Talk:Republic of Kosovo

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Update to include Pakistani recognition in the SVG

Please update to include the fact Pakistan recognises it in the SVG image showing recognition.

Pakistan has recognized the independence of the self-proclaimed Republic of Kosovo, the Pakistani Foreign Ministry says. The Office noted the decision was taken in line with the aspirations of the people of Kosovo. Formerly an autonomous province in Yugoslavia, Kosovo became independent on February 17, 2008. Pakistan is the 98th UN state to recognize Kosovo as an independent country. http://rt.com/news/line/2012-12-24/#id42308

Post Brussels Serbia recognition of Kosovo autonomy

Had to make edits because Serbia has agreed and Kosovo Serbs agreed to abolish all links and autonomy and now pristina has complete dictatorial powers even amazingly appointing police commanders of Serb areas. Serbia has officially designated dejan pavicevic it's ambassadorial laison officer to Kosovo.Qwerty786 (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

"Dictatorial" may not be the best word. bobrayner (talk) 01:29, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

what is a good word? Anyway I'm just glad the article reflects the post Brussels reality that causing a surge of recognitions worldwide in many ways. Kosovo has Serbia to thank for FIFA Facebook so many new countries recognitions and its eu talks. Qwerty786 (talk) 07:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

"Governmental" is the word I would use. --Khajidha (talk) 14:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Also, where has Serbia said that Pavicevic is an ambassador? I am not looking for another of your OR/SYN posts where you say "But Pavicevic has the following powers that are usually associated with ambassadors, thus he is an ambassador", those conclusions are your own and not the position of the Serbian government. Again, where has any Serbian source EXPLICITLY described Pavicevic as an ambassador? Pavicevic himself has stated that he is NOT an ambassador (http://inserbia.info/news/2013/10/i-am-not-ambassador-to-kosovo-as-it-is-not-a-state-dejan-pavicevic/), so where is your proof that he is? --Khajidha (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

yes pavicevic calls himself a liaison officer and brags how well his Albanian language courses are going and I use the term liaison officer but ambassadorial is how I preface it and its correct. You would say liaison officer is ambassadorial right? Qwerty786 (talk) 07:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't. An ambassador is someone who is specifically appointed to the position of the same name. A "liaison officer" is appointed to the post of that name. Why is it so hard for you to understand that your interpretation of the nature of the post of liaison officer is only your interpretation and is of no validity? The Serbian government determines who its own ambassadors are and the Serbian government says that Pavicevic isn't one. End of story. --Khajidha (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Now at Talk:Kosovo (region)#Requested move. – Fayenatic London 15:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Edits to the introduction

I'm proposing some edits to the introduction to remove small things that, in my mind, violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view. Per the notifications attached to the article, I am discussing my rationale here. For example, it seems unnecessary to stress the government controls all of the Kosovo region (because this is the rule for most countries). That Kosovo's status is disputed should be mentioned before the amount of UN states that support it is cited, because diplomatic recognition is not important for countries commonly recognized as sovereign. (We do not put in the introduction for e.g. the United Kingdom.) Placing this figure first stresses Kosovo's recognition. Use of the term "claimed Serbian Autonomous Province" is redundant in context, because the sentence discusses the disputed status, and "claimed" implies a degree of doubt about the claim. Additionally, a line about the Brussels Agreement is best moved to the second paragraph, which also discusses it. Lastly, a second mention of the amount of states that have recongized Kosovo seems unnecessary for the lead. In short, the intro is now tilted slightly towards Kosovar sovereignty, and this can be changed without conveying any less information to readers. My proposed version:

The Republic of Kosovo /ˈkɒsəvoʊ, -ˈkoʊ-/ (Albanian: Republika e Kosovës; Serbian: Република Косово / Republika Kosovo) is the government and civil authority administering the region of Kosovo in the Balkan Peninsula of Southeastern Europe. Its status is disputed; it is recognised as a sovereign state by 114 UN member states. Its largest city and capital is Pristina. Kosovo is landlocked and is bordered by the Republic of Macedonia to the south, Albania to the west and Montenegro to the northwest. The nature of the remaining line of demarcation is the subject of controversy — seen by proponents of Kosovan independence as the Kosovo-Serbia border and seen by opponents of the independence as the boundary between Central Serbia and the Serbian Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.

After a failure to produce results from non-violent resistance to Serbian rule from 1990, and an armed insurgency by Albanians from 1997 to 1999, NATO launched a 78-day assault on FR Yugoslavia to halt the war in Kosovo. In 1999 the United Nations through UNMIK began overseeing the administration of the province after a UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution. On 17 February 2008 Kosovo's Parliament declared independence, as the "Republic of Kosovo", which has received recognition from some sovereign states. With the Brussels agreement Serbia recognised the secession of Kosovo and its autonomy from Serbia but does not formally recognise it as an independent country. Under the Brussels Agreement, public institutions in Kosovo are operated by the Pristina government, rather than Belgrade.

The Republic of Kosovo is a member of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, International Road and Transport Union (IRU), Regional Cooperation Council, Council of Europe Development Bank and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Within the European Union, 23 of 28 members have recognised the Republic.

Knight of Truth (talk) 18:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Saying "the boundary between Central Serbia and the Serbian Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija" implies that ASPofKiM exists, when it only exists in name. We don't want to be misleading our readers/ audience into thinking that something de facto exists, when it doesn't. IJA (talk) 09:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Whether APKIM is currently viable is not relevant to the statement at hand, the distinction being made is between the two different definitions in law (ROK's and Serbia's). If Kosovo were to return to Serbian control, that border would be that of APKIM. --Khajidha (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree that use of the term "claimed" can provide clarity, but I think it is simply unnecessary in this case. As Khajidha notes, the sentence discusses a matter of law and not a matter of de facto control, so the distinction is redundant. We could add "claimed" in front of either the province or republic, but it adds information to neither. Knight of Truth (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I like your revision. The only problem I have is that you need rephrase the last sentence so that it doesn't start with a numeral. --Khajidha (talk) 13:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Knight of Truth (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

FAQ

The FAQ is outdated and should be amended or removed from articles. --Khajidha (talk) 13:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, it needs updating and looking at. What do you propose? IJA (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I'd recommend removing it until we see what questions come up. --Khajidha (talk) 16:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I'd agree with that. It seems to have been written post-hoc to defend a rather dubious position - and implemented by somebody instrumental in vote-rigging and canvassing. Our articles should not be tainted with that. bobrayner (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

speedy closed, retracted by proposer
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I propose this page be moved to → Republic of Kosovo, and Kosovo (region) be moved to → Kosovo. Reason: 1) WP:NPOV Kosovo is a disputed territory, unilaterally declared as independent without consent of Serbian majority in the northern part of this region. English is not spoken only in countries that have recognised so-called "Republic of Kosovo", but in other countries in the world as well, including two countries with highest population (India and China), Russia (biggest country), and they view Kosovo as a part of Serbia. If we have article under name "Kosovo" about a geographical location, and not self declared not fully recognised "state", it is definitely more neutral, than to present only Albanian nationalistic side. Note: this is not pro-Serbian. Pro-Serbian would be if we had an article "Kosovo" that talks about Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija. 2) Factual inaccuracy. Kosovo is only one part of a wider region called Kosovo and Metohija, Kosovo comprises western part and Metohija eastern part of that land.[3] So displaying Kosovo as both Metohija and Kosovo is incorrect. Alex discussion ★ 19:09, 29 March 2014 (UTC) Reliable sources, and the consensus here, disagree with you. You know that. This nonsense about the "Albanian nationalistic side" and APKIM can be safely ignored on en.wikipedia, even if it's accepted on sr.wikipedia. bobrayner (talk) 15:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC) Comment: This move request does not follow Wikipedia:Requested moves and should be speedy closed. Nominator should be blocked for canvassing (i.e. diff and diff) --Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC) 1) Since when are China, Russia or even India PRIMARILY English speaking regions? Yes, people all over the world can speak/read English, but it is the usage of native speakers in primarily English speaking regions that set the standards. 2) In English, Kosovo has been used for years to mean the entire "Kosovo and Metohija" region. It is not incorrect, it is simply the standard usage in English. --Khajidha (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if moving from Republic of Kosovo to Kosovo was a good idea, asking for reliable sources evidence for name usage

I'm not sure if the move to this title was a good idea considering the disputed status of Kosovo, though there are the cases of Taiwan (the Republic of China) and China (the People's Republic of China) here. I'm not sure that the Republic of Kosovo has been around long enough to justify WP:COMMONNAME via reliable sources (i.e. scholarly, peer-reviewed material).

Therefore my question is what do reliable sources define "Kosovo" as? The Republic or the region or other explanations?--74.12.195.248 (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)