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Your map

Hello your map is very nice but Epirus and MAcedon mapare Greek kingdoms not illyrian and Thracian.

• Quote: "these conclusions to the evidence of archaeology, the following picture emerges. The first Greek-speaking peoples settled in Macedonia, Thessaly, and Epirus after c. 2500, and in these areas they developed different dialects". A History of Greece to 322 B.C.by N. G. L. Hammond .ISBN-10: 0198730950,page 56,1986
• Mind correcting it?[1]Megistias (talk) 09:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

This as well.[2]Megistias (talk) 09:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Epirus also was a Spartan ally."Kagan, Donald. A New History of the Peloponnesian War, 1991, p. 107, ISBN 0801495563. Not long after the events in Thrace the Chaonians and Ambraciots proposed that the Spartans organise a fleet of 1,000 hoplites from among their allies and attack Acarnania...Chaonians guaranteed the Spartans enthusiastic allies."Megistias (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

your map: Carthaginianempire.PNG

Hi, your map of the Punic wars is very good but lacks some parts of the key: what are the red, orange and yellow sections? Would you mind inserting the extra detail? Thanks Robpenney (talk) 19:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Mughal Historical Map.png

Could you please mention the source of this map? This map clearly shows large part of present day Nepal under Mughal Empire. However, the then states which formed modern Nepal were independent and never under Mughal empire according to all historical sources here in Nepal. Thanks--Eukesh (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hittites

Hi, Thanks for the Map of Hittites. But comparing the map with its source I found some differences. (For example the source excludes Aegean coast.) Do you have a second source? Have a good day. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC).

~ I would like to add that Hanigalbat was never under Hittite occupation. Bryce (your source) clearly mentions this. Additionally, you could take a look in Harrak - Hanigalbat and Assyria or Grayson - RIMA I on the Assyrian inscriptions concerning Hanigalbat. - xxx a shy Hurrian

- Some minor suggestions for correction on the 3rd version of the Hittite map: Malatya/Melid is placed way too north than actual location. Tegarama(Modern day Gürün) also needs to be placed a bit north. Location of Karadag is way too east. It is actually very close to Kizildag, just to the south of it. There are many locations named Karadag (Black Mountain) in Turkey, so causes confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.234.151.110 (talk) 15:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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March 2010

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to the page Hittite Empire. Such edits constitute vandalism and are reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 00:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to vandalize the page. I have been making very constructive edits to Hittite articles, providing a new map and rewriting most of the article myself. Yea i messed up there but i fixed it quickly, im not sure why you have to be so threatening, especially when im working so hard on improving content.

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Map of Carthaginian territory

Dear Javierfv1212

Your map File:Carthaginianempire.PNG isn't well researched and has several grave errors for this reason. The violet terrory is by no means in any sources the Cartheginian territory after the Second Punic War, it's the territory BEFORE the Third Punic War because ever since the Second the Numidians had been successfully encroaching until Carthage could no longer feed the population. Some years earlier they still had lots of wheat and badtasting olive oil they wanted to donate to the Romans. The map of Carthage's conquest in Spain is also not quite correct. They had a strong alliance with the Lusitanians and their hold to the center was expanded to Madrid by Hannibal, afterwards he turned east and marched into the territory of tribes neighbouring Sagunt that were his allies. He used a local quarrel to wipe out the population of Sagunt and repopulate it. Afterwards he went on a big tour of conquest over the Ebro until the Pyrenean Mountains, his empire was definetly over the iber that is still quite contested whether it was the Ebro or a small river south of Sagunt. Because the Romans wanted to reaffirm the old berkit(a pledge treaty) with him some historians thinking the iber was south(note we talk about a treaty with the Punics, in a region deeply influenced by them, who then had no signs for vowels). And the Numidians of Syphax and Massinissa were in unequal treaties with Carthage, making them as rebellious as Roman socii, especially Gauls). That would really make an outstanding map if you could integrate the alliance structure of the Second Punic War that raged from Turkey beyond the Pillars of Hercules(Gibraltar). This way you include Massalia, Pergamon, Rhodos, Byzantium, the Achaen League, Aitolian League, Sparta, Macedonia, Athens, Illyria, Epirus and Bythnia... For the First Punic War you did a great job, but some may dispute whether Carthiginian possessions in Marocco were that small + Messinia is an independent political entity and not conquered by Carthage, so give them another colour, Syracuse the turncoat possibly also. And yes, Rome did also expand after the first war, so give new territory a different colour, just like in the case of Carthage

If you want to make it superb, add that the upper seawater circulates counterclockwise, thus you can neatly show who controls the sea routes after the first war: Rome. Carthage is in the worst possible position and highlighting all the small islands important for sea communication, they are almost without a chance against an enemy with overreach. This leads to the next thing that by going into the war the map shows that the only option was Hannibal's march, while the Romans planned two amphibious landings at the same time, but carried only one out, landing north of the Ebro and devastating the Punic occupation force there. However, still Barcelona is named in honour of Hamilcar Barca by Hannibal.

Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 11:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Delhi History Map.png

Can you please see this commons image File:Delhi History Map.png and add a source for it? This file is showing the source as a deleted wikipedia image and someone someday might feel to delete the image for this reason. --Sreejith K (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Hittite map

Your map is very good! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hittite_Kingdom.png) but after that the Hittites captured Cyprus = "Alasiya" map: http://www.hittites.info/history.aspx?text=history%2fLate+Late+Empire.htm Regards Böri (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

I saw your recent 20 edits in a row on Buddhist art in Japan. They are unexplained and too massive to clean up. I think it's undue weight on history descriptions. Some wiki links are not correct. I don't think copy-and-paste from other articles are appropriate. Please do not restore your edits and use talk page first. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 05:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I can change the history descriptions to make it more streamlined. If some wiki links are incorrect (can you please point them out?) i can fix them. I think that it is unfair to completely reverse my whole edit, seeing as the article needed some serious work. Some of the copy-pasted parts of text from other articles can be relevant, so i do not see why they cannot be used. Why don't you please help in the editing of the article instead of outright deleting everything? I will use the talk page and post an edit summary, but i don't see a need to go back to the old version which has no sources at all and very little information compared to my edit. Edit - I have trimmed some text from the article, i also used the talk page to post a summary of the article and added a under construction tag on the page. Please post constructive criticism on the talk page, i promise i will address all concerns in future edits. Help in any way you can, let's make this a great article! (Javierfv1212 (talk))

Thank you for the reply. I'm really sorry if you are offended. I understand your good faith. But as I wrote above, your edits were too massive. So I reverted and I think it might be better to expand the article little by little based on your edits. WP is not a reliable source, you know. That's is why I think to use copy-and-paste information from other articles without checking it is not a good idea. I already found a factual error. I'd like to post my questions and suggestions on the article talk page as soon as possible. OK? Please understand. Not that I do not appreciate your edits. Yes, let's make it a good article together. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem, i understand and i will make sure to have scholarly sources for all parts of the article, even those i obtained from wikipedia. I'll work to make sure all those parts are well integrated into the article and are backed up by sources. I appreciate all your criticism and help. (Javierfv1212 (talk))

I saw you restored your edits. It would be appreciate if you'd self revert it. Because IMO it would be easier to start from zero and I'd like to clean up the former version first, namely the first sentence of the lead section. It might be better something like this. "Since the Buddhism was brought in Japan in the six century, Buddhism played an important role...". Is it too much to ask for the revert? I've got to go now. See you on the article talk page tomorrow. Oda Mari (talk) 16:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

To be honest i don't see a point in doing a revert to the older article, it had zero sources (it had inline citations but no actual books cited in the bottom for reference) and also, i basically kept the opening paragraph mostly the same. I know there is some cleaning up to do and i have to go to work soon, but when i have some time i will try to trim some more. If there are some specific parts of the old article that you wish to add please do so, but make sure you find the sources to back it up. (Javierfv1212 (talk))

Tibet Maps

I didn't find the map I commented about (to add Ngari). But on the Map of the empire I can say that 'Tuyuhun' and 'Azha' look like they are two places, but they are just the Chinese and Tibetan words for the same palce respectively. Lhasa was around in the Empire, it was calledd Ra sa, but there is no particular reason to think it is important. As for other cities, a lot of places are mentioned in the Dunhuang sources, but I don't have a good sense of geography. Gutram Hazod has a great appendix to Brandon Dotson's new book about the Annals which discusses Old Tibetan places in the greatest detail that has been achieved so far. Tibetologist (talk) 07:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that's fascinating. I always thought the Potala was built on the site of the tsänpos' palace. Is that just a legend? At what point did Lhasa become the political center of Tibet? Since the Rinpungpas and the Tsangpas were based in Shigatse, the Phakmodrus in Nedong, and the Sakyas in Sakya, is it possible that Lhasa was never the capital before the Geluks came to power? However legendary Bhrikuti and Wencheng were, the Jhokhang must have been built at some point.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the early history of Lhasa:

After conquering the kingdom of Zhangzhung in the west, he [Songtsän Gampo] moved the capital from the Chingwa Taktse castle in Chongye County (pinyin: Qonggai), southwest of Yarlung, to Rasa (modern Lhasa) where in 637 he founded the first buildings of the Potala Palace on Mount Marpori. In 641 he founded the Rasa Trulnang or Jokhang.[2] Lhasa soon became not only the religious, but the political centre.[3] Lhasa remained the capital throughout the development of the Tibetan Empire until the reign of Langdarma in the 9th century, when the sacred sites were destroyed and desecrated and the empire fragmented.[4]

Citations 2 and 4 are from Footprint Tibet, which I think is a tourist guidebook (I guess I should expect that sort of citation from certain Wikipedians), but citation 3 references Stein's Tibetan Civilization for the statement that "Lhasa soon became not only the religious, but the political centre" during the Empire (worth noting that this sentence is slightly at odds with the preceding Wikipedia copy, which to my mind enhances its plausibility).—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible that it was kind of winter palace for the Kings? I don't think the Tibetan winter would be very pleasant inside tents. (Javierfv1212 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC))

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map of minority religions

The map is based on poor sources, please take it off and base it on reliable sources, it cites Wikipedia as one of its sources which is very poor sourcing. This map ->[3] Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Sources for your Hittite Map

Hello. An editor deleted your map from the relevant pages, claiming it was not sufficiently sourced. Do you have specific page numbers from Byrce, Trevor, "The Kingdom of the Hittites"? Cavann ^(talk) 21:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Mistake in Buddhist sects map

Thanks for your mapping efforts. Unfortunately, I've found a mistake. The presence of Theravada is well attested in north-eastern Laos, along the borders of Yunnan and Phongsali, and amongst the Dai of the Red River valley in Yunnan, beneath Yuanyang. Similarly, far north-western Vietnam (around Dien Bien Phu) has some Tai and other Theravada peoples. prat (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Latrunculi

Thanks for all your recent additions to Ludus latrunculorum. I have for YEARS hoped to find Dr. Schaedler's essay reconstructing the game, and am glad to have Falkener's, and the ancient material. I would be glad to have Ra's reconstruction, which was here for a brief period, if there were any source for it. I searched, but did not find. J S Ayer (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome!, I found Schaedler's article at http://history.chess.free.fr/papers/Schadler%202001.pdf - I went ahead and added that to the page as well. What I have been dying to get my hands on is Austin's 'Roman board games' 1 and 2. Unfortunately all my searches have only led to those pesky university sites you have to pay to download the pdfs from. To be honest I find "Ra", whoever he is anyways, to be on the wrong track (though his rules sound very similar to Kowalski's rules so its not really a big deal that we don't know the source of it - maybe it's just someone who copied Kowalski?). I am not of the opinion that there was a "Dux" or "Aquila" figure and though it is not impossible for there to have been such a version of the game (maybe a combination of fidcheall or tafl games and latrunculi?), I still think that the fact that such an important figure was left out of the descriptions in Ovid, Martial and in the Laus Pisonis to be pretty decisive. With regards to the 'doctor's game", there really is no scholarly consensus on what exactly it is and thus cannot be proof for the existence of any Dux figure as posited by Kowalski. What are your thoughts? Javierfv1212 (talk)

Thanks again; it's always interesting to see what my searches have missed. I agree that the Stanway game is probably not Latrunculi, though we don't know how far people may have tinkered with it. What puzzles me is that the two bigger pieces were colored the same, and not like members of the two opposing forces. I want to reconsider the whole subject, and see how far the descriptions would apply to the spirited games of Twelve Men's Morris, or Merels, that my son played with me when he was a boy. That's about it for the moment; I will keep watch for further developments. J S Ayer (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, I'd like to get myself a board and some glass counters and play soem games with the various rules and see how it turns out. Also, one more question, do you know who "Robert Cooper" is? He has a set of rules for "military latrunculi" and "civilian latrunculi" at http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/latrunculi.htm but I can't find anything about him. Javierfv1212 (talk)

No idea; I suppose the obvious thing to do would be to use the e-mail link and ask him. J S Ayer (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Southeast Asia Map Circa 1750?

Hi- a note of thanks for all your great historical maps. I am making edits to some pages on Laos and Lan Xang and was wondering if you could make another map c.1750? Lan Xang split between 1707-1710 into three kingdoms (and one principality), Burma, Ayutthaya and Lanna were the main kingdoms in the West, Vietnam occupied the east. There are some maps both before and after, but none for this period. I have some references if it would help- you should be able to make some edits to your existing maps of Southeast Asia.StampyElephant (talk) 00:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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East Mountain Teachings

Hi Javierfv1212. Thnaks for your edit at East Mountain Teaching. It's interesting to note that the first technique, meditation on emptiness, is commonly used to gain insight into emptiness into emptiness. Given the Madhyamaka-interpretation of emptiness, I wonder if this technique aims at suppressing the stream of thought, instead of stimulating critical, investigative thought. See Susan Kahn, The Two Truths of Buddhism and The Emptiness of Emptiness. It's a very interesting read, which made me finally understand what emptiness is really about: no inherently existing "things" (or "I"), but also no underlying transcendental Ground or so. "No-thing"! Zen may have incorporated Madhyamaka-teachings as well, hence the paradoxical language, to point to "the" unnameable. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Greetings Joshua, My understanding of the East mountain teachings is quite limited, however I think that the paradoxical nature of Chan is due to the use of several scriptures which can have different messages - Awakening of faith, the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra and the Prajñaparamita sutras. Attempting to combine the language and ideas in all these different Mahayana sutras, and to put these ideas in line with a meditation practice drawn from varying sources as well (such as Zhiyi's texts and the Dhyāna sutras) can lead to varying ideas. I'm currently making an article in my sandbox about one of the earliest Chan meditation manuals, the Tso-chan-i and the practice was definitely based on quieting the mind's stream of thoughts so that the inner undefiled mind (which seems to be related to 'Tathatā' or the "One mind" of the Awakening of faith). This text and this way of practice became very popular is probably the earliest form of shikantaza however this also led to a disagreement in zen which is the famous silent illumination vs koan division. The main reason here is that one can begin to see the practice of just "watching the mind" as being pure samatha with no vipassana content and thus being a practice which is non-conductive to liberation - hence the introduction of koan or hua tou practice. However if you believe that all you need to do to reach sudden enlightenment is to quiet the mind enough so that the obscured inner Suchness will reveal itself to you (as a pearl is visible in a pool when the waters are still) then the practice of just observing the mind or silent illumination makes sense. With regards to the conception of emptiness of the early chan schools, I think there was some disagreement as well, with some groups believing that the ultimate was just pure emptiness (emphasizing the prajñaparamita sutras) and others believing that everything was empty EXCEPT the 'One mind' or Suchness/Buddha-nature of the Awakening of faith. This is of course, the problematik of the Chan weltanschauung - a mixture of ideas and philosophies from varying complex Mahayana scriptures. And we can see this argument still going on today with the discourse of the Critical Buddhism. Javierfv1212 (talk)

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Archive

Hi Javierfv1212. Thank you for your contributions! How about creating an archive for your talkpage? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

By the way, did you read Eliot Deutsch's "Advaita Vedanta: A Philosophical Reconstruction"? He gives a somewhat "phenomenological" twits or interpretation to Advaita; very interesting. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:27, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll work on it soon lol I'm not really sure how everything works to be honest. And no I have not read that book, I don't have too much of a background in Hindu philosophy but Shankara is definitely interesting, thanks for the rec.

Cool maps

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