User talk:Grutness

Please add new discussions at the bottom of the page!

I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

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Mitre Peak

Happy new year to you. A very long time ago, you moved Mitre Peak (New Zealand) to Mitre Peak, New Zealand with the edit summary "per NZ Naming convs". Those may have been the conventions of the day, but they no longer are. Could you move it back, please, and do a history merge? Schwede66 22:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I've never worked out how to do a history merge, but I'm quite happy for it to be moved back... Grutness...wha? 23:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

The history merge business doesn't look straightforward, to be honest. And it can be done anytime by an admin. So if you could move the page, I'll request the merge. Schwede66 01:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

OK - done. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Requesting a history merge turns out to be very easy. Schwede66 01:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I thought I'd tidy up the various subcategories of mountains of New Zealand. Some redirects with edit histories are in place that stop me from moving the article. If you could please do the deletion honours, I'll look after the history merge requests: Pukeiti (Auckland) Schwede66 03:08, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure. That one's done - just list any others you want renaming here and I'll do them as soon as I can. Grutness...wha? 10:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks; I've done them all (maybe two dozen). Schwede66 18:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

You have been cited as an expert...

... here. Ultra-short précis: brand-new good-faith editor getting into a bit of unfortunate strife about the Tino Rangatiratanga flag. Daveosaurus (talk) 05:07, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Miss-click

Hi Grutness. My sincere apologies - I accidentally rolled back an edit of yours; I've fixed it straight way [1] but just to advise it was a slip of the finger on the mouse. Apologies again. Pedro :  Chat  11:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

That's fine - these things happen. Thanks for letting me know! Grutness...wha? 23:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

About your (non)participation in the January 2012 SOPA vote

Hi Grutness. I am Piotr Konieczny (User:Piotrus), you may know me as an active content creator (see my userpage), but I am also a professional researcher of Wikipedia. Recently I published a paper (downloadable here) on reasons editors participated in Wikipedia's biggest vote to date (January 2012 WP:SOPA). I am now developing a supplementary paper, which analyzes why many editors did not take part in that vote. Which is where you come in :) You are a highly active Wikipedian (67th to be exact), and you were active back during the January 2012 discussion/voting for the SOPA, yet you did not chose to participate in said vote. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me why was that so? For your convenience, I prepared a short survey at meta, which should not take more than a minute of your time. I would dearly appreciate you taking this minute; not only as a Wikipedia researcher but as a fellow content creator and concerned member of the community (I believe your answers may help us eventually improve our policies and thus, the project's governance). PS. If you chose to reply here (on your userpage), please WP:ECHO me. Thank you! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

This wiki-kitten is here to thank you for taking part in my survey!

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Aww - that's cute! Thanks :) Grutness...wha? 12:17, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Future Tactical Truck Systems (which should be System)

Hi Grutness. Yes, it was that AUSA. Sorry, I'm new to Wiki and sometimes forget to check things like correct links and stuff. By the way, as you appear 'expert' I wonder if you could help me with something... FTTS was sometimes presented as Future Tactical Trucks Systems, and that's what the Wiki page is called, but it was actually System not Systems. Do you know how to make that change? I've tried and failed miserably! Wolpat (talk) 14:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure - I'll do that. It's easy once you get the hang of it - Wikipedia can be a steep learning curve though! :) Grutness...wha? 00:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Notability query

Hyde Street party - is that notable? Schwede66 15:25, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Marginal at best, I'd say... perhaps best merged into Otago University Students' Association. Grutness...wha? 00:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. Schwede66 19:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Te Urewera National Park

An article that you have been involved in editing, Te Urewera National Park , has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. -- haminoon (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Dunedin

I see you are the principal contributor to the Dunedin page. Thank you for all your work, (not forgetting the others). I write to thank you because the page is just so very good. Cheers.Strawbridge2017 (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that! I don't know that I'm the principle contributor, but I did do quite a lot towards it. I'm glad you like the page! Grutness...wha?

Flagstaff Hill, Port Chalmers

Another ref to this name - [2] as well as the quote from the Coronial Inquest. regards Richard Bruce Bradford (talk) 05:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I've seen a couple of documents referring to it as Flagstaff Hill since making the original query, but it's far from a common name for it. Grutness...wha? 08:36, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

A pie for you!

You're having a Steak and Cheese Pie because of your good editing. Whakaoriori (talk) 06:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Grutness...wha? 22:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Awesome family tree!

Kia ora Grutness, just wanted to say "wow" to the Valpy family tree that you added to Juliet's page! That's so helpful. I remember reading about the sixth child in the Dunedin family, will have to go back and find that information. She stayed in England with her husband while the rest of them emigrated. Cheers, MurielMary (talk) 03:51, 26 October 2015 (UTC)MurielMary

Thanks - it took longer to make than I expected, but it was worthwhile. I got a lot of the info for it from "Southern People: A Dictionary of Otago-Southland Biography", which has quite a bit more info about several of the family. It's good to see you adding some information to some of the articles. (For what it's worth, I live only about 200 metres from the end of Valpy Street :) Grutness...wha? 04:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

It's very clear and helpful. That sounds like a useful resource; I used Charlotte Macdonald's book "The Book of NZ Women" for most of the information on the Valpy sisters, and some online research as well. MurielMary (talk) 05:50, 26 October 2015 (UTC)MurielMary

I've left a message about the family tree on Commons, but you may not keep on eye on it, hence the prompt here. Schwede66 02:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Cheers - done Grutness...wha?

Ok, can I suggest the following amendments (in bold) to the family tree, please?

• Caroline V. (1804–1884)
• William Henry V. (1832–1911); turn the box green
• Penelope E. (?–1924)

I see that this website has a rather shorter life span for W. H. Valpy, Jr.'s wife, but it's full of other mistakes, so I shall just dismiss that. Schwede66 18:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it. I've added a little further information - in some parts from that site, so hopefully it's mainly accurate. I do note though that it lists Henry Fulton as Herbert Fulton (and his son as Julius Herbert F). Grutness...wha? 23:36, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Category:Bishops in *

Please do not add the categories "Bishops in *" to articles on Roman Catholic bishops. Instead, please construct a category for the diocese in the manner of Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Jackson and place the bishop in it. This does not work for auxiliaries, unfortunately, I am trying to think of a clean solution given the existing hierarchies. Elizium23 (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The only one I have made was for bishops in Mississippi, which is intended for both Roman Catholic and non-Roman Catholic bishops, and exactly parallels similar categories for 47 other US states. If the one I have made was wrong, so are those other 47. Grutness...wha? 04:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

It is wrong for Roman Catholic bishops. If you'll notice, in each of those categories, for example Category:Bishops in Mississippi, there is a subcategory called e.g. Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Mississippi which ties into the Roman Catholic hierarchy of categories. Category:Bishops in Mississippi should only be used for non-Catholic bishops. Roman Catholic bishops are members of the "Bishops in *" categories by way of diffusion into child categories. Elizium23 (talk) 18:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

So, in order to work on the category I'm filling (Religious leaders in Foo), you'd like me to make a category (Bishops in a state), then make a subcategory of it (Roman Catholic bishops in a state), then make a further subcategory of that (Roman Catholic bishops of a diocese)? Yet you also expect Episcopal bishops to just be left haphazardly in the Bishops in Foo category? In that case I'll just mark them as religious leaders and not bother trying to be helpful by adding that they're also bishops. Grutness...wha? 23:16, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

If you are going to be too lazy to observe the proper category hierarchy then I'll just have to go around reverting you. Elizium23 (talk) 03:37, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Not being lazy, as a quick glance at how many edits I'm doing will indicate. If you prefer not to have them in any categories at all, as they are at present, then that's fine by me, I can easily stop the work I'm doing. Threats of reverting useful edits is disruptive, and could easily get you blocked from editing, as I'm sure other admins will agree. As someone who has been around Wikipedia nearly as long as I have and has more than 30,000 edits, you should know not to be disruptive. Grutness...wha? 03:44, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Putting them in the wrong categories is disruptive, and I'm here to stop that from happening. You can either put them in the right categories or we can escalate this dispute. The ball is in your court. Elizium23 (talk) 16:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Elizium23, your talk page conduct is below par. Schwede66 17:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Stubs

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 15:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I guess that it is that time of the year once more my friend. I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:09, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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To You and Yours!
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's greetings!

Hello Grutness: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's greetings!

Hello Grutness: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Esquivalience ^t 21:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Whakamana Cannabis Museum

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Peaked at 2000. Grutness...wha? 12:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Stubadub

Hi you deleted the page recently (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubadub) and would like to know under what reason did you do so. The page is in reference to a Twitch streamer that is doing moderately well on the site. (this artical is not about the person himself but the channel itself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bighalo2 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The streamer is decidedly not notable - there doesn't seem to be any evidence for anything remotely encyclopedic online. Google returns only 700 hits for Stubadub, and most of them are either mis-spellings of the band Stubbadub (which is also not notable) or for a piece of software. Whether the article was about a real person or not, it was still not one which should be in Wikipedia. Grutness...wha? 09:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Dam

Hi Grutness! I notice you have moved Dam (rural Australia) to Dam (agricultural reservoir). This is not an improvement for two reasons:

• Apart from the "home dam", which is used for non-drinking uses at the homestead, dams are not a feature of agricultural properties — more the province of pastoral properties, where they serve the vital purpose of keeping the stock alive.
• America, where the greatest number of Wikipedia users live, and has a far greater agricultural sector than Australia and New Zealand, does not know this meaning for the word "dam".

Can you think of a better disambiguation term? Otherwise I propose having this reverted. Cheers, Doug butler (talk) 21:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, when I saw the new article, my immediate thought was that "Australian" was an inappropriate part of the disambiguator, given that it's not a feature confined to that country. Schwede66 21:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I had no idea that it was a peculiarly Australian usage until I was taken to task by a very experienced (American) Wikipedian —

(from my archives): In the article T. J. Richards, "...drowned in a dam while intoxicated..." is difficult for an American to understand. A "dam" is a big solid structure, with water behind it, to an American, not the water that someone could drown in. A translation from the Australian, please, so we all understand. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you suggest a term which would make more sense in the US? Here we use "dam wall" for the structure, which may be of stone and earth, and "dam" to the whole facility, which would maybe cover an acre and a depth of ten feet. I suspect the man knew what he was doing but the inquest spared his family by releasing the finding of accidental death. Doug butler (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Good work with the footnote. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, Doug butler (talk) 23:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Doug (and others) - it's not a peculiarly Australian usage, being widely used in New Zealand, some parts of the UK, and South Africa (I think). The reason I used the disambiguator "agricultural reservoir" is because the term "reservoir" is unequivocably about the water rather than the structure itself (unless there is an American usage I don't know of where the term "reservoir" means a dam wall). I've never heard of the term "home dam" - it may be only an American usage. I would disagree with one of your points, though - dams are definitely widely found in agricultural properties, for, as you say, the purpose of keeping stock alive (pastoralism is, after all, just a sub-type of agriculture, and not a very widely used term for it). I'd have no objection to it being moved to Dam (pastoral reservoir), if that would make more sense to Americans. I would note, though, that there are quite a few disambiguators which are confusing to non-Americans, and we manage quite happily with them. Grutness...wha? 01:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Grutness: You're right that "agriculture" embraces the farming of livestock, but in Australia at least, a "pastoral property" means unimproved grazing land, whereas "agricultural property" usually means cultivated land, for wheat or whatever. "Home dam" was a common expression in Clarendon, South Australia when I was growing up; no way were the cows allowed there! Doug butler (talk) 02:22, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Makes sense - thanks for the clarification! Grutness...wha? 05:00, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

March 1932 lunar eclipse Rating

I rated the page March 1932 lunar eclipse as a stub and of low importance. 78.148.76.115 (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)