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Edit question on the app store

A lot of sources are saying the wii u will have apps and an ebook store. I was wondering if it would be appropriet to include this in the article or if we should wait until nintendo confirms this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YodaFan67 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like it would be okay to be mentioned very briefly in the software section, but definitely worded that a reliable source said it, not Nintendo. Sergecross73 msg me 15:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
ok thanksYodaFan67 (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At the same time, please be careful regarding cutting and pasting material directly from the source. Your addition to this article was copying the first few sentences out of the source. I've altered it to make it original, with the linked source providing the proof of what's being said. --McDoobAU93 16:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Wii and 3DS already have an AppStore. It is only common sense that the Wii U will also include it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.213.64.115 (talk) 11:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's a very big difference in the App Store that iPhones/iPads use, and what the Wii/3DS offers. What Nintendo has done so far is considered very "bare bones/bare minimum". I think the source is referring to the fact that Nintendo may offer something more advanced with Wii U. Sergecross73 msg me 13:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

Citation 1(Wii U release date) is a dead link- it leads to a 404 error. I don't know how to fix this...can someone help? 198.228.226.192 (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I updated the link with one from GameSpot that should stick around a bit longer. Thanks for the tip! --McDoobAU93 04:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wii U Pro Controller is a fake?

I mean: it is CLEAR that the picture is fake, because it mimics EXACTLY PS3's and Xbox 360. Plus, Nintendo wouldn't make it black, no matter what, and they already have the prair-friendly design from the Wii Classic Controller, which would be the one they would most likely use for Wii U. Also, according to Dorkly Bits, the Wii U Pro Controller that has been going around is a rumour, most likely by a Sonyist or Xboxist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.126.80.56 (talk) 15:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo officially announced and showed it yesterday in a video done by their global president, so it doesn't get any more official than that. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This IP just makes me laugh to death. Trying to discount official announcements with rumors and WP:OR. Try researching what you are talking about first. Wikipedia is not a news site, and uses reliable sources or official announcements for our material. What we have here is most likely correct unless inserted by a vandal/uninformed user, in which case it would be swiftly removed on a popular article like this. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If I didn't see the official announcement I to would think it was a fake. (note: this page will be edited so many times tomorrow).Nivlak7 (talk) 03:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think it's just the fact that this person wasn't just passively questioning it, but rather aggressively dismissing it, and this is one of the few things that's actually been confirmed about the system, of all things. (And yes, I plan on watching over the page more than usual, as I know it'll be chaos today. It'll be impossible to actually contribute much with all the constant editing, but I'll try to at least keep some of the garbage out...) Sergecross73 msg me 12:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Announced Games

I'm new to this wikipedia editing stuff, but I thought it would be fun. You guys seem to be missing a lot of other announced titles that were announced yesterday at E3 such as Zombie U, Call of Duty: Declasified and Assasins Creed 3 Omero2582 (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omero2582 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's because there's another page for the games that have been announced. See List of Wii U games. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Show me proof that the Wii U is Launching in North America on a Friday (November 23rd)

STOP JUST PUTTING NOVEMBER 23, WHEN (1) IT'S NOT EVEN CONFIRMED, AND 2, IT'S A FRIDAY!

There's NO proof, you just, being the stupid idiots you are, just change the date to what you WANT it to be, but because you're lazy, you don't bother to actually put any sources.

Nintendo has said "Holiday 2012"

Ubisoft have said "I think it's around November".

See the second word? "THINK". The fourth word "AROUND". Do they even MENTION 23rd? Why the hell would they release a console on a Friday in the US? Consoles are ALWAYS released on a Sunday in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa (talk • contribs)

Dude, calm down. Simply revert the false changes when you see them. It's not worth attacking other editors. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But they've done it TWICE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa (talk • contribs)


it doesnt matter i they do it hundred times dnt get so overworked over it if they repeatly do it as for page proctection, and just because its a fridays doesnt mean sometihng wouldnt launch Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Ultimate Koopa: If anyone readds the speculation feel free to revert. I also strongly suggest looking into anger management classes in your local area. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 22:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ultimate Koopa, you've been warned about your "ALL-CAPS" and ranting before. Please stop it. Fake release dates are, for whatever reason, widely circulated around Wikipedia, you should be used it by now. Remove it and carry on. Sergecross73 msg me 03:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of being unconstructive and attacking other editors, a way better idea is to actually edit the article and remove the unsourced speculative information. CyanGardevoir (used EDIT!) 09:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wii U Controller image

Why is an illustration being used? I don't see any reason for this, and the caption makes it sound like an actual image. ProgMM (talk) 21:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the illustration is because we have no free alternative and probably won't until the system launches. Similarly, we still don't have a free photo of the PlayStation Vita, so we use a diagram for that too. You have to remember why we have images at all on Wikipedia: to either help identify things (which is the case here, and for which a diagram is more than adequate in this case) or to convey ideas that cannot be easily put into words. Wikipedia prohibits the use of non-free images (including promo photos) if a free alternative (like the illustration) is available.
Of course if you can provide a free (i.e. one that is in the public domain or has been released under a suitable creative commons license) photo of the GamePad, then we could certainly use that instead, as a (decent) photo is certainly preferable. You never know, there may be one on Flickr (we got lucky when Kinect was announced since someone posted a pic they'd taken at E3 with an appropriate license on Flickr). We already have at least one which is currently in use in the Wii U GamePad article, but it's not really good enough to demonstrate the device itself (too much is blocked by the user's hands).
As for the caption, that can easily be changed.
Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First off, the attitude really isn't helping. Second, there is absolutely no reason we have to use a diagram, as it's not free either, so we could just as easily use any other non-free image. Third, any image that shows the device as its primary function would not be free anyways. Freedom of panorama, which allows you to use 2D images of 3D objects, only applies if the subject of the article is not the primary focus. Those images you cite are not free images. — trlkly 09:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Alphaton's response was supposed to convey an attitude, he was merely giving his detailed answer to a question that was posed 3 months ago... Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Freedom of panorama has nothing to do with an image of a game console controller. As for the issue you are actually trying to get at, it depends on the extent to which the design is dictated by function whether any creative elements of the design (that aren't too simple to be copyrightable) visible in the photograph are de minimis. Anomie⚔ 15:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, no attitude was intended. I'm not entirely sure why (although I suppose the italics for emphasis didn't help in this case), but something about the way I write often seems to imply either attitude or aggression where none actually exists. Either that or it's just well suited for people to project on to. Either way, it's not the first time it's happened and I doubt it will be the last. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wii U Pro Controller - Origin

1) Saying that the Wii U Pro Controller is based off the Xbox 360 controller just because they have a similar shape does not make it fact and it should not be reported as one, you could just as easily say that the Xbox 360 controller is based of the Gamecube controller because they look the same (though many people have said that before).

2) It doesn't matter that Forbes is a reliable source, writers personal opinions are not reliable sources so an article where the writers is talking about how he thinks the x is a copy of y is not reliable.

-- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 11:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty undeniable that it looks very similar to the 360 controller, and we've got reliable sources aplenty making that connection. I can understand wanting to reword it, maybe saying something more like "Many sources, such as Forbes and "Source X" found it to be very similar to the 360 controller.", since Nintendo themselves haven't admitted it outright as far as I know, but the connection needs to be noted in one way or another.
Also, regarding to what you've changed it to in the past, as seen here. I find it puzzling that you're not okay with the sourced comparison to the 360 controller, but you're okay to comparing it to the gamecube controller without a source. Furthermore, it seems rather strange when you change it to "This controller was designed to emulate Nintendo's own Gamecube twin-triggered design, with their command of the "hardcore" gamer base in mind. considering Nitendo's never made any commentary to aim back to their Gamecube days, nor would that make sense, considering relative market share for that generation... Sergecross73 msg me 12:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah sorry about that, I hadn't slept for a few days and was trying to point out that the comparison could be made either way, I shouldn't have done that on the article and should have used the talk page.
A compromise would be "Many sources, such as Forbes and "Source X" found it to be very similar to the Xbox 360 controller while others have compared it to the Gamecube controller" -- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 14:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine by that, on the assumption there's a reliable source that makes the Gamecube controller connection as well. I haven't read that one, though I haven't searched for it either... Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If IGN counts then (http://www.ign.com/blogs/nsm1035/2012/06/06/the-ultimate-wii-u-pro-controller) for the gamecube comparison, and nintendo says they came up with the design "And you could say that our competitive controllers look a lot like our controller," Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime told Kotaku. (source: http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/nintendo-defends-wii-u-pro-controller-design and http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions) -- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 17:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Usually IGN is a good source, but that was just a blog written by a random user on their site, not something written by an editor or staff, so you can't use that link.
The quote from Reggie in the Kotaku and Gamezone articles doesn't specifically say that the Pro Gamepad was inspired by the Gamecube controller. It just says "our controller". In fact, the Gamezone article writer goes on to literally say "Let's just be glad Nintendo had the brains to mimic its competitors and we aren't stuck with something like the Gamecube controller.".
So...I don't think any of these sources are useable for what you're getting at yet. If anything they're even more sources to be used for the rewording of the Pro/360 controller argument really... Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since we seem to agree that the Xbox 360 information can be included if reworded, I have done so, making it clear that it was the journalists interpretation, not necessarily Nintendo's intent. I figure one of us can add a comparison to the Gamecube controller if/when we can agree on a source that explicitely says that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DVD playback?

Any word on what multimedia compatibility the WII-U will have? Will the disc drive play DVD movies? Can you load compressed video from USB? SMB/Samba sharing? Ect. 24.207.129.95 (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No 'Holiday 2012' release

In the infobox, the release date should be 'Q4 2012' instead of 'Holiday 2012' --- Holiday 2012 refers to the American holiday time which differs from e.g. Europe, so Q4 has to be used instead. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. The explanation to the problem is that Nintendo's official word, and Wikipedia policy, are at odds. All Nintendo has said is "Holiday 2012". Wikipedia, per WP:SEASON, says that's to be avoided, and you're supposed to use things like Q4. But since that's not what Nintendo exactly said, cycles of edit warring ensue. I personally only alter it when people put down a fake/unconfirmed specific release day... Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Concur. "Holiday 2012" has a definitive meaning in western culture, but not elsewhere. Just as saying Winter 2012 would be incorrect because our Australian friends are in Winter 2012 right now, and the console hasn't been released yet. Q4 2012 is the most common-sense option until we have a confirmed launch date. --McDoobAU93 19:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done CyanGardevoir (used EDIT!) 21:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that is the best course of action. The only major Holiday this year I am aware of that is not Q4 is Labour Day but I would doubt that Nintendo was talking about that Holiday and I have not seen anything to support that the Wii U will come out that early either.--70.49.81.140 (talk) 05:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

European release

Currently, it says December 2012, with a source. But the source isn't Nintendo, it's a reliable source who quotes "insiders" or something. Shouldn't we keep it at the Q4 like with NA unless/until Nintendo says otherwise? Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leave it as Q4 2012 and wait for Nintendo to announce a release date becuse it might be fake A Candela (talk) 02:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should be a reliable source, but I'm not sure. I added the verify credibility tag on it. Hamez0 (talk) 06:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem is that it's a reliable source making a call by an "insider" or whatever. Which, could be listed as such in the paragraphs, but I don't think it should be listed as fact in the infobox unless it's official from Nintendo... Sergecross73 msg me 12:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

//Reveling in September 13th//

Nintendo is Holding an Event in New York on September 13th 2012 Reveling The Release Date For The Wii U Just Like How they Reveled The Nintendo 3DS — Preceding unsigned comment added by LionelTheDeal (talk • contribs) 08:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source? It seems likely, but I haven't seen Nintendo themselves admit that this is what they're discussing at that time. Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WiiU Power7

I tried to edit in Power7 to the technical details. As IBM confirmed long ago that it was being built on a custom IBM Power7 bassed chip. I think someone should help clean that up a little I am new to wiki touching up.

https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/78473693843562498 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeadFire87 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Hamez0 (talk) 20:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That same twitter user later said that it would be using a "custom chip built on Power Architecture base." It is unclear as to whether this invalidates the information about the Wii U using a Power7 based chip. https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/248929547842641920 Iobham (talk) 04:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like either way we need to find a better source than a Twitter account... Sergecross73 msg me 04:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of info on tech specs

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wiiu/console/0/3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.193.212 (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possible US release date revealed?

I, heard a rumor that the Wii U, North America released date has possibly revealed yesterday, which is on November 11, 2012, the launch price is about either $250 to $350. Im not sure the rumor is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.97.80 (talk) 17:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as it's just a rumor, it doesn't belong in the article. Trust me, when it's a major product like this, when there's an official release date, it will be all over the internet and easy to tell it's true. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Premium or Deluxe?

I watched the presentation by Nintendo giving the details, and they said that there was a basic package and deluxe package. Going to this article, I noticed it said "Premium" instead of "deluxe." Upon further research, I found out that it was identified as "deluxe" in the US, and "Premium" in Europe. I was wondering what the best solution of what to use in the article should be. Should it be edited to say "Premium/deluxe" or just keep it the way it is because it's not much of a difference and hard to notice? Hamez0 (talk) 20:27, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, I hope this doesn't lead to a ton of arguing and edit warring like the huge Sega Genesis or Sega Mega Drive debate. I think using both is a little awkward to read, but I think it's a better choice than all the endless switching that will likely happen if we tried to chose one over the other... Sergecross73 msg me 20:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The GamePad does NOT have internal storage!

Someone needs to edit the page. It says that the GamePad gets 32GB of storage, when in fact, the console just has 32GB instead of 8GB, and the GamePad has no memory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeC95 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GamePad has some amount of flash memory, a few megs for saving Mii profile data. As a matter of fact, there is non-accessible memory on which the software that operates the gamepad is installed, if you want to go to details :) Xowets (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Communication with the GamePad

Listed as:

  • Wireless communication with console based on IEEE 802.11n

Where's the source? Freddicus (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for delay, here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42272838&postcount=3801 and here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41490721&postcount=818 I was going to make the talk section right now to explain this, that IGN article citing bluetooth is very unreliable as they just assume it, it's pretty old as well. Bluetooth is only used for Backward Compatability for Wii accessories, it's not available to user interaction so it shouldn't be listed in connectivity, but the infobox doesn't allow to make custom entries. I have now used alternative, i hope it's as clear it can be. Xowets (talk) 19:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neogaf forum posts, and forum posts in general, are not reliable sources and are not useable. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'm just saying that can't be used in the article. Sergecross73 msg me 21:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Most proper gaming sites link to neogaf, and neogaf has it's own "banned sites", it's very well established among the gaming community that IGN is a very unreliable source as well as wikipedia. If you cite info from wikipedia and argue about it you may get banned on neogaf because wikipedia consitently takes unreliable sources. Wikipedia would have not been looked upon like unreliable if it wasn't for linking to IGNorants/gamespot/gametrailers, I am on neogaf and many other tech forums, yes I am the same guy who researched that and posted it in the wiiu tech thread on neogaf. Whatever source you use, WiiU does not have bluetooth connectivity, you cannot connect any of your own 3rd party devices, it's non-user accessible nor officialy acknowledged by nintendo and does not list bluetooth in their feature list, it's not on the box, it's not in the manuals, it never did. USB and Network Wi-Fi is user accessible and therefore connectable to any 3rd party device for that purpose. I've had these examples of these arguments on wikipedia, it's silly, I mean, now I need to get one gaming site to make it's article about a neogaf post and that by wikipedia rules will make that information magically verified. Silly. Xowets (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Like I linked above, Neogaf/messageboard/forums violate WP:SPS - it's too easy to fake information through sources like that. Any old person could go and make a thread full of lies, and use that as a source. And again, as I already said before, I'm not arguing whether or not it's true, just that Neogaf can't be used as the source to prove it. Whether you find it "silly" or not, Wikipedia revolves around what can be verified through reliable sources. Neogaf is not one. Sergecross73 msg me 20:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So you think that it's valid to say that WiiUDaily is more verifiable an therefore reliable than neogaf? The information as content matters, not location. I just don't get it, why isn't there an exception for situations like this, there is nothing to verify the information is already there from nintendo, I don't see any media site making it more correct than it is, there is no point of view there is no side and other side, because it's just fact, it is not bluetooth, fact. Neogaf and any other well established tech forums have great communities, those people won't gain anything by lying, but media site companies have a lot to gain if they make up false/inaccurate information. You verify it, why do you need a site, early page editors should have that say as well as others in the talk page, the rule should be changed and improved. The information is there, it's on patents, it's on promotional material, there is nothing more to verify. Xowets (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If this doesn't hold at least remove bluetooth from time being until release when, you guessed it, another neogaf user, is planning to open up a WiiU to inspect all the hardware in side, so it won't be ture again because he posted his findings on neogaf forums, would it be true if he exclusively did it for IGNorants ? Xowets (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, it's like you know, I don't even care about these BS rules, nor about wikipedia in general, the only reason I came here is because wikipedia spreads false information and then non-techies come in forum threads whining about some crap they've read on wikipedia. My reason was to fix this, so less people would get fed wrong information. Other than that, I've stopped taking wikipedia seriously long time ago. Your stupid sources, rules don't change any facts, WiiU GamePad doesn't use bluetooth, so delete bluetooth the fuck out or fix it so it says it's only for internal use for Wii devices, the user cannot interact with that connection method officially, not the same as USB and Network Wi-Fi, update the article at release when this may be revealed and posted on IGNorants/Gaytrailers, Xowets (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I understand your sentiment, Sergecross73 is correct: Neogaf is not a source that may be used on Wikipedia. You say what matters is whether or not something is true, but strictly speaking that isn't what matters: WP:V specifically states that what matters is "verifiability, not fact". This may seem strange but there is a very good reason for it. You say that it is "just a fact" that it does not use Bluetooth, and I'm inclined to believe that this is correct (I'm not even sure Bluetooth has the throughput to support a remote display which updates in real time). However, it is very easy to falsely claim that something is "true". In fact I'll do it right now: "it is a fact that the Gamepad connects to the console via an IR port". Now, this statement would be fairly easy to fabricate support for as long as the reader doesn't do any digging. As such, if I wanted to, I could fairly easily post this fabrication on Neogaf, thus providing a source which in your world would be suitable for Wikipedia.

Incidentally, the same goes for fansites, which I think WiiUDaily would count as, and for the same reasons (far too easy for false info to slip through). In fact, the only reason many other sites are accepted is that they have set a precedent for having a reasonable level of editorial oversight, fact-checking etc. Others, such as Kotaku, are sufficiently good in some areas to be used, but not in others, and as such are situational sources.

By the way, I don't know for a fact whether or not the GamePad connects via Bluetooth, but it is fairly easy to prove that the Wii U is Bluetooth capable:

  1. Wii remotes communicate via Bluetooth
  2. The Wii U is compatible with Wii Remotes
  3. Therefore the Wii U must have Bluetooth of some description

Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Xowets, there's not much left to discuss here. It's as Alphathon and I have already said. Using reliable sources is a pretty absolute thing to follow here on Wikipedia, and it's pretty clear cut Neogaf/messageboards don't qualify. It doesn't matter how many childish names you apply to websites like IGN or GameTrailers, it doesn't change that there is consensus that they are reliable as far as Wikipedia standards goes. You seem to have a lot of issues against Wikipedia standard. I'd suggest either learning it, getting used to having your edits undone, or writing somewhere with standards closer to your own personal ones.
  • As far as "Wii U Daily", I agree it shouldn't be used. The article has been altered a ton in the last week, with everything being announced last week on the 13th, and someone slipped that in there. I just happened to catch your comments regarding Neogaf on my watchlist. (EDIT: Where is Wii U Daily used? I can't find it to remove it, unless it's already gone...) Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify ...
  • I haven't said it doesn't use Bluetooth, I meant that in all perfect case it should not be listed in the user connectivity section but as we know we cannot make custom points in infobox so an alternative would need to be made, so first of all, thank you for realizing and clarifying the use of Bluetooth as it seems this was already done while i was gone. Secondly, why patents aren't allowed as a at lease some base of this matter, ... i know stuff is not final there but taking circumstantial evidence, since all of the patents with WiiU show 2 separate controller communication modules and for like a year, it's not just one patent, it is as strong as moon in the night sky that GamePad does not use bluetooth because the separate "terminal communication module" goes throu CODEC LSI which compresses data before sending to GamePad and GamePad uncompresses data before sending to onboard display LCD. The Wi-Fi/WLAN Network communication module is also separate so that's the third thing. IR port is used for TV control i hope you know that, yeah i can gather that was an example, the reply to that would be that serious neogaf users as well as moderators DO check that and shut it down, fake stuff is always shot down and the joker banned. I have been following tech threads on gaf for more than a year now, I've seen 3 occurences when someone did a fake screenshot and then after a while admitted it was a joke he was banned the next day.
  • I haven't CLAIMED to 100% prove IEEE 802.11 use for GamePad, i've gathered research and posted that there and never claimed it's for sure because the patent says clearly they can use combinations or other methods if it proves better, it's probably secured connection with modifications that aren't compatible with the standard just like DS has the so called ni-fi, where a custom Router firmware is required to detect and intercept the signal. Here is the promotional material that puts the final nail in the Bluetooth cofin http://press.nintendo.com/wiiu (username: wiiu ;password: nintendo) in third link on the hardware list ; when I found that the backend of the GamePad shows 5GHZ mark, then I made this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42272838&postcount=3801 . Fact or no fact or whatever, Wikipedia has full verifiability for Bluetooth that is doesn't operate on 5GHz, never, far from it. Plus what has already been known for a long time is that Bluetooth doesn't nearly remotely have enough bandwidth (transfer speed) to be able to transfer video and audio as well as other data on such a level with no lag. Xowets (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"IR port is used for TV control i hope you know that, yeah i can gather that was an example, the reply to that would be that serious neogaf users as well as moderators DO check that and shut it down, fake stuff is always shot down and the joker banned. I have been following tech threads on gaf for more than a year now, I've seen 3 occurences when someone did a fake screenshot and then after a while admitted it was a joke he was banned the next day."
Yes, the IR example was absolutely not supposed to be an actual claim, but an example of how easy it is to make false claims (however unbelievable/impossible). However, the way in which you defend NeoGaf demonstrates at least one of the reasons why we can't use it as a source: regardless of what happens after it occurs, it is still possible to post erroneous information on NeoGaf. It is a forum, and so any editorial controls are used post hoc. As such, it is very easy for erroneous details (good faith or otherwise) to slip through. Your second paragraph also shows why it can't be used: your post is original research.
Essentially when dealing with forums (fora?) the "source" is the user who posted in info, not the forum itself, simply by virtue of the format. It is conceivable that a forum post could be used as a source in the same way that blogs can sometimes be used as a source, but in order to do so one would have to prove that the poster was an expert in the field (see WP:SPS). In cases such as this, only the actual engineers of the hardware would likely qualify as "experts", at least at this stage.
Also remember that there is no deadline: there is no rush to add in how the controller communicates with the console and it can certainly wait for reliable sources. However it is done, we will be able to verify it eventually.
By the way, do you know that the GamePad doesn't use Bluetooth? The sourced IGN article seems to imply that it uses bluetooth for the "controller" part and some other RF tech for the screen. However, if you really want to remove said information from the infobox then I don't suppose that's a problem (the IGN source is a tag ambiguous I have to admit). As I said, we can wait for a better source.
Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why I was in a rush was exactly because non-nintendo avreage non-tech gamer would find ANY bit thing to discredit the WiiU , as many PS360 people have not been following the tech they expect WiiU is 5-year old tech and as barely powerful as X360, I know it'll be all sorted out once the hardware get's opened up and there's proof no more words, I just wanted to help in stop spreading very unaccurate stuff so it doesn't make BS negative press such as sites who never check anything and just post random rumors. And I have to tell you nothing on neogaf or any other forum or any other gaming site is 100%, ofcourse I don't take it as such, it's just meausred in level of accuracy, and for example bluetooth for GamePad is very unlikely, to say that it's very unnacurate, there is a percentage, because most of what I deal with it's analysis of existing information, and we don't make micheael pachter-style predictions, we get out the best assumption as possible on the information we gathered and anyone could gather, it's constructive speculation, not just the stuff I posted, there was other people telling that they asked a real nintendo rep at game show about the range of the GamePad and he told them they saw one working at more than 30 yards, everyone knows bluetooth doesn't reach that far. I know it doesn't use exactly the 802.11 because as I said nintendo will do modifications which make it non-standard and incompatible with any Wi-Fi stuff. I'm just naming it like this to refeer to, because it's the closest possible term and as accurate as possible on the indications we have. I just wasn't explaining this early enough I kind of expected to have trouble getting this sourced right but it's at least something before the console gets out, I was going to provide justification and explanation before this section was made, but someone beat me to it asking about the source. Okay fine I'm not forcing to get that neogaf post cited, just keep bluetooth for Wii backward compatability only (all wii accessories), there was another guy yesterday coming to my aid (probably not noticing this talk first) saying exactly what I was explaining that Connectivity entry in infobox is too vague, so it usually means user-accessible features, but bluetooth is not a user-accessible feature on Wii nor WiiU, it's not officially recognized as a connectivity method. Can you see if there could be a custom infobox entry for specifically user-inaccessible (internal) connectivity methods, for all other devices, that would be great. Xowets (talk) 16:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also excuse english, it's worst when I have a lot on mind to say, I'm not english guy,... no, I'm not below 20yrs old.Xowets (talk) 18:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No source ever will be 100% accurate though Techni (talk) 22:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What are you inferring? The Wii U is so complex that no one source could fully understand it? Sergecross73 msg me 00:30, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that as long as we are unsure about this claim and its source, we shouldn't make the specific claim at this time. Hamez0 (talk) 02:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If that's so, then i think it's best to remove bluetooth altogether from that list, as was it said, it will not be user-accessible i am 99% sure as pointed out by others, and you don't see BT anywhere on nintendo sheets of tech specs or features. Xowets (talk) 11:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IGN is wrong, as usual, and no "consensus" will change that fact. Wikipedia kids will continue to be wrong for the sake of being wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.117.22 (talk) 18:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And you prefer the alternative, listening to random editors without any sort of proof, or random messageboard posts? This is what you believe will get you closer to the truth? Sergecross73 msg me 18:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request GPU

I request editing the GPU part in tech specs.

The Wii U may have a E6760 based GPU, but it is neither a GPGPU ("General Purpose computing on GPU", that isn't even hardware!) neither a E6760+ (which doesn't exist), neither known to be enhanced.

It is a GPGPU (Iwata himself stated as much) but not specifics about the model have been released beyond rumors.ViperEmpire (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree that despite Iwata claiming that it is a GPGPU, the term is rarely used to describe actually pieces of hardware that are capable of general purpose computing but are designed as graphics processing units and is more regularly used to discuss the field of computation that uses GPUs to perform general purpose computation. In translating what Iwata said, it would be better to describe it as a "GPGPU capable GPU" instead of what is there presently. I agree that the rumors of an E6760 are not confirmed from any reliable sources. This blog post is the best source I could find.134.173.203.14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If it's true that Iwata literally said it, then it's going to take something better than a non-notable Nintendo blog to trump that... Sergecross73 msg me 20:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I changed the language and ref to reflect nintendo's official page which calls it "AMD Radeon™-based High Definition GPU." Sailsbystars (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Locked?

Awww its Locked We Cant Edit it anymore Only the Admins Can we Cant? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by LionelTheDeal (talk • contribs) 16:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A GPGPU isn't a physical thing

Any GPU with modern unified shaders can perform GPGPU functions, a GPGPU isn't a "thing" to be inside the Wii U. I know where that came from, Iwata said the Wii U has "a GPGPU", but it's more correct to say a GPU with GPGPU capability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.212.94.15 (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

firstly if the 3rd party reliable source says that we dnt argue with it, to say different to the source would be original research. but on another note ifa gpu that does gpgpu isnt a gpgpu then what are you tryign to say it is ? because if it does something then by english defintion it is that.Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 19:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
GPGPU is a GPU feature, whatever wikipedia says about the source, it cannot change reality. Xowets (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
wikipedia can change reality if that what the sources say, we dnt make our own assumptions of what the sources say we put it as the sources does but written spo not to copyAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wii U Pro controller features

I thought I would add this after reading what was listed on the page. I believe this is one of the most important parts of the page for the fact the controller is what makes the system so expensive for Nintendo (they themselves in a financial report said it will be sold at a loss) and will only increase when someone has a chance to take on apart.

What's missing in Gamepad section that I noticed:

Gamepad has infrared light in top of controller for communication with other devices (seen this for myself on a demo unit, I'm sure this can be confirmed through another source) Ok...just checked and noticed it is included in the tech spec below its section, so maybe mention the ability to communicate with other devices using this "transceiver".

The infrared sensor strip is mentioned but not elaborated on about its use (for use with Wiimotes camera in Wii games possibly WiiU games as well) unlike the NFC sensor which is elaborated on.

The technical spec section does not specify the cameras resolution which is 1.3MP

The screen size and type is specified but not video resolution which is 854 x 480

Wii U can support two gamepads but has been reported to drop frame rates to 30FPS

and as an added note about the Pro controllers likeness to XBOX 360's....Microsoft and Nintendo were sued over their controller designs (Nintendo's Gamecube controller that is)...it was said Microsoft copied Nintendo who ripped off someone else, thus they both got sued. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.193.212 (talk) 04:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think someone should update the Wii U logo here on Wikipedia, since that is no longer the current logo of the system.

It now has a darker tone of blue instead of the more light one, in the 2011 version.

Take a look for yourselves.

--Arkhandar (talk) 14:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

target consumer?

in this article, it states that nintendo is targeting ªcoreª gamers. however,b after watching the recent ads i have reason to believe they are targeting a more broad audience. such as families. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.100.25 (talk) 02:29, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The part about core gamers is sourced and we will need another source to say otherwise before we change that and a personal analysis of adds would go against WP:OR so it can't be used. Also even if specific adds were aimed towards families does not mean that Nintendo is not aiming for the core audience as well since they could very well try to do both.--174.93.171.10 (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WiiU External Memory Usage

I think it might be worthwhile to update somehow into the information of external memory capabilities that the WiiU will not allow you to save downloaded software to a SD card. If your 8/32GB runs out you will have to purchase an external drive that utalise's USB http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/support/qa/software/index.html A translation of the relevant section can be found here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44199378&postcount=1

Q. Where is software that I purchased a download for saved to?
A. Internal memory or USB media. Download software can't be saved to the SD card.

Weeman com (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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