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Creating pages for past tennis seasons

I'm trying to create a page for Murray's 2012 season, however whenever I search for it and try and create it, I just get redirected to the main page, and the #2012 section. How do I create a new page with this title, and stop it redirecting to the main Andy Murray page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetradge (talk • contribs) 00:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use this link; http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Andy_Murray_tennis_season&redirect=no
Are you sure there's a need for such an article? It would have to be more than just a repeat of the existing section. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
His 2012 season was a very significant one for Murray, so I think it would be good to have a proper documentation of the events that occurred during said season.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetradge (talk • contribs) 00:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking dates

The ATP published its rankings on mondays, so please don´t change the date for current ranking to march 31. Murray will be number 2 on Monday April 1st. Please check this link, all dates are mondays ATP Rankings. --186.15.168.92 (talk) 19:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic categorisation

Andy Murray is not an 'Anglo-Scot', as defined by Wikipedia: ie, English people of Scottish descent. And once again, if we must have these ludicrous categories, then I suggest some stringent guidelines be introduced to maintain consistency in defining one's ethnic profile. And Murray is no more English than Princess Diana was Scottish ( in that both had a grandparent from England and Scotland respectively ) but the latter curiously enough, the so-called English Rose, is not included in the category 'English people of Scottish descent'; nor are her two sons who have both maternal and paternal great grandmothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.250.201 (talk) 17:26, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard if the term "Anglo-Scot" before and there seems to be no clear definition of it. He may have English ancestry, but that doesn't make him Anglo-Scottish indeed. Perhaps remove it if one wishes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.108.233 (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon Ramsay is described as British and not Scottish and Wiki Nazis state that this must not be changed as Scotland has no sovereignty. Strange how the rules change from article to article. There is no rhyme or reason to this joke of a site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.143.127.211 (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So you pick one example of a Scot being described as British and use that to justify changing English to British on certain articles? Last time I checked just about every single Scottish person on this wiki was described as Scottish. You pick ONE example and cry about it. Just stop your silly crusade, it's pathetic. Let me be very clear that I would defend any article against British Neo-imperialistic arguments such as "Scotland/England/NI/Wales aren't countries and therefor English/Scottish/NI/Welsh nationality doesn't exist", but you utterly disgraced your argument with your edit on Ellie Goulding which has now been reverted. The people who want to change everything to British on this wiki also want to do it to everyone English, but you just have double-standards. --Somchai Sun (talk) 13:15, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Diana wasn't English or Scottish, she was British. Likewise, Andy Murray is British. There is no such nationality as Scottish or English, unless and until independence. I tried to neutralise this completely by using "a professional tennis player from Scotland" rather than "a Scottish professional tennis player" but even this was immediately changed back to insist on his Scottish nationality. #thoughtpolice #1984 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwcw182 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a Wikipedia article, not a passport. It describes people in the way that is most informative and clearest to the reader. So your opinions about what is, and isn't, a nationality make absolutely no difference. I've already asked you to read WP:UKNATIONALS, which discusses this difficult issue and there has been extensive debate about this over the years on this very page. Consensus has been to list him as British in the info box (as this is the country he represents in tennis) and Scottish in the lead, noting also his British ranking. This also ties in neatly with his own self identification discussed later in the article.
This consensus may not please you, or everyone, but consensuses are sometimes about making compromises. Repeatedly sticking your personal preference into the lead after it has been reverted will not get the article to change. Only discussion might do that. I would, however, plead with you to read at least some of the exhaustive discussion about this in the talk archives. It would save everyone a great deal of time if you didn't just repeat the arguments that have been had a dozen times before. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 22:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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