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Copyvio problem

I just assessed this article: Vladimir III Igorevich - most of it looks like it comes word for word from the given source, (Dimnik, Martin The Dynasty of Chernigov - 1146–1246), which was published in 2003. I searched one sentence: here and it matches exactly. I searched anthor sentence here and found that the exact sentence is used in several other wp articles as you can see. It would appear that the majority of material in these and possibly other articles by this particular user (User:Borsoka) are copyvio. INeverCry 08:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've marked it as a copyvio as a precaution, although I will still need to look at it closer. My first impression is that much of the article is closely paraphrased, with only occasional sentences taken verbatim. The other sentence you searched for, for example, is not in the book at all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 22, 2012; 14:56 (UTC)

I showed the 2nd link basically to call attention to the other articles, which have the same copyvio problems and extremely close paraphrasing. Svyatoslav III Igorevich has this exact copyvio sentence: here and probably more. I don't doubt the others do too. The language used in these articles, though not always exactly the same as that source, is still much too close throughout. The language used in these articles sounds like a historical chronicle rather than encyclopedia articles. INeverCry 16:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's a helpful listing of Borsoka's major contributions at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Borsoka, if you're interested. (Forgive the mojibake -- blame Windows -- but diffs should still work.) I've marked off the three you blanked a couple of days ago. MER-C 09:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; I was not aware of that listing. It was a lot of work and is much appreciated. I was going to tell INC below that the barnstar is a bit premature since I've only just started looking the contributions over and only marked the three he pointed out to me. At any rate, I'll make a point to help out with the rest of those. If there's anything else I need to know (such as whether there have been sanctions or similar), please tell me. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 13:43 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. Borsoka hasn't edited substantially since the CCI was created, however if he contributes further copyvios he should be indefinitely blocked. MER-C 03:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

		The Admin's Barnstar
		For your quick and thorough handling of this issue. INeverCry 18:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roschinsky, Samara

Please place ru:Рощинский (Самарская область) on your long-term stub creation list, for 3rd Guards Spetsnaz Brigade and other formations. All best wishes, Buckshot06 (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done. Have fun with the rest of it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 15:43 (UTC)

Tatarstan

So I found a university paper which says 55% of Tatarstan's population is Muslim. This is a reliable source and I want to put this in the article, but its in pdf format and I don't know how to cite those. 68.150.245.177 (talk) 05:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I removed the link as it was not working. I am not sure why you do not like the 2010 census anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it did not work so I want to source the pdf file. I want to know how to link to those.

I don't like the 2010 census because we have contradictory numbers in the demographics area. I am not sure why you don't like the new census numbers. 68.150.245.177 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you post a link to that document here (don't worry about formatting or anything; just copy/paste whatever is in your browser's address bar when you open the pdf), I'll be happy to help you from there.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 20:14 (UTC)

I've replaced the thesis link with the link to the original work that thesis cites. I don't have a problem with that source. However, do you not find it ironic that Krindatch's article was published in 2004, which most certainly means that he used either the 2002 Census results or one of the even older works listed among his references on page 136? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 27, 2012; 18:54 (UTC)

Khasansky District

Hi, whats up? I just remind u, if you have some improvements u can add to the Temlate:Khasansky District I have created. Besides, i have created articles for all Russian Government ministries, if you have also smth to improve there, u r welcome to do it. Take care, Superzohar Talk 07:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry for the delay. I haven't forgotten, but keep procrastinating :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 26, 2012; 17:03 (UTC)

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Re: dab page link

You reverted my change to remove the dab link for "eastern". I started a discussion on this topic here: Talk:Vostochny_District#linking_to_dab_page. Please let me know why you think a dab link is appropriate in this context. Coastside (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded on that page. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 14:22 (UTC)

Template:Mongolian legislative election, 2012

Hi I created the template, but as usual, problems. can u help me fix it? Superzohar Talk 19:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. I see that the lines are skewed somewhat. Is that all, or is there something else that needs fixing?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:09 (UTC)

I think thats it basically, but can be sure only when numbers will be located. Superzohar

Talk 19:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think I got it. Let me know if you find anything else (and sorry I overrode the numbers which were already there).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:22 (UTC)

Yes thank you. Now it looks asthetic and good. BTW, in the template:Khasansky District there is one settlement Андреевка i didnt know how to write it in english andreevka, andryevka or smth else so its still in Russian. And Витязь i translated Vityaz' i hope its good. Superzohar

Talk 19:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. "Андреевка" would be "Andreyevka", and "Витязь" would be "Vityaz" (the apostrophe for the soft sign is normally dropped; as per WP:RUS). The reason I'm postponing the review of that template is because most of the place names in Primorsky Krai overall and in Khasansky District in particular are ambiguous. It's very labor-intensive to manually check every single one for dups (just look at the Andreyevka page to see what I mean!). I am able to automate most of that, but I'm hesitant to work on such lists until the foundation for such work is built—it's really important to have all districts, cities, urban-type settlements, and selsoviets covered first, or we'll have to continuously return to the inhabited localities lists to tweak the links in the descriptions and/or relink the targets. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 29, 2012; 19:51 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Hi, just a token of our appreciation for you taking the time to answer our questions about Wikipedia & SuggestBot, many thanks! Nettrom (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 5, 2012; 20:06 (UTC)

Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces

Hi its me again:-)

I want to write article based on the russian wikipedia Верховный Главнокомандующий Вооружёнными Силами Российской Федерации. What is the more correct english wiki name? Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces or Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces? thx Superzohar Talk 12:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know whether this is the term which is predominantly used in English to refer to that rank, but as a translation it seems OK to me (if I were to translate it, I'd use that exact term). I'll ask someone else to double-check though.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 9, 2012; 13:43 (UTC)

hi! i decided the most correct translation is Supreme Commander-in-Chief. so what u think it should be: Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, or Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia or Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? take care Superzohar

Talk 12:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go with the last one ("Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation") as it's the closest to the original, but if you have sources in English using a different term, then you should probably use that instead.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 16, 2012; 13:29 (UTC)

Removed gallery

Hi. Why did you remove this gallery? --Søren 21:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceroi (talk • contribs)

Hi there! That one was more of an editorial decision than anything. Galleries are very useful tools, but having a gallery just for the sake of having a gallery isn't really that beneficial. When you have an article about a painter, galleries are the best choice to show that painter's most notable works, or when you have an article about a landmark, having a gallery illustrating various views of that landmark is also useful. Alternatively, pictures illustrating some important aspect of a topic but not covered in the text also rightfully belong in a gallery (at least until someone takes time to cover them in the text, after which they can be incorporated in the appropriate paragraph). But having a gallery which basically picks a few random pictures or duplicates a corresponding Commons category isn't really helpful. The gallery I removed, for example, contained three pictures—one showing the city on the banks of the river (which is a thematic duplicate of the picture in the infobox), a painting by Kozhin (a thematic duplicate of Bilibin's painting, although it can be argued which of those two is a better illustration), and a painting of a bridge by Presnyakov (which does not extend the article in any way). All three are available on the Commons, the Commons cat is linked to from the article, so nothing hasn't really been lost.

I understand this may seem a somewhat arbitrary decision, but that's why I never insist on keeping such galleries out if someone restores them. I do, however, stand by my opinion that the gallery in the condition I removed it was not all that useful to readers. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 13:07 (UTC)

Snezhnoye, CAO

Hi, wondered whether you had time to review Snezhnoye? I Think I have exhausted all relevant sources in russian and english, it seems only one woman has published extensive studies of the village. Anyway, it was at start status when it was first reviewed. I was wondering whether there was any chance of a GA status. I'm still reading up on Chukotka and spent several weeks there last year so thought it would be a good idea to focus on one article to get some sort of critcism that I could take to other articles. I'd like to take this to peer review, but have built the article after reading numerous academic articles so if you could provide feedback on this I think it would help me out a lot on expanding a lot of the remaining CAO articles. I don't want to do the same thing to a number of articles but be heading in the wrong direction. Thanks in advance. Fenix down (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Funny you should mention this one, because I added it to my review list just a couple days ago :) I'll try to take a good look at it in the next week or two. But I must say, for a half-dead village in the Extreme North of Russia, the number of sources you've been able to dig up is truly amazing. I'm sure some cleanup will be required, but with this amount of material (and considering the obscureness of the topic) the article should easily pass the GA requirements (although putting it through a peer review first should indeed lay way for other articles you worked on). Thank you ever so much for your interest in this subject and for the amount of effort you put in! I only wish we could order the likes of yourself in triplicate :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 13:18 (UTC)

As promised, I gave that article a read and made a few changes (which are by no means exhaustive). My overall impression is unchanged—the article has lots and lots of good material, addressing the verifiability and broad coverage requirements of GACR in spades. However, I've also noticed some problems with readability. The amount of material is great, but there seems to be a fair amount of repetition, jumping back and forth, restating the same fact more than once, and other similar things. I revised the Prehistory and Soviet history sections to show what I mean. In other words, the article is a great first draft, but I'm afraid it might fail the "well-written" criterion of GAN if nominated in its present state.

I will be more than happy to assist with copyediting, but you should probably go through the article as well (perhaps after taking a short break so you could read it on a fresh head), since at this point you are the person most familiar with what the sources say. After the readability concern is addressed, I think the article has a very good chance of passing GAN.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2012; 16:46 (UTC)

Settlements in republics

In Russian Wikipedia, lists of settlements by size are widely used in articles about republics, see example: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабардино-Балкария#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.81.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.91.D0.BD.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.BF.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.BA.D1.82.D1.8B Is there a reason why we should not use these lists here? PANONIAN 21:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you are trying to list them by size, then perhaps labeling them as "most populous", instead of "main" would make more sense? "Main" sounds too vague, to me at least. As for the list being a part of the Demographics section, that's actually a good idea.

I don't really object to having those lists all that strongly, but I just can't shake off the feeling of redundancy and clutter when I see them (including in the Russian Wikipedia). A sentence listing, say, top five most populous places is a good addition to either Demographics or Administrative divisions section, but the minute details fit better in a subarticle. The fewer tables with stats we have in top-level articles, the better. The "Vital stats" sections are particularly horrible—I can imagine them being useful in an article dedicated to demographics of a republic, but on the top level they are nothing but clutter. There's a lot to be said for a well-placed concise summary :)

Regarding the actual population figures, perhaps listing the final 2010 Census population figures would be a better choice for this? The Gazeteer marks the 2012 figures as "calculation", and it's not really clear how they arrived to those numbers. What do you think?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 21:42 (UTC)

Well, I just added another list here: [1] (I used description "most populous" as you proposed and 2010 census numbers from Russian Wikipedia). We may not agree whether these settlement lists are useful or not, but I think that they are very useful (demographics is one of my main interests and lists of cities or ethnic groups by size are very important by my opinion). Of course, if you think that these lists do not belong into main republic articles, I would not object that they are moved to sub-articles. However, I think that we definitely should have these lists somewhere. PANONIAN 21:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected some spelling/links and gave precise population numbers for the KBR list.

Regarding the demographics, I'm not saying that it shouldn't be covered :) I'm saying that all those lists would better belong in something like demographics of the Kabardino-Balkar Republic etc., instead on the top level where they are of interest only to a small portion of the readers and a clutter to the rest. There, a short summary is all that's needed, really. And if demographics is a topic you are mostly interested in, perhaps you'd consider starting working on the "demographics of..." series of articles? That would certainly be quite neat! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2012; 22:01 (UTC)

OK, but, currently I do not have enough free time to create such detailed demographics articles. At this moment, I mostly work on maps and some demographic data related to ethnicities and sizes of the cities. In the future, I might do other things as well. PANONIAN 21:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but they don't have to be terribly detailed right from the start. Just a place to hold all those huge tables which are already there and a brief summary around them. But it's your call, of course.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 12:05 (UTC)

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Sad. --Ghirla^-трёп- 04:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Ghirla, old chum. Top o' the morning to you, too!

You know, for a guy whose main argument in a similar situation in the past was "if it's good enough for the Russian Wikipedia, it ought to be good here as well", you seem to be rather inconsistent in what you find "sad" these days.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 12:13 (UTC)

Administrative Divisions of Leningrad Oblast

The website where the were pages from the handbook of Administrative Divisions of Leningrad Oblast is dead (the domain registration not extended). The cache is still available, but it will be gone pretty soon. What are we going to do? I used it heavily for Pskov and Vologda Oblasts. For Pskov Oblast, we have apparently the same info, though the site does not look trustworthy, but for the west of Vologda Oblast I have no idea what we are going to refer to.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, crud! I hate when something like that happens. But by the looks of it, if it's just the domain that has expired, perhaps the resource is not yet lost (if they renew it soon).

For doing actual work, I did save that website for local reference—I'll be happy to email it to you if you need it. And as far as the refs already in place go, there really isn't much we can do there. Since the source is obviously valid and reliable, I suggest we just strip the links and leave the bibliographic information in place (with a note that the original text came from a website which is no longer available, per WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT).

I also have a couple of (actual paper) books on the administrative divisions of Leningrad and Vologda Oblasts, although they are more convoluted and generic that the online source that went south. I should be able to verify some things with their help, though, so please don't hesitate to ask.

As for the druzhkovka site, I also have that book in paper format, so if you use that site for your work, I should be able to verify everything in the actual book. If we do that, then it's probably unnecessary to cite the druzhkovka cite at all as giving bibliographic information should be sufficient.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 14:42 (UTC)

Thanks. We probably need to wait a couple of weeks before replacing all links. (I do not believe the site will be available at the same address again). Concerning the druzhkovka site, they seem to be pretty informative. It would be great to have the page numbers if we site the book, but here probably the best course of action for me would be to finish all districts of Pskov Oblast + the administrative divisions, and then to ask you to check references (probably sometime in the fall, right now I am about 30% done).--Ymblanter (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was going to suggest the same thing—we should certainly not rush into changing the refs right away. As for the Pskov Oblast plan, sounds good to me. Just let me know when you need me back there (and no, I have not forgotten that I also promised to work on the dates in Novgorod Oblast districts). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2012; 14:52 (UTC)

Gazimursky Zavod

Greetings. Can you add the data to this? Will try to source it later unless you can.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How's this for a start?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 16:49 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. I do miss the green color of the infoboxes though, seemed more suitable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I do too. But apparently it was that green color that hypnotized some folks into thinking that the whole template is "horrible", because the complaints stopped immediately after the color had been changed :) But hey, the districts are still green! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 17:02 (UTC)

I used to think that too but I gradually came to think of the green as "Russian" for some reason. The generic blue on the nav boxes is enough,..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's the thing. Blue is too generic these days. I'm all for standardization, but when everything is blue, it starts looking kind of monotonous. A little color coding never killed anybody :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 17, 2012; 17:08 (UTC)

Istra, Istrinsky District, Moscow Oblast hatnote

FYI: Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Istra. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ezhiki. Congratulations for taking a stand at WT:DAB. I especially agree with this:

See, your argument is strictly in terms of Wikipedia infrastructure. The readers, however, reach our articles from all sorts of external places and aren't necessarily familiar with Wikipedia's rigid arbitrary rules of disambiguation upon arrival, or know which title can be considered ambiguous and which can't be (and it's not like we are consistent, anyway). Do a google search for "Istra", "Istra, Russia", or "Istra, Moscow Oblast", for example, and imagine yourself in a position of a reader who is searching for a smaller Istra but isn't aware that another, larger, Istra exists nearby.

It is remarkable how the discussion there is insulated from the real world, in which real people are searching by real means for real information through Google – or whatever means they find available, some of which I have never yet seen mentioned by these "experts" on WP titling.

For now I have given up on that forum, along with WT:TITLE and all RM discussions. Typically these ignore any argument based on how people actually find their way to WP content. Life is too short. I may come back; we'll see. Meanwhile, thanks for continuing the debate. Do not accept assertions that the existing provisions at WP:DAB and WP:TITLE are "consensual". History shows otherwise. Check modifications to those provisions by notable closers of RMs and other "algorithmic activists"; and see if any wide conclusive discussion can be found to support them.

A well-organised community review is overdue, for all WP titling and disambiguation arrangements.

Best wishes,

Noetica^Tea? 00:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Noetica! I don't believe we've ever communicated before, have we? Thank you for your supportive note. That the majority of the disambiguation guidelines are not actually built on consensus is hardly a surprise to me—on a few occasions I bothered to check some of the standing provisions, they had all been adopted by a "consensus" of a group of one to half a dozen people, who usually are, unsurprisingly enough, the folks running WP:DAB and its surroundings. Of course, one could always argue that the lack of opposition to those guidelines is in itself an indication of consensus, but upon some observation, that lack is more likely to the fact that regular people avoid WT:DAB like a plague :) I'm not a fan of posting there myself, because each time I go there, it's like arguing with a telemarketer who's reading from a script. Which is a pity, because while the disambiguation guidelines aren't all that important, they are still mighty useful. It's often not even the guidelines themselves which are a problem; it's the total lack of flexibility in their interpretation. A thorough community review could indeed do those guidelines much good. Perhaps I'll even start planning one; this got to return to normalcy at some point! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 20, 2012; 13:28 (UTC)

That's right, we've never interacted before.
Many thoughtful editors are becoming concerned with how the DAB and TITLE provisions have drifted from practicality to a kind of hermetically sealed Wikimicrocosm. Let's keep in touch, and see what might eventually be achieved through wider community involvement, yes? More later!
Noetica^Tea? 00:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely; please don't hesitate to contact me if anything! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2012; 14:37 (UTC)

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Здравствуйте. Пытаемся на Викискладе восстановить источник, время создания и/или подтвердить авторство (предполагается Prokudin-Gorsky) данного файла (ибо напрямую в коллекции найти не получается). Не могли бы вы посмотреть в удалённой историки в en-wikipedia, есть ли там какие-нибудь внешние источники или иная информация, которая могла бы помочь доопределить сведения о файле. Alex Spade (talk) 11:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Тут файл был загружен в июле 2005 г. участником Ghirlandajo, который в описании изначально указал, что это фотография Горского, но затем сразу же это описание удалил. Через несколько месяцев фотография была помещена в категорию фотографий Прокудина-Горского участником Hellbus, а в октябре 2006 г. добавлена в Category:Images of Uzbekistan участником Aelfthrytha. Рекомендую спросить у них. Больше ничего полезного в удалённой истории нет.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 28, 2012; 23:11 (UTC)

Administrative divisions of the Republic of Mordovia

The Republic of Mordovia is Mordovia. This was discussed at length at Talk:Republic of Adygea#Requested move. For consistency's sake, Mordovia should be used across all articles unless there is a really good reason not to (I can imagine a few.) Marcus Qwertyus 23:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Marcus! Thanks for your comment.

To cut to the chase, I am aware of that particular RM, having been a participant there myself. And while I still mostly disagree with the outcome, I'm able to make my peace with it; at least for now :) In reference to this situation, however, I guess where I quite disagree is that the outcome of that RM means that any reference of "republic of" must be purged from every and all of our articles.

Guideline-wise, the names of places of Russia are covered by WP:NC:CITY#Russia, the examples in which utilize the full name of the federal subjects, which I should add, is how it had been customarily done for years before that guideline was formalized. That guideline had to a degree been influenced by WP:NCCS, which states that it is useful for all divisions of the same type in the same country to share the same article title format. As applied to this situation, when a place name is ambiguous with other place names in Russia, it is disambiguated by the full name of the federal subject. That is a very consistent and least surprising approach; indeed, disambiguating by the short name of the federal subject is in most cases simply impossible. "Foo, Ryazan Oblast", for example, has a completely different connotation than "Foo, Ryazan" would (the former implies a locality in Ryazan Oblast, while the latter would be used for a locality subordinated to the city of Ryazan). Even with the republics it is impossible to always use a shorter name: "Foo, Karelia", for example, is not unambiguous (since the Russian Republic of Karelia is a part of a bigger area called Karelia), and something like "Foo, Komi" would create more confusion than clarity.

Regarding the edit summary you left for most of your moves ("common name"), the titles you moved the articles to are not really "common names". And while "Makarovka, Republic of Mordovia" is definitely not a common name for that place, neither is "Makarovka, Mordovia". The only common name for it is "Makarovka", which, however, cannot be used because it is shared by more than one place. So in the end it boils down just to a selection of a disambiguator, not to "common names". And "Mordovia" isn't just the Republic of Mordovia; it's also the Mordovian ASSR, as well as the entities which preceded it.

I hope this provides enough of "a few reasons" for you to reconsider, although this is by no means an exhaustive list of all my concerns. Like any person who extensively worked on one topic for a long time, I can pinpoint a great number of reasons why things are done the way they are. Shorter disambiguators may seem like a good idea on the surface, but once you start digging deeper, it becomes more apparent why using them eventually results in an inconsistent system which ultimately confuses more than it helps. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2012; 13:57 (UTC)

Privyet from Putinland!

Nice to meet you! I fear we're prohibited to use Russian here:) Thus, about business:D I'd like to consult you: where could I learn to use Russian phonemic symbols? Sometimes, it seems desirable to show something here on the English Wiki. I'll be watching you;) JLincoln (talk) 15:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Josh! Nice to meet you too. I see you have no problems communicating in English :) but do feel free to use Russian on my talk page if it's easier for you for some reason. It's only considered to be bad tone on the pages outside user space or when talking about someone else.

To answer your question, your best bet is probably the Russian phonology article. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 3, 2012; 16:05 (UTC)

I still don't understand

I am sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem with my articles is. Please help me