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Restore lead per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies

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Ana Ivanovic (Serbian: Ана Ивановић, Ana Ivanović ;[3][4] Serbian pronunciation: [âna iʋǎːnoʋitɕ] ( listen)) (born November 6, 1987) is a former world no. 1 Serbian tennis player.

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Ana Ivanović (Serbian Cyrillic: Ана Ивановић; [3][4] Serbian pronunciation: [âna iʋǎːnoʋitɕ] ( listen)) (born November 6, 1987) is a former world no. 1 Serbian tennis player.

This will restore what was the longstanding version before WP:TENNISNAMES and bring the lead into line with the examples in MOSBIO under WP:OPENPARA and WP:FULLNAME. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But that would necessitate us moving the article to "Ana Ivanović" in order to meet the MOS requirements that the article title and references to it within the article should be formatted the same. And as you no, there's no appetite in the community to move this article. Nice try though. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:The Rambling Man, please link to such MOS requirements. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And quite clearly you'd expect internal consistency wouldn't you?! No, after all, scratch that, the double standards you and Mareklug have adopted tell a different story. I'd start another RM if I were you, it's been a few months since the last one after all! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:24, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, not necessarily since Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies refers to mainly to article body not titling, and WP:FULLNAME refers to lead, as above. Again, please link to the MOS requirememts you refer to. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ho ho, I think it's clear to see that you prefer double standards across Wikipedia, or else they'd be hell to pay about Novak. Perhaps it's because he's not a "trophy" "girl"? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a specific link to a guideline-conflict argument against MOSBIO or not? If the answer is no then MOSBIO should be followed in the lead of this BLP. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:46, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have specific answers to the many questions you've avoided? Do you have a reason to believe that you need to add a diacritic to the lead? We have plenty of reliable sources, including Serbian ones now (thanks to Mareklug) that do not use a diacritic. And you have.........? crickets chirping The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For the record the "specific answers to the many questions you've avoided" are all un-related to this article and related to the special cases list (change of nationality, consonant change, monarchs, saints names, stagenames etc.) which don't relate to this article. If you want to start a discussion, then you are welcome to do so at the Talk pages of other articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, of course. It would be entirely inappropriate to expect you to be helpful and demonstrate or explain the benefit to English-language Wikipedia of your double-standards approach. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ana Ivanovic article.

Per the verbage of many in the last rfc, Ivanovic and Ivanović are identical as far as wikipedia is concerned, and since it's a two way street there shouldn't be any mention at all of the term Ivanović. However, not being vindictive, if forever censoring Ilie Nastase is wrong, then likewise censoring Ivanović is also wrong. I would want what's most informative for our many English readers, regardless of squabbling. In Serbia, and probably several neighboring countries, sources indicate that Ivanović is often used. We have sources that in Serbia she spells it Ivanović and Ivanovic. Policy says the Serbian spelling has to remain in this article in prose, and it should be mentioned in the lead or first paragraph. I think as a tennis bio, it's important to mention it in the infobox as well (just as I do the obverse). Whether it comes first in the lead or later as (Serbian: Ana Ivanović) doesn't matter as much to me, as long as it's there to let readers know in some places it is spelled differently. We just had an RM that ended in July, and we know how it's spelled in English, so Ivanović can't be used throughout the article or with linkage, but it must be mentioned here. To do otherwise would be censoring. We don't censor at wikipedia... err.. I don't want to add to the censoring here at wikipedia. My thoughts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha I just read this whole page. I love Wikipedia. On the topic - I haven't seen anyone adequately contradict the apparent fact that Ana Ivanovic herself spells her name without the diacritic in English language forums. And while I read many times the claim that this article must be treated the same way as another (with Jelena Jankovic repeatedly cited as 'the other' that must set the standard), many examples have since been given of articles where diacritic marks have been dropped. I haven't seen any adequate rebuttal here, so perhaps the insistence on "two for the price of one" has conveniently been dropped? Nathan T 16:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stand by for IIO to pop by and tell you why your common sense and reasonable logic is entirely incorrect. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivanovic / Schweinsteiger

I figured after seeing some back and forth on the main page that some dialog should be started here. Right now I see one source that said Ana was taking her husband's name, but with the caveat that professionally she will still be known as Ana Ivanovic. So all her endorsements, products, news, WTA, ITF will still all be under Ivanovic. Her checking account and gas bill will be under Schweinsteiger. We use the most common name here, plus the reason she is notable at all is because of tennis so "Ivanovic" should of course be what we should use for all things tennis. However there should be a mention of this in her personal life section. I assume we can find more than one source that confirms that legally she'll be Ana Schweinsteiger (or maybe Ana Ivanovic Schweinsteiger), but that for professional reasons she will be publicly using Ana Ivanovic for tennis and autographs. Just some thoughts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ana is apparently not in the U.S. Open Grand Slam of 2016

Ivanovic is apparently not in the U.S. Open Grand Slam of 2016. Please explain if you know why. I intently scanned the bracket for the women's single's tournament this year, and her name is not in it. Also, I have not heard anything about her on television. I wondered if she had gotten disappointed with tennis and retired, just as Jusine Henin did.
To me, it is rather disappointing to watch this tournament and Ivanovic is not in it, and Maria Sharapova is on suspension (unjustified, I believe), 47.215.211.16 (talk) 12:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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