكل الجهات التي بإمكانها التعاون مع "دار البيئة" على تحقيق أهدافها. واقناع الشركات الصناعية والمقاولات المواطنة للإنخراط في صيانة ورعاية المناطق الخضراء. • إحداث بنك للمعلومات حول وثائق وأعمال الشبكة والجمعيات المشكلة لها. • إصدار جريدة خاصة بالبيئة و التنمية المستدامة مع استعمال وسائل الإعلام السمعية البصرية، وتوظيف تكنلوجية المعلوميات. إتصال Pr. Saïd Sebti, GSM : 06 61 46 48 19 Fax : 05 22 70 46 75 E-Mail : casaenvironnement@yahoo.fr Facebook : Réseau Environnement du Grand Casablanca Faculté des Sciences Ben M’sik, BP 7955, Sidi Othman, 20702 Casablanca, Maroc. www.casaenvironnement.ma

Systemhfd (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia; we require article drafts to be in English, not in Arabic or French. Furthermore, you currently don't seem to have reliable secondary sources to establish Casa Environnement's notability. The facebook page, for example, is a primary source. Also, this is technically the wrong page to submit a draft; please use the Article wizard. Huon (talk) 16:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/JD Miller

I do not understand how to get my article published ... please help

SamuelLynne (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, you need to show where you obtained the information, by listing your sources, so other people can verify it is true. But that is only part of the problem - you will also need to demonstrate that Miller is widely known and suitable for an encyclopedia article - see Wikipedia's 'golden rule'. Alternatively you may be able to prove he meets the 'notability' requirements of WP:ARTIST. Find some independent, reliable sources about Miller, for example newspaper articles, magazines or books. Sionk (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Los Angeles Stock Exchange

where did my article go? Los Angeles Stock Exchange Building

Ravenroad (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)Joel

Anything written between <!-- and --> tags does not appear. I've removed the tags and reviewed your article. Sionk (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Zarema

Hello,

I'm creating an article for a singer. This is my first time. I'm a bit confused. I submitted the article but it doesn't look like a normal WIKI page.

Help?

Thank you

Gleb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkaminer (talk • contribs) 19:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you think isn't "normal": The large "Article not submitted for review" and "review waiting" messages will be removed when the draft is accepted (the former is outdated anyway - the draft is submitted for review), and minor style edits such as bolding Zarema's name in the first line can also be performed later.

The main problem is with the references. Firstly, you should use inline citations and footnotes so our readers can verify which source supports which part of the article. Secondly, most of the references are not reliable sources or do not provide significant coverage; many are just image galleries or music videos. The best is the APA article about her concert in Baku, though we should link directly to the APA version and not the one hosted by the Azerbaijani embassy in Riad. On the other hand, the b-metro article may also be a reliable source, but it doesn't even mention Zarema and thus is useless in an article on her. More news coverage of Zarema would be very helpful: The article's content should be based on reliable secondary sources.

You might also find want to look at Help:Link; that page explains how to add not just external links (you already have those), but also links to other Wikipedia articles.

If this isn't helpful enough, please be a little more specific in your question. Huon (talk) 23:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

June 19

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Minneapplesauce

This note was left as the reason for the Minneapplesauce wiki not being published.

"Comment: The source from the Minnestoa Daily is good, but it's all I can find, and the article should include more than one reliable source. — The Earwig (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)"

My understanding is that I do have multiple sources due to the language here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFSOURCE

There is multiple sources for this wiki if the site itself is counted. Couldn't the site be considered a valid source for 1) a statement on the source of content on the site, and 2) a statement on the medium of content? I don't believe either of these come across as advertisements for the site, they simply state the policies in a clearer fashion than outside sources spell out.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.50.2 (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

True, primary sources can be used with care to verify certain facts. But you also need to prove that Minneapplesauce is widely known and therefore suitable for an encyclopedia - for that, you need to show independent, reliable coverage about the subject, for example news articles and books. Sionk (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Joint Center for Artificial Photosynthesis

This note was left as the reason for the Joint Center for Artificial Photosynthesis article not being published.

"Comment: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

I'm rather confused about this because the references that I have include one reference from the United States Department of Energy, one reference from the Caltech official news site and one reference from the University of California at Berkeley official news site! --Superwizard (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

To me those all look like primary sources: The DoE reporting on its own Innovation Hub and UC Berkely reporting on the exploits of its own professor. CalTech is also a primary source (it's associated with JCAP, and their article basically says, "Hey look! We got mentioned by Obama!"), and I doubt CalTech's "Marketing & Communications" division shares their scientists' reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, but it does not mention JCAP at all, so it's rather irrelevant anyway. To establish notability, a topic must have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, sources not affiliated with the subject. Maybe there has been some independent newspaper coverage of JCAP? Huon (talk) 03:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I added several newpaper articles that talk about JCAP and so hopefully that should be go through this time!--Superwizard (talk) 04:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Help

Please redirect Template:You have new messages (last change) to Template:Usermessage. 117.227.4.212 (talk) 10:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

That seems an unlikely search term for the template, which should not be in common use anyway. Huon (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Junq and ipod

how do i change the title of the article? (to JUNQ and IPOD) also, how long will it take till you decide if to publish the article? thanks! Proteinfolder (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I expect that when the submission is accepted, the accepting editor will move the article to the correctly capitalized title. Should a mistake occur at that time, you can request the page to be moved to the correct title.

The oldest articles currently awaiting review were submitted on June 8. Thus, it will probably take a few more days until your submission gets reviewed. Please be patient. Huon (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of User:Pasovereign/Bowtegrity

I am inquiring about the process of adding figures to show the Bowtegrity in the article. Are there step by step instructions available? Thanks, Paul A. Sovereign — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pasovereign (talk • contribs) 14:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but there are many steps. It depends primarily on who owns the copyright. You can start here: WP:IMAGES. If you need more information, or help, check back here.  :- ) Don 21:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hope International

Hello!

I am in need of some guidance for my article titled Hope International. I have submitted the article three times, received good feedback, and have made many changes. Since my last submission I've had the article reviewed by several proof readers and do not feel that the article is biased. Additionally, I have compared it to several other articles written on organizations (FINCA, IJM, Accion International, Grameen Bank, Special Olympics, Bank of America, etc.) and feel it is quite comparable to them.

After reading my article could you please provide me with specific examples of bias so that I can change them? When I read through I am no longer able to find biased language or statements. The majority of my sources are separate from the subject (some info had to be pulled from Hope as there is no other way to obtain info). When I compared my article to others, similar info had also been pulled directly from the source as sometimes there just aren't other options. I'd love any other suggestions for improvement as well.

Thanks so much for your help!

RunLeahrun (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)RunLeahRun

I have read over your article very quickly. First thing is to read: WP:WORDS. Examples directly from your article that need to go, IMHO, are:

focus of alleviating physical and spiritual poverty through microenterprise development.

cycles of physical and spiritual poverty

intentional witness for Christ, to utilize savings services and to serve the very poor in remote locations

simultaneously promote economic development

Hope works with individuals of all faiths though Biblical principles lay the foundation for the entirety of Hope’s operations

The aforementioned principles are applied through regular staff devotion and prayer, the provision of bibles to clients, the verbal sharing of the gospel, client evaluation of services, partnership with local churches and ministries and the employment of staff to lead the various spiritual integration activities within each of Hope’s programs.

This is all advertising hype. Make it go away.   :- ) Don 22:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Matthew 25: Ministries

Hello,

I recently submitted my article on Matthew 25: Ministries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Matthew_25:_Ministries) for review and it was decline on two different occasions. I was wondering if you could possibly tell me in what places I need to change it so I can fix it and resubmit it. I am new to Wikipedia and was wondering if you could give me some tips on how to make my article ready for submission. I tried to make the changes I thought were needed from the first submission but they were not enough. Any help you are able to give would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

Joodia (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)Joodia

You have listed 3 citations that basically provide facts and figures on your organization. We need citations that support the assertions in the article. If you sent 500 zillion boxes of cereal somewhere, then give a citation proving that it really happened. Not everything needs a citation in an article about an organization, but we need some things to show that theses number are not just made up in somebody's daydream. If you responded to a disaster, there must be an article about it somewhere.

 :- ) Don 22:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability

I am unsure why this article has been rejected.

MegEC (talk) 16:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)Megan

The citations provided are not independent of the subject, or they are promotional of the subject. We want to see some third party, totally unrelated to the subject(not one of the actors or directors) say, "This is wonderful" or "This really sucks". Either will make it notable, but just having a listing that it is showing somewhere does not make it notable, it just proves that it exists.  :- ) Don 22:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

June 20

Sughra Rababi

How do I add images to the article page 'Sughra Rababi' I have created and also change its appearance. Thanks, Zeba Vanek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeba Vanek (talk • contribs) 02:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Technically this help desk is only for questions about the article creation process; once your article has been vreated, you should ask the general help desk instead. Some help on images is available at Help:Images, but since the article is rather short, I don't think it needs more than the one image it currently has. As an aside, you should use inline citations and footnotes so our readers can easily verify which reference supports which of the article's statements. Huon (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carla Olson

huh? what couldn't be confirmed? you have got to be kidding... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.220.120 (talk) 06:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The sources provided are not reliable. "Personal knowledge", for example, cannot be the basis of Wikipedia content; we require published sources independent of the subject, sources known for fact-checking and accuracy. If no such sources can be found, Olson probably is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Huon (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

help me

i cant publish the article that i want to publish. i have given many reference.. but it is not publish . can any one help me. what should i do. i cant figure out the problem... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmi.bd (talk • contribs) 07:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I've replied in detail at Talk:National Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedic Rehabilitation. Huon (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

pls help

The article National Institute of Traumatology & Orthopedic Rehabilitation has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

   no evidence of notability

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Your submission at Articles for creation ==

Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, you can find it at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/National Institute of Traumatology & Orthopedic Rehabilitation (NITOR).
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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Nouniquenames (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

plz help how can i make my article succeed.... its about a hospital of bangladesh

See Talk:National Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedic Rehabilitation. Huon (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of User:Acharya vikas kaushik ji/Acharya VIKAS KAUSHIK JI

Dear Helper,hope u will like my new article.

<ACHARYA> 20:23, 19 June 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+160)‎ . . User:Acharya vikas kaushik ji/Acharya VIKAS KAUSHIK JI ‎ (→‎Request review at WP:AFC: new section) I wish to know the status rgdg publication of my article in wikipedia pl peruse my article. thx (Acharya vikas kaushik ji (talk) 09:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC))

There are some serious issues with your draft. The references provided are primary sources, but Wikipedia content should be based on reliable secondary sources, sources independent of the article's subject and known for fact-checking and accuracy. Such secondary sources are necessary to establish Vikas Kaushik Ji's notability. Furthermore, you should use inline citations and footnotes so our readers can easily verify which reference supports which part of the article. Also, the article currently reads like a hagiography; sentences such as "Little did the family know that, one day, Vikas Kaushikwould join the awesome ranks of men of letters and men of parts,and create history that one could write about." are hardly appropriate in tone.

You might also want ot read our guideline on conflicts of interst. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Huon (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of JaneMacC

It says at the top of my article that it has not been submitted for review - but it says at the bottom that it has.

I don't mind waiting - just want to be sure that I have managed to submit it - how can I tell?

Best wishes Sinead JaneMacC (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Jane, do you mind providing an updated link to your page? The link that you provided leads to a page that is not yet created or in the works even, and I searched for your page without the (practice) following it and could not find that either. I would love to help if I could find your page, and I remember from creating my own page that it does appear odd at first with both tags on your page but the cleanup bot will remove the tag marking your page as unsubmitted after a while.

As a side note, I apologize to Acharya vikas kaushik ji for the notifications you may receive that do not regard your question. In the future, Jane, please submit your questions as your own thread on this page and not as a part of another user's thread. I have given this its own title and hopefully that should solve this issue

Patrick Bradshaw (talk) 14:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of User:Acharya vikas kaushik ji/Acharya VIKAS KAUSHIK JI

Dear Helper, thanks a lot for your feedback.

i have adhered to your request for secondary reference checks and submitted 5 case studies and couple of references which will facilitate in authenticating Acharyajis noteworthy status.

I would be very grateful to you if the same is gladly accepted by you for WIKIPEDIA at the earliest. Kindly acknowledge.

warm regards,

(Acharya vikas kaushik ji (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC))

I'm sorry, but those case studies are not reliable sources. The individuals writing them are not recognized experts on astrology or health remedies. The case studies have apparently been written by invitation, which would in my opinion make them primary sources, not secondary sources. They have not been published with a reputable publisher, making them either self-published or original research, and neither is acceptable on Wikipedia (there are some exceptions for self-published sources if the author is a recognized expert on the subject and has previously had other texts published with a reputable publisher, but those do not apply here). We cannot expect our readers to verify our articles' contents by mailing random people for confirmation, our readers cannot confirm to whom the given gmail addresses belong anyway, and the case studies do not support the draft's content in the first place.

My suggestion would be to look for newspaper articles on Kaushik. Huon (talk) 14:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Helper / Huon : Hi ! Thanks for your feedback, which I appreciate. Yes, your contention, that, the case studies and the sources etc., mentioned do not appear to be authentic apparently, but it is, in reality, just otherwise. The case studies and sources are all authentic, and open to scrutiny and investigation of any sort and at any-point-in-time by any agency anywhere, whatsoever. All of us, globally, have cellphones and individual email accounts, and these are vital for connectivity. The sources, who have been cited and quoted, have given their respective experiential accounts and their insights with assertion. You will be, glad to know, in all certainty, that, immensely reputed media channels including some of the top newspapers and television channels in India have made significant and positive mention, categorically, about Acharya Vikas Kaushik and of his profile , personality, and contributions in the realm of Astrology, Vaastu, Wellness, Yoga, and Astro-Health-Remedies, and all this has been done pursuant to their own inquests.

There is explicit and substantial mention of such media coverage in Acharya Vikas Kaushik’s website : www.astroacharya.com , and you may kindly have a look at it too. You will appreciate that, the weblinks of such coverage have a limited shelf life, but the scanned versions are easily available and accessible on the aforesaid website, and so are the video-Galleries. He has also travelled overseas to the Middle East and Mauritus. Acharya Vikas Kaushik is an exemplary protagonist of the schools-of-thought which are described in the article for publication in Wikipedia. In any dispassionate reckoning, his coverage in a reputed and a non-pareil powerhouse like Wikipedia is warranted, as it will invariably benefit enormous people in more ways than one. He is a precursor of a movement which he represents and which is diametrically different and opposed to occult, with which it may have been confused. May I earnestly request you to reconsider and to do the needful to have him suitably covered in Wikipedia, and, of course, only after having done the assessment and any verification by visiting his aforesaid website and perusing the authoritative media coverage or contacting the recepients of his gracious services which have brought an absolute transformation . I am also including the cell numbers of some references with whom you would like to checkout . Will fervidly look forward to your kind and positive response asap, please .

MR NEERAJ JAIN +91 9871706399 jainastrovaastu@gmail.com

MR ASHISH SRIVASTAVA +91 9971071104 forashishsrivastava@gmail.com

(Acharya vikas kaushik ji (talk) 06:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC))

As I explained above in some detail, it does not matter for Wikipedia whether the "case studies" are real or fake. Wikipedia requires its sources to be published by reputable publishers, and if they are not, verifiying that they are indeed real places an undue burden on our readers (and if only a thousand readers per day were to mail those case studies' authors for confirmation, it would place an undue burden on them, too). The media coverage mentioned on Kaushik's website may serve as reliable secondary sources, but then we should use those media reports directly, with enough bibliographical information such as the newspaper, the publication date and, if possible, the author. Since those sources are non-English, per WP:NOENG we'd have to provide an English translation of the relevant parts. And most importantly, the Wikipedia article should be based on such news coverage; it's not enough to point out that it exists. For each possibly contentious statement of the article (such as the claim that Kaushik "is a much-sought-after astro and spritual guide to innumerable people both, in India and overseas" - as an aside, I doubt the people are truly innumerable), we should provide a footnote with a reliable secondary source explicitly confirming that statement. Huon (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Steve Schlanger

Changes have been made to this submission but every time I hit "Save", it immediately takes me back to the original page that says the submission was declined. What should I do?

Also, everything includes references that mention Schlanger and supports the claims that he has done or is doing the things that are listed in the article. Don't know what additional info would add more credibility since these are factual accounts. He has or is on several national T.V. networks and will be featured prominently on NBC at the London Olympics.

Please advise.

SessoccerSessoccer (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The "decline" message is still the old one; consider it a historical record: When the draft is re-submitted, the next reviewer will see what problems the last one found, and can check if those issues were addressed.

The references are a mixed bag. Several are to Wikipedia and Wikipedia mirrors, and that would be circular referencing; Wikipedia does not accept itself as a reliable source. The Google Docs were unaccessible to me. Still others were primary sources such as the Ski Channel announcing its new program with Schlanger. The very first one, "St. Louis A.I.R. Awards 1998 Best Sportscaster" does not provide a source at all, and even if there was a source for that award, it's supposed to support the claim that Schlanger won multiple awards. Most of the rest only provide trivial coverage. The only source that does more than mention Schlanger in a single sentence is the CSTV moderated chat, and since CSTV is Schlanger's employer, that's a primary source again. What we need are reliable secondary sources which provide significant coverage of Schlanger. Huon (talk) 18:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Clone A Willy

Hello! I am wondering if you can help me with this wiki contribution. It keeps getting rejected, but I have included more inline references, external and internal, than many other pages I see. Also I had the pictures I used approved by the manufacturer of this product. The feedback I've received is just the standard vague 'you need more references' or 'you need more reliable sources.' Could you help me by suggesting some specific things that might help? All of the sources I've linked to are reliable; is there a certain genre that my page is missing?

Thanks, Tabitha (Offthetwig (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC))

Unfortunately quite a few of the sources you linked to are not reliable: User-submitted content, blogs and personal websites usually do not come with any editorial oversight or the reputation for fact-checking and accuracy we require. Other sources, while reliable, do not support the statement they were cited for: The article says Clone A Willy "received acclaim from sexologists, erotica aficionados including the notorious Storm Large [...]" - and the reference only says Storm Large once worked for the company. That's not "acclaim". Many of the reviews point to the Clone A Willy website instead of the original publication, and that website does not provide sufficient information to identify the original issues of the publications that featured the reviews. If those reviews could be sourced to the original publication, they might indeed be reliable sources - but the article's content would have to be based on such sources, too, and they shouldn't just be added as an afterthought.

As an aside, you should use footnotes for your inline citations. That allows you to add bibliographical information, such as the authors and dates, to the sources without cluttering the article text. Huon (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Carmer

Hello, I'm new a this, but I submitted this article a little over a week ago, and I was kind of hoping I could get an idea from someone about how long the process takes as to whether it is approved or not. I appreciate any help. Thanks!Gary.mexico (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The oldest drafts currently awaiting review date from June 9. There is a severe backlog; please be patient.

As an aside, your draft currently does not use real footnotes. By enclosing the footnote text in <ref></ref> tags, putting it directly after the text to be supported by that footnote, and adding a {{reflist}} template in a separate "References" section at the very end of the article, you can create footnotes in Wikipedia's standard format. Huon (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Joe Harris

Hi there - it seems someone has created an article at roughly the same time along very similar lines - on that basis this can be deleted or merged

BenWalden (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Since your draft has several sources the live article lacks, I'd suggest you add them to the article before we delete the draft. You can nominate the draft for speedy deletion by adding {{db-user}} to the very top. Huon (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

June 21

Asking why my article was declined

I am VERY much an amateur at creating Wikipedia pages. I submitted an article Wikipedia talk Articles for creation/Denny Morales. it was originally declined for lack of references but I have since added quite a few references. If you can help me "get it right" I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Bill Paddock Billppaddock (talk) 02:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Websites offering to sell a musician's work are not considered to establish that musician's notability, due to the obvious conflict of interest there. That was your first reference. The rest are from allmusic, which as a directory of essentially everything music, also does not establish notability. It may be reliable for stating that Morales is in the credits, or for when an item was released, but it does not establish that Morales is considered notable in the field. What we need are sources that actually discuss Morales and his work, rather than simply listing it, and are independent (i.e. are not also selling his work). Also, please properly format your external links (see Help:Footnotes and Help:Links). It's not required for a successful submission, but it makes the review easier. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

How do I submit a completed article?

My article has been moved to "talk" but I don't know how to tag it for review -- or where to put the tag, or anything else. Please let me know and I will move forward. I appreciate your guidance -- I imagine I will get better at this as I go along. Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation/American Sports Builders Association Mhsprecher (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Put the following bolded text at the top of a submission to submit (or resubmit): {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} Someguy1221 (talk) 02:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Issue with newly created page

Dear Sir/Madam, I've created a page here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbai_Xincun_Station) recently and got approved. However, the chinese version of this page linked to another station which is on the same metro line. As a native chinese speaker I would like to edit that page so that both the english and chinese version means the same station, but would the current linked page, which stands for another metro station, be affected? If it would, how should I edit the page?

Thanks. Kind Regards Michael Zhang Eamond (talk) 09:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC) (username: eamond) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eamond (talk • contribs) 08:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't speak Chinese and thus have to guess a little, but if I understand you correctly, the problem is that the link from Longbai Xincun Station to the Chinese Wikipedia pointed to a different station, namely Hangzhong Road Station. That link was created by the line [[zh:航中路站]], the English article's very last line. I have changed that link so that it points to what I believe is the correct Chinese article, zh:龙柏新村站. Please check that I didn't screw up. Huon (talk) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Huon, your understanding is absolutely correct. Thank you for the help. Cheers, Michael Eamond (talk) 09:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Anthony James R

Many potential links to be provided for this link.

Under Construction is what it is.

Still employing help and assistance.

Please be patient.

An emergency public publication.

Free and appropriate.

Subject to History.

Influence.

Most recent endeavors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starofnight2012 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

You can take your time about editing the draft, but it will not be accepted unless it cites reliable sources for what it says, both for WP:Verifiability and to establish WP:Notability, which requires showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Read WP:Your first article for advice. JohnCD (talk) 14:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cove (band)

I have entered an article for creation 'Cove (band)' which has been delcined twice on the grounds of unverifiable information despite there being lots of refernces. Why is it being declined when there are pages (such as Joeyfat) which have almost no references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Covesounds (talk • contribs) 15:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of User:Genepez/sandbox

I submitted for review the wrong version of the article 'Lumiere & Son Theatre Company': a version that omits all the footnoted references. How can I take this version off the Review waiting list and replace it with the current referenced version? Genepez (talk) 17:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)