User talk:Mark Arsten

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Ayaan Chawla article deletion.

Hello Mark sir, I have created a article about a kid named Ayaan Chawla who owned well known companies in Asia, but the article has been deleted. So i would like to request you to restore the article, as you are administrator. But if you want to contact please. And i am reading articles on Wikipedia since 2004 and i found many articles which are related like this kid and i also work as i am professional but i haven't seen any 16yrs kid who is doing this type of things since he was 10yrs. Will be waiting for your reply sir.

Regards

Ron Gates —Preceding undated comment added 09:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Since there seemed to be a consensus on the Afd, you'll have to go to WP:DRV to have the deletion overturned. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

AFD - Robert Brydges

Hi,

The AFD you relisted now seems to have reached a consensus of merge, and the merge has been performed. Can you please now close the AFD discussion and blank/redirect the article in question to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Wants_to_Be_a_Millionaire%3F_%28UK_game_show%29#Robert_Brydges_.2829_September_2001.29 .

Thanks, Benboy00 (talk) 13:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok,  Done Mark Arsten (talk) 16:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

AFT5 Cat

Please see this discussion re your deletion which has been going on before you deleted the cat.Blethering Scot 16:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that. I'll restore it if you think the deletion was controversial. Should I do so? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Ayaan Chawla

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ayaan Chawla. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Chris Brown move

As a consequence of the move of Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown a large number of redirects now go to the wrong place e.g. Chris Brown (soccer), Chris Brown (American politician) etc. Please be aware! Happy editing. Tassedethe (talk) 04:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let User:Hahc21 know since he carried out the move. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:59, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice that, all those protection changes distracted me. Thanks! Tassedethe (talk) 05:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, uh, what was the point of that? Why didn't you just move the page yourself? And whichever one of you and Hahc21 (talk · contribs) who was intended to address the move request, please close it properly. -- tariqabjotu 15:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

He requested the pages be unprotected for the move on WP:RFPP so I did so. I guess I could have moved it myself, but I thought he was going to handle closing the RM and double redirects and so on so I left it for him. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I will take care of all that today. I had to suddently leave PC after doing the move. Apologies. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 16:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

No prob, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Gadji (Band)

Hi..

just wondering why the Gadji (Band) page was deleted so soon as I had clearly indicated that archive video footage among other reference's were about to appear... As soon as people offered help pointing out how to improve the the entry according to the Wiki band guidelines, the entry was updated in line with the guidelines asap. I looked at the appeal section for deletion which suggested I open a discussion with the administrator involved first... I assume this is the right place to do this ? ... Kind Regards. John kirk (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but it seems like the consensus there was pretty clear, so I won't undelete it. You can apply for undeletion at WP:DRV though if you'd like. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Considerable changes were made to the entry Gadji (Band) following the constructive criticism offered on the Gadji (Band) deletion discussion page for Gadji (Band) .... Following all the changes, No more constructive criticism was offered on the discussion page as a majority of the issues appeared to have been addressed. Such as a plethora of references and an abundance of additional notable aspects... All of which were not in place when the majority of consensus you interpreted was made. The consensus you read (about 4 constructive comments) related to the article prior to the issues been addressed. And... additionally, as I pointed out above, more reference's to the encyclopaedic notability of the entry was on the way from various Non-internet sources which required a little more time to compile, such as Video tape to digital conversion of television footage. It really would be fair (in my opinion) on reflection to award time (as requested in the original discussion) for additional material, references, and the luxury of more time for others to come forward and contribute by restoring the entry as a Stub article. I had in mind to ask someone who had helped with another entry to then help to order the entry more concisely when everything was in place. Kind Regards .. (I know its a tough job) John kirk (talk) 05:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that you were the only one who wanted it kept, and there was a consensus against your position. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Constructive comments led to the entry to become considerably updated... No comments for or against were submitted after the considerable updates to the entry.... the consensus you read related to the entry prior to the changes. Im sure people would find it difficult to challenge the entry in its up to date form. (of which I still have many more historical and current additions of noteworthiness to apply.... setting the article back to a stub would allow this. Kind Regards John kirk (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Any updates on your position after the recent illumination above ? Kind Regards John kirk (talk) 01:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

AfD question

I would like to ask you to reconsider your decision on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenneth Durham. While you are correct in that there was no consensus in the plain sense of the word on the deletion discussion, the lack of consensus was not compatible with Wikipedia policies. What I mean is, all but one of the "keep" commenters made arguments that have no basis in Wikipedia policy or guidelines. They simply asserted that inclusion in a specific book automatically renders an individual notable. As far as I know, Wikipedia never defers judgments about interpreting our policies/guidelines to external sources. As such, I would argue that none of those comments should carry any weight when measuring the consensus. And the consensus of the remaining editors in the discussion is that the subject of the article does not meet WP:GNG or any topic specific notability guideline. As such, I do not believe that a decision of no consensus is consistent with deletion policy. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

You raise an interesting point, and I'm not 100% sure how to proceed here. I guess to me it would depend on how selective that one book is in terms of who they list. I think in the past we've generally held that inclusion in a print encyclopedia is enough evidence to prove notability. They seem to be making a similar argument here. I have mixed feelings about the strength of their !votes. Since this was closed as "No consensus", perhaps it would just be best to renominate? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

If I renominate, I believe it fairly likely that ARS will show up again with the same arguments. I could go into the details on the book (some of it was covered on the AfD), but I hesitate to make it seem like I'm pushing you into making a supervote. I'll think on the matter...if I took it to DRV, I'm pretty sure they'd just re-list it as well, so I guess renominating would at least avoid that problem. Probably the "safest" thing is to let it sit for a few months (who knows--maybe someone will introduce new sources in that time), then renominate, and reference both the prior discussion and this discussion thread here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

A favor!

Hey Mark, how are you? It's been a while. Anyway, I need a favor from you. Can you please protect Talk That Talk (Rihanna song) from IP's so they can not edit it? One IP constantly adds the genre of R&B with FAC unreliable sources (I plan to bring it to FAC soon). Thank you and cheers! — Tomíca^(T2ME) 12:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I protected for a week. I can protect for longer if they keep it up after the protection expires. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will inform you if there are issue with it. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 14:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Chelsea Manning

Sorry, didn't mean to tread on your toes - I thought you were only meaning to enforce the move protection, but upping the text protection doesn't affect that at all.

(I'm actually surprised and pleased that text vandalism hasn't been a problem today.) - David Gerard (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

You might be right about the protection. But it pisses me off when someone reverts an admin action of mine without talking to me first though. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll take more care! - David Gerard (talk) 15:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Exari Wikipedia Page

Hi Mark,

I noticed that my company's (Exari) wikipedia page was deleted. Would you be able to guide me how to improve it, so we can have it posted again? Thank you in advance!

Kind Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkpeneva (talk • contribs) 20:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, we usually discourage people from writing about their company per our WP:COI rules. If you were to try to get it restored, you would want to make a draft of the article in your userspace, see WP:USERSPACEDRAFT for details. You would have to make sure sure you cited lots of detailed coverage of the company that was in reliable sources in your draft. See WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:RS, & WP:CITE. Then you would go to WP:DRV and ask for the deletion to be overturned and your draft added as an article. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, Mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkpeneva (talk • contribs) 12:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Enasaha

I guess I should have moved it over redirect instead of deleting it. Thanks. I'll know for next time. And thanks for salting it. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

No prob, you're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Nihang protection

Hi, I noticed that you protected this page. The only prob here is the last editor before you is a sockpuppet of User talk:Amanbir Singh Grewal, and User talk:Amanbir Singh, and of User talk:Mokshanine. and who knows, maybe countless others. I've given you links to his talkpages as they are easier to get an idea from, and he doesn't appear to have any homepages. I wonder whether you could return it to the previous edit, as I for some reason don't appear to be able to do so? Many thanks. Brendandh (talk) 11:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused, why can't you edit the page? This doesn't make sense to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope, when I try to undo the unconstructive reverts of Ip:117.236.116.179, (who incidentally is a Sockpuppet of User talk:Amanbir Singh Grewal, amongst others, and who I came across in quite another matter) it won't allow me! Been an editor since 2006ish and have no interest in admin-ing but content. I don't like vandals, so have rollback ability, but neither of those seem to work. I would have to roll back your protection, and then undo which may land me in hot water with the powers that be, or do manually, which is tedious, especially in a subject that I have no interest in! Regards Brendandh (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You can roll back past my protection if you want. It won't unprotect the article, it will just remove the icon. If you re-add the icon when you're done there will be no problems. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Yup. Having a Luke in the swamp moment! Wilco! Brendandh (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Pulpo Media

Hi, I noticed that you delete this page. I don't undertand what's the problem about this page. I have wrote on the discution page about that but nobody answer it. I really need this page online and I toke other wiki articles like examples to make it. I had put external references, etc.... Please, I need an anwer. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sivulina (talk • contribs) 14:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

This editor asked me about Justin Kuykendall, which appears to have been bundled into the Pulpo Media AFD. I deleted it after the fact when it showed up on WP:BADAFD as an article with a tag for a closed AFD. If you didn't intend for your closure to include that article, I can undelete and re-nominate - whatever works for you. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean to delete Justin Kuykendall, since User:DGG didn't intend for it to be bundled. I should have addressed it in my close though, my mistake there. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I've undeleted and relisted it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Kuykendall (2nd nomination). Thanks! UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 20:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

User:LudicrousTripe

As you seem to already have a rapport with this user, could you please review their comments on my talk page?--v/r - TP 18:51, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not acceptable--blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.--v/r - TP 19:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

An attack kitten for you!

An attack kitten for you!

Demiurge M has given you an attack kitten! Attack kittens help promote Wiki-chaos, and are immune to most landmines due to their minimal weight. Attack kittens do not appreciate saucers of milk, but instead prefer to sink their little fangs into warm living flesh; so set your attack kitten on a socked blockpuppet or similar target today! (Less Chelsea time may mean more time for our merry cadre of ban-evaders) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

LOL, thanks Demi! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Copyediting

I've tried to copyedit and prepare otaku for FA levels, but I lack experience to copyedit effectively, and perhaps have made some rather simple oversights. I was hoping you could mentor me in the art of copyediting. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure, sounds pretty interesting, I'll give it a copyedit. A good place to start your copyediting journey is by reading User:Tony1/Redundancy_exercises:_removing_fluff_from_your_writing. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I started by printing it out and trying to remove as much redundancy, but I was lacking a good guide. I'll go through this while you are taking a peek at the article. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:41, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

It might take me a day or two to get there, but I'll try to do it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

RFPP

First of all Mark, I would like to express my dissatisfaction with what happened earlier today with that unjust block when we both know you were just trying to help out the article, and used your right as an Administrator to do that. You can believe that I was in the process of writing up responses here and at ANI, if it was not for the edit conflicts due to uproar that the blocks resulted in. I am really happy the issue did not discourage you and you are still very active at RFPP, which I have not been able to express how thankful I am for. I really appreciate the work you do for Wikipedia! On the issue though, you protected Ryback (wrestler) only for a week when it has been protected 5 times previously in the last eight months, including a PC trial where the majority of the edits were rejected. This page has been a major BLP vandalism target for many months, so I think a longer protection period would definitely be better. STATic message me! 02:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your support. Always good to have people like you helping out. You are right about Ryback, usually I look for past protections but it must have slipped my mind when doing that one, so I've extended it. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright thanks again Mark, see you around. STATic message me! 02:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Another thing, when you moved Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown you did not move the protection settings correctly. As I can tell from this it was semi-protected indefinitely, and you only protected it for three more days after the move. It just got unprotected, and this needs to be fixed before the sure BLP vandalism pops up. STATic message me! 18:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Got it. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

can we get the reconstruct permission?

Hello Sir ... ref. Shekhar Gurera, may be due to not been touched the Notability guidelines or some modification error while editing it due to fully unawareness of DOs & DONTs etc ... can you please allow us to reconstruct the page with the same name as per the guidelines ... or it can be a English translation of the same http://hi.wikipedia.org/s/6wrk --Gurera (talk) 09:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved the article to your userspace, User:Gurera/Shekhar Gurera, as a draft (WP:USERSPACEDRAFT) so you can add citations to reliable sources (per WP:V). Please note that press releases and blogs do not qualify as reliable per our standards. Once you have the article fully sourced with citations to significant coverage of the group (WP:GNG), you can apply to have it reinstated at WP:DRV. Also, please be mindful of our WP:COI rules. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

ok sir .. thanks a lot .. we'll take proper time .. nothing to hurry .. we already saved this text from u, we'll do accordingly after reading proper guidelines .. the only doubt we have abt the "citations to reliable sources", if some contents is more than a decade old history, its a rare chance to find it .. those days keeping online archive was a rare phenomenon .. instead v already hav origional hard copies (It can also be in the form of scanned copy) of the certificates / newspaper cuttings / documents / photographs / videos etc .. this can also b provided if needed .. v need your kind cooperation in the form of a seniors help to make this article perfect to publish :) ... regards --Gurera (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Well actually, a source doesn't need to be online to be used. You just have to provide enough information when citing it. See Wikipedia:Offline sources for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mark Arsten!

Hello Mark Arsten, I was going through Wikipedia Requested Articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/People_in_business and I saw some requests and in that I found about a person called Ayaan Chawla and other and when I saw the page I found that it was created by a editor previously and deleted by you, so is that article can be recreated, in any new manner? Benjohnson61 (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, I see you just started editing yesterday afternoon. What made you decide to focus on creating this particular article so soon? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mark Arsten, actually I was going through requested articles to get started, and on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/People_in_business first name of person i found Ayaan Chawla. Benjohnson61 (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Just out of curiosity, have you ever edited Wikipedia before? You seem pretty skilled for a one-day old account. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:07, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have already edited some article. Edited till yesterday : Haat Bihu : References added. Riga Merchant Guild : Raised for deletion. Benjohnson61 (talk) 17:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

May I know why you are asking these details? Benjohnson61 (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Your request is somewhat unusual, that's all. Most new users take a while before trying to get articles like this undeleted. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I got your email and replied back, Spartaz blocked Benjohnson while I blocked another sock of his and create protected two more of his spam targets. Hopefully that should take care of this minor inconvience. Secret ^account 01:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, just got it, thanks for your help on this! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Aam Aadmi Party

After you page protected Aam Aadmi Party to admins-only, I can't seem to edit the Talk page of the article and get a server 500 message whenever I try to save my comments (I've been trying regularly over a 3 hour period). I can save edits to my User page though. Is this a program feature at Wikipedia or is it just me ? TheWikiIndian (talk) 18:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

• A server error (such as HTTP error 5XX or 7XX) generally has nothing to do with protection (unless the protection somehow screwed up everything and server is failing to take instruction and communicate with the user's computer and thus showing "internal server error" message). Tito☸Dutta 08:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, but I have no idea what could e causing that. WP:VPT might be a good place to ask for help. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

How to set up article feedback now?

Hi, Mark,

I see you archived the previous page about using a category to enable article feedback on Wikipedia articles. I think there is a new way to do that, but searching Wikipedia hasn't revealed to me what the new way is. How does an editor who watches a page regularly enable reader feedback on that page? Thanks for any tips you can provide. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) On the left side of the page, under "Toolbox," there's a link that says "Enable feedback." Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Booton AFD review

Hello Mark. You have just concluded that my first article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Booton (actor) should be deleted . Could you please advise me where I can find the source code so as to improve the article for possible future consideration?

Also, could you please provide an answer to the request by davidwr (the AFC reviewer who initially accepted the submission) when he request the following: "Note to the closing admin: This should only be deleted if either he fails WP:ENT (I contend that he passes WP:ENT, but that's obviously open to interpretation and discussion) or if he passes WP:ENT and is therefore presumed to be notable, but someone takes the trouble to do a deep search for evidence of notability and comes up dry or mostly dry. I am requesting that if the article is deleted, the closing admin specify whether, in his opinion of the consensus, the person fails WP:ENT or, despite passing WP:ENT, has been shown to fail WP:N. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)"?

Thank you for you consideration. Papawazo (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

If you'd like, I can undelete the article and move it into your userspace for you to work on. Then maybe you can get the deletion overturned if you find new sources or if he gets more roles. As the the question about WP:ENT: it's possible for someone to reach a specific guideline like ENT and still be deleted if there's a consensus that he fails the general notability guideline, WP:GNG. That doesn't happen very often, but people are allowed to make that case in discussions and as the closing admin I judge things based on the consensus that people in the discussion have come to, not my personal opinion. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Mark: I'm the one that asked for the closing admin to be explicit as to whether this subject failed WP:ENT or if he was one of those rare "false positives" that passed the subject-specific guideline and was therefore presumed to be notable but on further inspection was not. If you could go back and clarify your reasons for closing, it would prevent future issues. By the way, even though I was asked to come here (see User talk:Davidwr#AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Booton (actor)) I had it in my mind to ask you to do this even before Papawazo asked me to. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

To both Mark and Papawazo: The fact that this went from passing through AFC only to immediately fail at AFD is my fault - I obviously was too quick to accept this submission. I'm human, I occasionally make mistakes, please accept my apology for wasting time at AFD instead of handing the notability issues inside the AFC process. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, only one delete !vote specifically felt that he failed ENT, the other three seemed to think that he failed general notability. (Their language wasn't that precise though). Mark Arsten (talk) 15:03, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Order of the Eagle of Georgia and the Seamless Tunic of Our Lord Jesus Christ

Hello, Mark! I created an article on "The Order of the Eagle of Georgia and the Seamless Tunic of Our Lord Jesus Christ" which I now realize is a topic for which you deleted an article a few years ago. Would you look at mine and make sure it meets your criteria? I don't know what the original article looked like, but I hope that the new one is ok. Thanks! Nick Nicholson RomanetNYC —Preceding undated comment added 01:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually, you should have asked me before recreating the article. It may be deleted as the recreation of a deleted article. I'll see if the person who nominated the previous version of this article, User:Ravenswing, approves of the current version first though. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:41, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

No more so than the original, truth be told. My nom for the previous iteration was "Non-notable faux order created by members of a self-appointed Royal House of Georgia. Sourced only to that organization's website and to the article creator's blog. No news hits, no Scholar hits, Google search dominated by Wiki mirrors and heraldry blogs. Fails the GNG." I'm quite happy to nominate this one for deletion in like fashion, seeing as this "order" hasn't become any more notable over the last year. Ravenswing 06:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I think renominating it might be a better idea than a G4 deletion, considering that a couple editors have protested the first deletion. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

extending block of 203.184.40.73

I hope you don't mind, but since 203.184.40.73 (talk · contribs) has a solid record of vandalism dating back a year, I reblocked for a month, up from your 31 hour block. —EncMstr (talk) 01:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all, looks like that was my mistake, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Special When Lit (album)

How is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Special When Lit (album) a keep? There was not a single credible keep !vote in there. Baseless accusation of vandalism and a personal attack on the nominator and a vague claim of inherited notability. A lie about it being well sourced and other stuff exists. A keep with no reason only if sources were added (they weren't). duffbeerforme (talk) 03:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Mark: I wasn't watching this or I would've echoed Erpert's comment, which was really "delete/merge UNLESS other sources are added." The two editors who said "strong keep" did not provide relevant arguments to keep these articles. In fact, Mrmoustache14's rhetorical question suggests that all of this artist's albums should be reviewed for notability, and only those that are notable should be kept. If I had been the closing admin I would've downplayed the "strong keep" !votes because they didn't really provide any argument for notability but closed it as as "no consensus" rather than "delete" mainly due to the polarized opinions and the low participation, plus Erpert's choice to phrase his !vote as "weak keep, but only if..." rather than the equivalent statement of "delete, unless..." (in other words, I'm not brave enough to make the bold call to delete in a case like this, where the strength of the arguments favored deletion but more people wanted to keep the article than delete it).

The key difference between closing as keep and closing as no consensus is that a no-consensus close does not prevent a quick second AFD for the same reason. Quickly renominating after a plain-old "keep" for the same reason is generally considered disruptive. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Msg for Duffbeerforme: To prevent future nominations of this artist's works, please improve the articles so they clearly indicate that they meet either WP:GNG or WP:ALBUM, remembering that notability of music is generally not inherited from the notability of its composers, songwriters, performers, etc. (famous artists such as The Beatles are arguably excluded, but that doesn't apply here). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking at it again, that does look more like a no consensus than a keep. I've amended my close on the Afd. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for having another look. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edits to Ryback page

I find it hard to see why you reverted many of my edits made, seeing that much of what I had added, such as the moves, have been what he had done, so I don't see how it is vandalism. And as for the information on him, you have obviously not watched it recently, as he had turned heel and has a bully gimmick, I see no reason why this is vandalism and I demand a proper explanation. None of what I did can be considered vandalism.

Thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.240.218 (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

What edits are you referring to? It doesn't look like you've edited that page with this IP. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Understood

I sent report to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Hassan Rouhani 2. --HistorNE (talk) 15:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks, that's a great place to go for more input. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Dominique Young Unique

Could you delete the above redirect, move Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dominique Young Unique there and then restore all its revisions?--Launchballer 16:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done, no problem. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the semiprotection on Albania–Yugoslav border incident. Socks never sleep, alas. bobrayner (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

No, they sure don't! Hey, maybe sometime soon you'll be able to help out with the RFPP queue :) Mark Arsten (talk) 17:18, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

You flatter me; sadly I don't have the wit, patience, and devastating good looks that all admins are required to demonstrate at RfA. bobrayner (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Understandable, some Rfas really are brutal experiences. If you do run, though, I recommend waiting until two other candidates are running as well. It might just be a superstition, but it worked in my case. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Question About Article on Hbmdb

Hi i wrote an article on a website by keeping in view of the page Bollywod hungama but my article was tagged A7 and G11 although it was much more informative then this one. can you guide me which specific words you feel like are promotional stuff Any suggestions?

I don't think that really qualified as a G11, but the A7 was probably valid. The issue is: you didn't explain why the site is notable or important. Why does it deserve an article? How important of a website is it? Have people written about the site? See WP:NWEB for the kind of information we need to see to keep an article. The WP:Teahouse is also a good place to ask for advice. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

List of massacres in Turkey

Hello, I am writing this to you in order to inform you that some Turkish-related articles have for quite some time been hijacked by a group of editors whose only goal, it seems, is to negatively portray the Republic of Turkey, its predesseccors and its people as warmongerming murderers. This has especially become a problem in the article of List of massacres in Turkey where they only allow information about Turks killing others, and delete all reliabely sourced information about massacres against Turks/Muslims. By doing WP:OR, discrediting sources and authors, source falsification, distortion and tag bombing.

Sources which state the number of Muslims casualties during the Greco-Turkish war is persistently being deleted.

Your help is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.77.28 (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. If you're unable to come to a consensus there, then you could consider other dispute resolution steps (WP:DR). Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Une-bloque

Thanks for your offer to unblock early, I appreciate it. Yintan  23:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure, looks like someone beat me to it though. You do so much for the project, the last thing we need is to have you out of commission! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Kelly Lovell

Hey Mark,

Just got your message. I noticed that the awards section was criticized for not having any citations. I had added those to compensate for the message at the top of the page, claiming it to be unsupported. Let me know if there is another way to fix this. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.144.240 (talk) 00:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh sorry about that, I hadn't noticed your earlier edits. I thought you were just removing the messages at the top of the page for no reason. My mistake. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)