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Q1. How did the article get the way it is?
Q2. Why is the article's name "United States" and not "United States of America"?
Isn't United States of America the official name of the U.S.? I would think that United States should redirect to United States of America, not vice versa as is the current case.
Q3. Is the United States really the oldest constitutional republic in the world?
1. Isn't San Marino older?
2. How about Switzerland?
Many people in the United States are told it is the oldest republic and has the oldest constitution, however one must use a narrow definition of constitution. Within Wikipedia articles it may be appropriate to add a modifier such as "oldest continuous, federal ..." however it is more useful to explain the strength and influence of the US constitution and political system both domestically and globally. One must also be careful using the word "democratic" due to the limited franchise in early US history and better explain the pioneering expansion of the democratic system and subsequent influence.
Q4. Why are the Speaker of the House and Chief Justice listed as leaders in the infobox? Shouldn't it just be the President and Vice President?
The President, Vice President, Speaker of The House of Representatives, and Chief Justice are stated within the United States Constitution as leaders of their respective branches of government. As the three branches of government are equal, all four leaders get mentioned under the "Government" heading in the infobox. Q5. What is the motto of the United States?
There was no de jure motto of the United States until 1956, when "In God We Trust" was made such. Various other unofficial mottos existed before that, most notably "E Pluribus Unum". The debate continues on what "E Pluribus Unum"'s current status is (de facto motto, traditional motto, etc.) but it has been determined that it never was an official motto of the United States. Q6. Is the U.S. really the world's largest economy?
The United States was the world's largest national economy from about 1880 and largest by nominal GDP from about 2014, when it surpassed the European Union. China has been larger by Purchasing Power Parity, since about 2016. Q7. Isn't it incorrect to refer to it as "America" or its people as "American"?
In English, America (when not preceded by "North", "Central", or "South") almost always refers to the United States. The large super-continent is called the Americas. Q8. Why isn't the treatment of Native Americans given more weight?
The article is written in summary style and the sections "Indigenous peoples" and "European colonization" summarize the situation. |
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The third paragraph of this section claims "Due to the dot-com boom, stable monetary policy under Alan Greenspan, and reduced social welfare spending, the 1990s saw the longest economic expansion in modern U.S. history, ending in 2001." There is an embedded link in the phrase "reduced social welfare spending" leading to the page "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act." The implication is "Due to the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, the 1990s saw the longest economic expansion in modern U.S. history."
First of all, no sneaky links for the purpose of political argument. Remove the link or edit the sentence so this politically-motivated claim is out in the open for readers. Any mention of this act in this context must explain how and/or why it had a positive impact on the US economy.
Second, the cited works do not support or even mention this point. One of the cited works is a newspaper opinion article and not a peer-reviewed academic source. Therefore it is a claim, not a fact. Furthermore neither source mentions the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act" or the effects of any reduction in welfare spending during the 1990s. Therefore this statement is unsourced and must be removed.
Please leave the political arguments out of this article and stick to the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.61.211 (talk) 01:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The statement "The withdrawal caused an escalation of sectarian insurgency, leading to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, the successor of al-Qaeda in the region." referring to the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq during 2009-2010, has no source. The cited article "The JRTN Movement and Iraq’s Next Insurgency" does not support this statement. Therefore the statement is unsourced and must be removed.
The cited article from 2011 actually claims "(The Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshabandi Sunni insurgency movement) emerged as the only Iraqi insurgent group to have grown stronger during and since the U.S.-led “surge.” Indeed, U.S. statements on JRTN have arguably added to its credibility and potential for recruiting and fundraising." Further the 2011 article predicts "The withdrawal of most or all U.S. forces could be another stressful transition for JRTN. The movement’s current raison d’être—expelling U.S. forces—could dry up in the coming six months. JRTN is already struggling to maintain the flow of new attack videos due to reduced availability of U.S. targets as bases shut down and convoy traffic declines, and this could stem the movement’s external fundraising."
The article does not support the intended politically-motivated bias of the aforementioned erroneous claim in the United States wikipedia article, the intent of which is to assert that "President Obama's defense policy caused an escalation of sectarian insurgency in Iraq, leading to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant." This is an unsupported and unsourced political attack that has no place in an encyclopedia article. Therefore it must be properly sourced or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.61.211 (talk) 02:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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"America was left the world's only super power after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991." I don't know why that was removed from the article. Because China and Russia are not super powers. Russia is a world power and China is a regional power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lj996 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
The start of the 5th paragraph has a similar issue to the mentioned 3rd paragraph. It cites a book "Hidden in Plain Sight: What really caused the world's worst financial crisis" for "Government policy designed to promote affordable housing", which isn't the point made by the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.46.137.114 (talk) 08:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Map 'territorial acquisitions' in § Independence and expansion (1776–1865) seems incorrect
That map seems misleading in its titling of the large brown area on the right side of the map. Please help solving or discussing that issue on File talk:U.S. Territorial Acquisitions.png#Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.. --Corriebertus (talk) 15:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- Sharing my response here:
- All that land north and west of the Ohio River was claimed by several of the original states. Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, and Virginia all had competing claims over it, with Connecticut's and Virginia's being the strongest. From what I can tell, as of the Treaty of Paris there was no land in the country not claimed by a state, the first non-state territories weren't made until the North-West Territory in 1787. See File:United_States_land_claims_and_cessions_1782-1802.png. --Golbez (talk) 15:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I notice then, that both Golbez (and NYActuary in the discussion on File talk:U.S. Territorial Acquisitions.png#Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.) agree that those lands north and west of the Ohio River were in 1783 not part of any of those thirteen founding states. Next question: is anyone capable of adjusting such a Wikimedia map? --Corriebertus (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Me: "All that land ... was claimed by several of the original states", "there was no land in the country not claimed by a state"
- You: "[You] agree that those lands ... were in 1783 not part of any of those thirteen founding states."
- Is this just blatant arguing in bad faith, or do we have a huge comprehension issue? --Golbez (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Demographics/Multi-racial
As people began to analyze their DNA for origins, the multi-racial demographics may need to be updated. Some analyzers go to the point of trying to identify archaic origins. For Black, uniquely American, as opposed to African, the legal percentage, often referred to as the one drop rule, however, I understand the actual percentage for legal identification as Black is 3% or 1/32 or one great-great-great grandparent. For some Native American Nations, the requirement is not of actual percentages, but the ability to prove lineage to a living, individual having reported after relocation to Oklahoma around the turn of the century. This data may come from census data. However, in that case, it would be what an individual identifies with in the individual's report of the individual's in the household. The Hispanic category is confusing. It may simply require origins from a Spanish speaking country or culture. I do not where that places Belizeans. I was apprised that in the Puerto Rican there is a concept of light and dark. I do not know how this translates to demographics. However, Caribbean genepools most likely differ vastly from Mexican, which is located on the North American continent. However, for paternity, I don't think one compares a Caribbean to North American Hispanics, which would probably imply Mexican. I have not encountered the concept of separating AmerIndian form Mexican from the Mexicans that I have encountered in the US. I have read some South American countries contain no percentage of AmerIndians. I don't know that I saw Asian, specifically, but with South Asians, I am not sure which category they use. I did ask one person who said she was mixed, so checks Asian. Often there is not a category that one might find fits their needs on a form or questionnaire. In Biology, they teach the origins of all people came out of the fertile crest in Africa. However, it's been discovered that some carry Neanderthal DNA. And, if you DNA looks like a travel guide or a mitration path, you might be very confused as to which box to check. I consider myself to be the sum total of DNA and unique experiences. However, there are also racial/cultural groups with whom I do identify within the experiences of my DNA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:e944:b500:1416:bc4d:8de8:b591 (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
- This seems like some kind of essay about how we need to do the races differently... but it all comes from the census bureau, we have no input on that, you should forward your concerns to them. --Golbez (talk) 21:38, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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