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Kerala

I thank you for your close of RFC in Talk:Kerala. I'm here because I would like to improve the article further in the light of your criticism like this: "this article and this section get improved (it's really not good at all right now) ". It would be highly helpful to me if you brief the most important quality issues with this article. (Pls don't suggest to go for a peer review or FA!!) AshLey Msg 09:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think that tackling the prose in that particular section would be a good start. I'm already not sure about the heading--"Religious traditions" suggests that the section will discuss the religious traditions of Kerala, but the supposed subject matter is the mythological origin of the area/state. The section needs to start with a topic sentence that outlines that content; the current opening sentence, "The oldest of the surviving Hindu Puranas, the Matsya Purana, sets the story of the first of the incarnations of Lord Vishnu, the Matsya Avatar, and King Manu (King Satyavrata, mankind's ancestor), among Kerala's Malaya Mountains", is totally confusing and doesn't even suggest anything to do with Kerala except for the mountains. Any rephrase along the lines of "A mythological origin of Kerala is proposed in Hindu scripture; the xx-th century Matsya Purana sets the story of... etc" would be better than what we have now. Then the puranas disappear, to return unannounced in the fourth paragraph. In between we have some mentions of the name, but what do those have to do with religious traditions or a proposed origin? And of the last paragraph, only one sentence refers explicitly to Kerala.

    I can't really judge the rest of the article in great detail, but at first glance some issues are clear. The article needs a very thorough copyedit, and it needs to be trimmed in places--"Education" is much too long, given that there is a main article, Education in Kerala, and that goes for a couple of other sections as well ("Media", "Sports"). I'm positively impressed with the number of references and how the cites look, and I guess I agree with the B-rating. Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 16:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks a lot for your guidance. I have done a few copyedits here and changed the sec title as "Kerala and Hindu mythology". Pls comment on this modification. AshLey Msg 13:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I saw what happened and I reverted. That editor, please let me know if he continues to bother you. Now, as to your improvements, good--but what does that second paragraph ("Tradition says that") have to do with Kerala? This has to be made explicit--I have no idea if Travancore has anything to do with it, and the second sentence, "The Kollam era is also known as..." has no connection at all to the previous. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Your intervention was really helpful; that has improved my confidence much, thank you Drmies. A few more changes: I had no option but to trim 2nd para' related to Parasurama. These are not part of the original puranic version but a part of later literary work. Also, not that important to Kerala history and do not find a space in major sources. I have also made an attempt to clarify the legend of Mahabali further. Request your review for the changes that I have made. Gratefully, AshLey Msg 14:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hi Ashley, I think that section is looking a lot better. I've made a few tweaks to the lead (hard editing such a huge article--long load times). For further improvement, I suggest you ask someone who produces quality and knows India--I'm talking about my man User:Sitush. Another editor who knows this stuff is User:SpacemanSpiff, and he might be able to assist in handling problems with other editors. I speak somewhat euphemistically since I don't want to presume there are or will be problems. Good luck, and thanks for getting in touch, Drmies (talk) 15:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Hi Drmies, The behaviour of Sumerian Prince reflects how I did it when I was not aware of the pillar policies of WP. Then I had a bombardment with Sitush and that was the major turning point in my wiki-life. Still, we have some good-faith issues and I think as my experience grows that's slowly tapering. Your reference has really boosted my confidence in him and I'll surely approach him for further help (if necessary with an apology). I wonder how I could correct Sumerian since he doesn't assign good-faith on me and in past even unresponsive to talkpage messages. AshLey Msg 09:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

Would you, or your talk page watchers, care to venture an opinion? Uncle G (talk) 11:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merci

Thank you for fulfilling the warnings RFC close request. It's wonderful to have that closed right on the 30 day schedule. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 15:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More eyeballs

Hey Drmies, I decided that Yadkin-Pee Dee River Basin shouldn't be an improper redirect and turned it into an article yesterday, and was thinking about submitting the fact about Pilot Mountain as a DYK, being somewhat timely. Can you take a look? I think I have it pretty well ironed out, but would appreciate a look and fine tuning. I've only had one DYK before (Pigs in the City), figured I should at least try for another. I might even try for a GA on another article some day ;) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
I thereby award you with The Admin's Barnstar for closing discussions listed at the Requests for closure subpage of the Administrator's noticeboard. Keep up the good work. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 18:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Second set of eyes

second set of eyes provided

A request for a second set of eyes on a revdel request that's been made on my talk page User talk:Skier Dude; I'm not 100% sure if this really fits the needed requirements. Your advice would be appreciated. Skier Dude (talk) 03:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Brechbill123

Sorry that it has taken me quite a while to respond to your post on my talk page, but I have done so now. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bent-Con

Hello. You deleted the Bent-Con page I created in less than 24 hours of my creating it. I only found out this morning, when I was going to provide additional information to the article, that it was deleted without any real chance to contest. Accoring to the Wiki guidelines, the page requires more notable third party references to remain active. That is exactly what I was going to provide the article with this morning, again, within less than 24 hours of creating the article. I would appreciate in future you would provide fellow Wiki editors more adiquate time to update pages before deleting them, especially if the articles are new and still in the initial editing process. Artemisboy (talk) 18:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've reviewed this and find that the logged reason for the deletion ((del/undel) 06:58, 27 July 2012 Drmies (talk | contribs | block) deleted page Bent-Con (A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject) (view/restore)) is entirely appropriate and withing the bounds of speedy deletion. if it was not ready to be in article space you should have finished drafting it in userspace or at the very least tagged it with {{underconstruction}}. If you would like it userfied so you can continue to work on I can do that for you. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Beeblebrox. Artemisboy, you're not a spring chicken here (metaphorically)--you know the score. I didn't see any reason to assume encyclopedic importance: those conventions are really not that unique; there's a lot of them, and this one had nothing to prove it was notable. Userfication will help you work on it (just say the word)--and so does releasing something into the mainspace only when it's presentable. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Someone is asking for help regarding avian lungs on my talk page, and I'm hopelessly out of my league here but your user page tells me this is up your alley and perhaps a very simple call for you to make. Could you take a look please?[1] As always, thanks a million. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey Dennis, any teenager can tell you there's a huge difference between boobs and lungs. I know nothing about lungs. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is an easy put down there, but I will leave that to your wife. On another note, I started Pork jowl, being that I am a member of the now quiet Bacon Cabal. It is only a stub, but I will work on it over the next few days, hopefully the rest of the bacon cabal can pitch in. Surely there is a DYK with the Beverly Hillbillies that can be created. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Who says "hog jowl" is archaic? Seriously, {cn}, because I don't think that's accurate. LadyofShalott 01:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's just someone's Yankeeness coming out, Lady. I left them an insulting edit summary. Hey, that's a really, really nice photograph you found there, Dennis! And as a side note, hog jowl is overrated, haha. I'm never buying it again. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is probably a little bit of OR in there now, but I kept most of for my most recent edit summary. LadyofShalott 02:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine to me--that's not OR. Did you see the photo that opens Soul food? Doesn't the bowl and the surface look similar to the hog jowl picture? ;) Drmies (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hah! Nice contributions. Once in high school, I was sitting at the French table for lunch. I wanted to say something about black-eyed peas (which we had not been served that day - so pointing was not an option). In something akin to David Sedaris's Me Talk Pretty One Day, I referred to "beans with black eyes". Oddly enough, no one could figure out what I was talking about, and I finally had to say it in English (pretty much not ever done at the French table). LadyofShalott 02:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jowl IS overrated. The flavor is something like bacon with a hint of sweaty feet, and a texture that reminds me just a little of gummy bears. Yes, I noticed the summary Doc Mies, I wasn't sure the proper adjective to describe the term "hog jowls". I need to get the camera out and do some photos of bacon related items at the grocery store. Last two times I bought pork for pictures, I ate it before I remembered I was supposed to photography it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Rebecca McDonnell

Concerns addressed at Template:Did you know nominations/Rebecca McDonnell. Thank you for the review. --LauraHale (talk) 02:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Danceking5

I blocked him for a legal threat after his ANI performance, and now his talk page action would seem to be a thinly veiled threat against me. (yawn) But since it is against me, I would rather have another admin look and decide if talk page access should be revoked. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute Resolution IRC office hours.

Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the #wikimedia-office connect IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.

Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) (talk) 07:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits on the Kerala page.

My edit on the Kerala page reverted an edit that altered what was on there for several months. While you see no reason for my revert I wonder what reason you see in the edit that was made in the first place. AshleyThomas1980 has meanwhile made several other edits and alterations which you do not seem to have taken exception to as well.

Your discourse on the WIKI rules apart, I shall explain myself just this one time here, and I think it should be pretty clear to you.

According to Hindu Mythology/Legends, the Matsya Purana's story is the oldest and the first, in the litany of legends associated with Hinduism. It is also the oldest of the surviving Hindu texts. Therefore it was placed first in the section. Then comes the story of the King called Mahabali. The Parasurama story is much, much, much later in terms of Hindu Cosmology/genealogy that runs into astronomical numbers of years. Besides, there is no mention of any such thing in what are universal Hindu texts, but in a regional text of a later date called Keralolpathi. This was discussed at length on my Talk page which you can refer to if you want.

You might be pretty well aware that you are only one of the admins here and not the only one. That you see no validity in my revert when you have not mentioned what validity you see in the edit I reverted int he first place is pretty obvious. In the normal case you should have reverted his edit made out of nowhere. Anyway I believe we shall not have to talk of this again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SumerianPrince (talk • contribs) 17:42, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Haha, yes sir Mr. Prince, what's pretty clear to me is your attitude. Take it up on the article talk page. Whatever discussion was happening on your talk page is of little interest: the article talk page is where these things should be hashed out. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had to come back to show you this though I need not have. As I said I will bring in another admins if this issue is not put to rest for I very clearly see where the editor is coming from as I mentioned in my very first edit summary.

In the edit he makes below he says that he as added/modified some info about the Parasurama legend and goes on to rehash and delete info related to other legends - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kerala&diff=504592612&oldid=504548863

The references state exactly what has been put down there and he modifies them with vague wordings like "has a mention of" etc.

As I said you have commented on my edit summary rather than my edit and claim that it was wrong without a word on the edit that was reverted in the first place. SumerianPrince (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mr. Prince, you removed my response to your first comment--that's in bad form. You may not know this, but I do not believe in nobility as a God-given quality, so you'll just have to behave like everyone else. I'm also having a hard time trying to understand what you are trying to say. I think you are saying you are going to bring in some admins to set me straight. If that is the case, I'd love to see it. Happy days, and please stay away from my talk page, which is only for happy, well-written messages that promote peace, love, and great writing around the world in a true Olympic spirit. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Oldest surviving Hindu text is Rigveda (some Government documents in support. That's all I can understand now. And one needs to correct the book URLs in that article unless it has been done already. remove "q=Matsya+Malaya+Malabar&source" etc from the book URLs. I can help here if needed --Tito Dutta ✉ 19:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Tito--maybe you, as a GA reviewer, have some ideas on how to improve this article on this wonderful Indian state... Drmies (talk) 23:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have made few minor edits. I need some time– because I cannot understand some very basic question like– are they using British English or American English (etc)? I have added the article in watchlist. --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Hello, Drmies. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Altairisfar (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Dylan, Request for comment

Thanks for closing Dylan Rfc. I think the comments continue into the next Talk section, so maybe that should be closed too. Best, Mick gold (talk) 05:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You around?

?? Dougweller (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Histoire ancienne jusqu'à César

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redundancy

Your comment on dispute resolution about redundancy in the article or unnecessary info is 100% right. If you're interested, and spot any other examples, feel free to bring them up in the talk page. Unless it's removing an entire passage, it shouldn't be met with much resistance...

Thanks!

--Activism1234 22:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, my comments to you on Saafi was uncalled for and I apologise for my remark if you take offense. Regardless of our differences I could have been more delicate. So I apologise for that. Regarding Raampa and Serer symbols, I have the 1971 paper so I know it exists, but since you've tried to look it up on the net with no luck, no problem I can delete if that is the consensus, no big issue, better than the arguements. I will make an entry to DRN (and await Jogarths return) and strike off my remark to you on Saafi. Good day. Tamsier (talk) 09:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anila Weldon

Why you could not wait for a few hours before deleting that article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChJameel (talk • contribs) 17:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please search for "Anila Weldon" on google and I hope you find many websites and pages about her or mentioning her. She deserves a wikipedia page of her own.

ChJameel (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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