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Capitalization

PaulinSaudi; You have correctly stated the rule that ranks are capitalized in front of a name. However, note that the "lieutenant general" edit you reverted is not used in front of a name and is, thus, not to be capitalized in this instance. Same thing with "lieutenant general" in the info box.

Capitalization of "commanding general" is a bit less clear to me. I was attempting to apply the rule from WP:JOBTITLES: "Offices, positions, and job titles such as president, king, emperor, pope, bishop, abbot, executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically: Mitterrand was the French president or There were many presidents at the meeting."

As for "Marine Forces North", unless I am mistaken this is the proper name of a unit and "Marine" as part of the name is, thus, capitalized regardless of one's opinion on whether "marine" is normally normally capitalized on its own.

Any thoughts? Ocalafla (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I am sicker than a dog (and on a Saudi weekend) and unable to make any sort of judgment call. That being said, I suspect I may have been wrong when I changed "Lieutenant General" to Lieutenant general" in the infobox. After all, the box is not a sentence, but more like a headline or something. I see no reason why "commanding general" ought to be capitalized. Even in my kryptonite-depleted condition, I think I can say we all tend to capitalize way too much. Do as you think best, I will be back in a few days. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PaulinSaudi, yeah the info box could probably go either way. If infobox items are "title case" then capitalize lieutenant general. If "sentence case" then just "lieutenant". Most infoboxes I see seem to have "sentence case" so I just tracked that. I wish you a speedy recovery to get you back in the fight against overcapitalization! Ocalafla (talk) 15:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Does anyone agree that John F. Kelly (general) might be a better title? Connormah (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's a good question, I'm not too sure. But the current disambiguation seems a bit off (too specific? Not too sure how to word it.), imo. I took a look at some of the four star general lists and it does like we've used the one I proposed for other cases. Connormah (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would say about this, leave it as it is right now - wait for a few days. Think this out. I think that John F. Kelly article is 'findable' as it is because of the discussion of the strong military presence on the Cabinet appointments. MaynardClark (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be best to look at past precedent of someone who was in the Cabinet and had a very common name, and use a similar naming convention. I'm not sure of any examples off hand, but just a suggestion. Calibrador (talk) 08:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Military Career - Relief from Combat Command of Colonel Joe Dowdy USMC 5th Marines, March-April 2003 Iraq

"Assuming a battlefield command is the pinnacle of a Marine's career. Being removed is near the nadir, exceeded only by a court martial. It's extremely rare for the modern U.S. military to relieve a top commander of duty, especially during combat. Col. Dowdy, 47 years old, was the only senior officer in any of the military services to be dismissed in Iraq. He says he would rather have taken an enemy bullet."(1)

One of the cardinal rules of maneuver warfare stipulates that generals should allow commanders in the field, such as Col. Dowdy, to make tactical decisions. Gen. Kelly says he never ordered Col. Dowdy to move through Nasiriyah and never threatened to remove him from his post. But Lt. Col. Pete Owen, Col. Dowdy's chief of staff, has a different recollection. "When we were stalled out in Nasiriyah, Gen. Kelly came up to me and said, 'If Col. Dowdy doesn't get this column moving, I'm gonna pull him.' "(1)

On the morning of April 3, 2003, the 15th day of the war, Gen. Kelly called Col. Dowdy to say he wanted the assault on Kut to begin immediately. Col. Dowdy said he was awaiting fresh ammunition and checking a report that the road to Kut was mined. Gen. Kelly was furious, according to Col. Dowdy. "Those aren't considerations, they're excuses," Col. Dowdy recalls the general saying.(1)

Col. Dowdy says the general continued: "Why aren't you driving through al Kut right now? You know what? I'm going to recommend that you be relieved of command. Maybe Gen. Mattis won't do it. Maybe he'll decide he can get along with a regiment that isn't worth a s-. But that's what I'm going to recommend."(1)

References: (1) How a Marine Lost His Command In Race to Baghdad Col. Joe Dowdy's 'Tempo' Displeased Superiors; Balance of Mission, Men By Christopher Cooper Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL April 5, 2004 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108111980285073875 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Discernable (talk • contribs) 16:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 January 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 21:49, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John F. Kelly (Marine) → John F. Kelly – Kelly will be Secretary of Homeland Security if he is confirmed, this alone is justification to at least remove the (Marine) clarification in the name title. John F. Kelly seems to be the best title for the article. It is currently a redirect to the John Kelly disambiguation page, and the only other John F. Kelly is a retired state legislator that has significantly less page views, according to here and here. 26,000+ page views v.s. 234 page views. Calibrador (talk) 21:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Awards

Why is his Navy PUC shown as one of his award ribbons, but not listed in the awards box? ```` 2601:989:4200:BAA2:5912:EBF7:708A:C30A (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Comments on Jared Kushner's back channel communications to Russia

On May 28, 2017, Kelly went to the News Media Sunday programs to defend back channel efforts with Russia by Jared Kushner. Seems that this should be a part of the article since it is viewed as treasonous by many. --Wikipietime (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)-[reply]

http://time.com/4796868/john-kelly-defends-jared-kushner-russia/ Headline:DHS Secretary John Kelly Defends Jared Kushner: 'I Don't See Any Issue Here'

Interviews on CNN;

March 6, 2017; http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/06/john-kelly-dhs-trump-travel-ban-wiretap-tsr-intv-full.cnn

April 23, 2017; http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/04/23/john-kelly-full-interview-sotu.cnn

June 18 2017; http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/06/16/john-kelly-interview-sot.cnn

Need a summary of factoids on positions. --Wikipietime (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

misfit source?

While translating this article and checking some sources, I checked the source on the promotion of Kelly to Major General. This is currently no. 14: " "Nominations Confirmed (Non-Civilian)". United States Senate. September 11, 2007. Retrieved November 27, 2008.". It links to this overview. However, it doesn't seem to hold any confirmation with the name 'Kelly' nor any appointment that seems to fit the description. Can anyone help out? I'll add a citation needed for now. effeietsanders 12:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed he's not in List of United States Army four-star generals despite being in List of United States Marine Corps four-star generals and described as "bona fide retired four-star US Marine Corps general" by some journalist [1]. A 2011-03 calendar reports on his nomination as Lieutenant general and he is already called as such in a 2011-02 report
The archived version has «September 11, 2007 PN199-2 MARINE CORPS The following named officers for appointment in the United States Marine Corps to the grade indicated under title 10, U.S.C., section 624: Brig. Gen. John F. Kelly, 7821, to be Major General» and also an earlier «PN511 NAVY Nominations beginning RHETTA R. BAILEY, 1163, and ending KELLY J. WILD, 4473, which 9 nominations were received by the Senate and appeared in the Congressional Record on May 3, 2007.» --Nemo 15:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2017

"riebus's ousting" - name should be capitalized. Rereradu (talk) 07:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2017 ("G-3" wikilink)

Readers may be mystified by G-3 - a wikilink would be useful in the 4th paragraph of Military career. Please change

"was assigned to a third tour of duty at Camp Lejeune, now as the assistant chief of staff G-3 with the Second Marine Division."

to

"was assigned to a third tour of duty at Camp Lejeune, now as the assistant chief of staff G-3 with the Second Marine Division." 173.20.148.109 (talk) 03:26, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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