User talk:Sitush

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... or panic madly and freak out?

Have you come here to rant at me? It is water off a duck's back.

Attention on Propaganda Articles and misleading edits in List of Rajputs

Hello Sitush The articles Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha looks like the content uploader 'Prabhatmishra1985' (who has been blocked earlier) is running a propagandist agenda and presenting mostly hoax and over exaggerated facts in disguise of some real facts.He has inserted the names of son and grandson of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha in many places including the top slot of the wiki page political families of Bihar. How can a couple's children who have never ever been a legislator,parliamentarian or held any constitutional office or had any political relevance be forcefully presented as 'important political personalities of Bihar'? Is it a place to promote or falsely portray individuals?

Secondly, In the page political families of Bihar,there are seasoned families whose several generations of leaders have held highest constitutional offices in India/bihar and there are families producing several ministers and Chief Ministers;how come the couple of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha be considered a 'political dynasty or family of Bihar' when after the couple none of their children or grand child ever won any election in state or held any important constitutional office or in short never got the people's mandate.

Also, the user 'Prabhatmishra1985' has strangely added the couple in the FIRST place of the national 'List of Rajputs'- 'Politicians of India'. He has removed much much important historic,political and constitutional personalities of India belonging to Rajput Caste and inserted Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha at the TOP of list who was only a one time MP and .If his his wife Ram Dulari Sinha (Who may be included as she held post of a Governor) is included then why not other Rajputs who have held the office of Governor of several states and some who became Governors & CMs many times?. There are hundreds of prominent Rajputs who have been MPs and members of first Lok Sabha of India and there are some who even have been CMs, Governors and central ministers,then how come only Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha who doesn't qualify to be placed at the 'Top' is allowed there?Kindly ensure only content backed by realistic sources and genuine importance are uploaded.

Neutral parties on Bengal famine of 1943?

Hello Sitush.

I have no recollection at all how I started working on Bengal famine of 1943. I grew up in suburban US in a rural state, and all of my relatives are very rural 'Muricans. I don't give a flying hoot about the Raj. If anything at all... I can come clean and confess to being obsessively perfectionist (in many but not all cases; sometimes I DGAF, esp. for pop culture crap) about Wikipedia. I probably have lost friends because of it, in fact.

I spent a year rewriting Bengal famine of 1943 because it was massively POV horse manure. I made a half-completed list of all the POV aspects, and even half done, it was distressing. Huge aspects never even mentioned, etc. That list is given on the MilHist try I think.

I acknowledge that I perceive Fowler&Fowler to be an admitted pro-British POV editor because of this comment: "This is in part because BFo1943 is only obliquely military history. In fact to cast it as military history is to buy into a POV out there that exceptional war time conditions allowed the famine to fly under the radar of British responsibility."

F&F has already asserted that he thinks I worked in userspace to protect a POV.

Are there any very experienced and very neutral editors who can help satisfy F&F's demands that the article must be checked?

Having said all that, I have to confess: I very clearly believe (and invite you to consider the possibility) that there are exactly three forums in the whole of Wikipedia that even come close to being equipped to handle this article. Those three forums are WP:FAC, WP:FAC, and WP:FAC. GA? Please. PR? Well, yeah, in theory, but in practice it is undermanned. It is designed to be of lesser quality than FAC. MILHIST? Same as PR, plus A- level reviewers are all at FAC already anyhow... In FAC people have to stow away their POV, and the best reviewers in Wikipedia congregate at FAC. I would be quite content for the article to sit three or four months in FAC, if that's what it takes...

Sigh. I give up; I forgot that you already said at Bish's page that you don't have a good view of the article. Cheers; I'll go bang my head against a wall at WT:FAC.  Lingzhi ♦ [[User talk:Lingzhi|(t

Nattukottai Nagarthar Page Content Removal

please understand or research before deleting a content in a page like this which provide information about community as these details not found on internet they don't prove these details are false. some content can't are need to be present in Wikipedia for there novelty. these contents are verifiable in "Nattukottai Nagarathar Seerthirutham" a book by Pandithamani Kathiresan.

Happy Saturnalia!

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ealdgyth: troll free? Your optimism astounds me ;) Thanks for the wishes, which are reciprocated. - Sitush (talk) 14:28, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New YearJonathansammy (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Wish you both (Jonathansammy and Sitush) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Sitush, I have been following your comments/edits and although I have given exams that require good vocabulary like the "old pattern" GRE (in the US), I learn some new words from you every time(like polemicist, ballsed, etc.). It is quite obvious you were completely western educated - but not sure how you developed such good vocabulary. Or perhaps my vocabulary is not good. Just an observation.Thanks-Acharya63 (talk) 05:08, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both. I am British, Acharya63. My only connection to India is that a great-great-grandmother was born in 1849 in Bangalore while her father was serving as a private with the 15th Hussars. According to army records, he served 23 years in total, of which the last 16 were in India. He appears not to have had any significant ill health out there but died of bronchitis - a disease associated with industrialisation - within a year of returning to the UK and settling in Manchester. I suspect there will be baptismal records at some church in Bangalore but I'll never get there to find out.

I wouldn't advise you to use phrases such as "ballsed up", although I admit I have done - that's a colloquialism! There are some excellent writers of English among India-born Wikipedians. Reading a lot helps with vocabulary development. In my case, I was born profoundly deaf and so never bothered with television or radio or even much conversation - it was pretty much all books. Eg: I had read all of Dickens by the age of 11, except for Edwin Drood (I couldn't see the point in reading an unfinished book). - Sitush (talk) 09:03, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Sitush, I am sorry to hear about your hearing issue. Also I had assumed you were an Indian Brahmin from Bengal or the north. So was surprised to lean you are British(not that it matters). Do you recommend any books in particular? Since you are British, I assume P.G.Wodehouse might have been popular. He used a lot of 'advanced' vocabulary. I loved Dickens too but as far as vocabulary goes, he did not use very difficult words (probably intentionally).-Acharya63 (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Acharya63: I read a lot of Wodehouse many years ago - it is light-hearted fun stuff but his style was deliberately old-fashioned. He's worth reading just for pure enjoyment but probably not with the intention of picking up phrases that you might want to use nowadays. That said, the key to developing vocabulary from the written word seems to me (I am no expert) simply to read a lot and widely. Unless you're one of those odd people who enjoy trying to memorise dictionaries. As a teenager back in the 1970s, I used to really enjoy stuff by Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, Douglas Adams and so on - I had very broad tastes. - Sitush (talk) 14:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Indian private universities

I believe you were once interviewed by an editor belonging to The Times of India. As such do you know of any business journalist based in UK/India who can be persuaded to run a story on the growth of private universities in Indian states and their quality standards when judged from an international stage? If you want specific examples take a look at my post at Talk:Annals of Mathematics#Content, where I asked David Eppstein to write a new blog post on his blog. Apparently it took 60 years, under the banner of a brand new private university set up under a central legislation, for a paper from West Bengal to appear in the top math journal. I don't think RKMVU is the only private university which have successfully managed to "defeat" older public universities. Tachs recently completed his project of creating biographical articles on the SSB prize winners and I know of at least two SSB laureates (biologist MadhavDGadgil and mathematician Rkarandikar) who have edited Wikipedia and are presumably aware of the modus operandi of Indian private universities to attract top faculties (and students).

The specific institution I have in mind for running a story is the Techno India University setup in 2012 with an endowment of 10,000 crore but whose owners Satyam Roy Chowdhury and Goutam Roy Chowdhury, neither of them feature at the Forbes list of Indian billionaires. Solomon7968 07:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't, sorry. And, frankly, my own opinion is that the Indian private university system is subject to massive corruption - just look at the number of fake degrees etc. - Sitush (talk) 08:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Echo Sitush.Unless and until you're looking at outlying outliers and/or a very selected few, private-university-system over here is way-way too corrupt.Winged Blades^Godric 15:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

"tis the season...."

Hello Sitush: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ―Buster7 ☎ 22:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

@Buster7: thanks, and my best wishes to you also. - Sitush (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Auguri!

Merry Christmas from London, Sitush ...

and a New Year filled with peace and happiness!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

@Voceditenore: thanks, and my best wishes to you also. I see that IAC are still causing problems, notably with Drmies. - Sitush (talk) 14:26, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

• What? Who? What is IAC--that anti-corruption party? I've recently been bothered by Inlinetext: are they connected? Drmies (talk) 16:13, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

• Tut, tut: you're supposed to be enjoying the day with your kids, Drmies. Shocked, I am shocked, I say. <g> I know you have no interest in WP criticism sites etc but the word on the street in the public areas of those sites is that it is IAC. There were certainly some similarities when I looked into it recently - Germany, outing, threats via employers etc. There was also some messing about with domain names somewhere, which fits the pattern. - Sitush (talk) 16:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

• Drmies, I too was puzzled at first by Sitush's mention of an IAC connection. But, after the Christmas festivities are over, you might want to read this in conjunction with this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:07, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

• OK, so it is India Against Corruption. Sorry Sitush--I've had little to do with that sock farm. Sad, by the way--very sad. Drmies (talk) 15:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

does saying Bhagat singh as a sikh is misleading and saying jat is not misleading ?

if you are removing sikh because it is misleading to say so why you don't remove "jat" its too misleading Bhagat singh never said he is jat--Jagat jit singh (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

why you are not removing jat

if you are saying sikh is misleading to say then thus jat is right to say ? even the source given along with it "https://books.google.co.in/books?id=PC4C3KcgCv0C&redir_esc=y" clear that he was born in a sandhu sikh jat family my dear please first read it and i am not creating any edit war i am just correcting it--Jagat jit singh (talk) 11:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

You have exceeded the three revert limit and thus I've reported you to the relevant noticeboard. I'd already tried to explain on the article talk page. - Sitush (talk) 12:28, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Udayar

1) I accept that some people of udayar caste are following Christianity. But when compare to Hindus udayar not even comes to 1%. The reference what you have given is not worked based on caste or orgin. It deals with only south Indian Christianity people.

2) Socially Humbler than Vellar - Vellar is the group of people how doing agriculture. But udayar caste are belongs to Velir group. For reference please read Dennis B. McGilvray work on caste system in south India. One more all udayars are under obc category. Earlier it was in General category later changed to obc category after Dravidian movement has became ruling party in Tamil Nadu. But most of the vellar cast are in mbc category earlier they where in BC later moved to MBC. If the caste is humbler than vellar then how this this is possible.

3) Malayaman Udayar are belongs to Malayaman Dynasty. There are lot of inscription which has return on sangam period found in Tamil Nadu and also found in Literature. Please refer the following artical - http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_26/introduction_1.html We request you to don't revert the page. If you have any concern replay to this mail. Will make it clear. -> Archescientist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist (talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

You are at the three revert limit, have been reverted by other people than just me, and are using some awful sources and poor phrasing. I did ask you to raise the issue at the article talk page. This is not that. - Sitush (talk) 12:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi sitush, We are looking forward your view on above points rather your discrimination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist (talk • contribs) 12:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Discrimination? I'm not the one who is attempting to bias the article with poor sources and phrasing, and by removing existing sourced info. And who is the "we" to whom you refer? You should not be editing on behalf of an organisation etc.

I've just posted a note at the article talk page. - Sitush (talk) 12:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Wishes

No pictures and all; just wishing you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and a pleasant 2018:)Winged Blades^Godric 15:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks and the same wishes to you, WBG - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits, and some questions

Hello Sitush -
I am relatively new at Wikipedia and really appreciate your edits and comments on Udaipur State and Bhil people. I learnt a thing or two (and more) by reviewing your edits. I do have the following questions that I hope you can help with:
1) You stated Raj sources are deemed unreliable and referenced a discussion page. However, I could not find the particular discussion on that page (again, I don't have much experience navigating Wikipedia pages and am probably missing it). I would like to better understand if all Raj sources are to be wholesale avoided or if some objective information unlikely to be unreliable (e.g., number or name of zillas) can be used. Can you help me find the discussion?
2) I understand that Bhil people had many Raj sources and I used a non-consensus style. However, my edits did contain some pieces of information that neither contained a rp style nor referenced a Raj source (but were referenced to a non-Raj source). I would like to revert at least those edits, but did not want to do so without consulting you. I have a genuine interest in increasing available information on neglected topics like Bhil people but would like to do so in a respectful and consensual way. Please let me know if you would contest my partial reversions (only of those items which do not violate the parameters you commented).
I have one item of discussion on Udaipur State that is better suited for the discussions page than here, so I will write it there. Thank you.
Deccantrap (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:12, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Raj sources have long been considered unreliable by consensus on Wikipedia. There have been numerous discussions about them across a vast number of articles, as well as at centralised venues such as WP:RSN (example) and WT:INB, and at various articles for deletion discussions. I do have a subpage in my userspace about the issue in relation to castes, although it is far from being a complete survey of the rationale. The information at WP:HISTRS is also relevant.

I am sure that there are situations where common sense can prevail. For example, while the Imperial Gazetteers are generally problematic, they should be ok for statements concerning geographic boundaries prevailing at the time of publication. However, it would still be better to use something more recent, if only to eliminate any potential problem.

I did go a bit overboard in reverting at Bhil people. For some reason, I'd not got round to looking at that article for quite a while and I was faced with an awful lot of poor changes. With India-related articles frequently being subject to massive amounts of such changes, sorting out the wheat from the chaff can be incredibly time-consuming and often for very little gain (if any). I have no objection to you reinstating anything that you feel has been changed by me inappropriately - I will endeavour to keep an eye on it and raise any issues on the article talk page.

Regarding citation style, the guidance at WP:CITEVAR is worth a read. I generally fix such issues as and when I see them but, again, the sheer number of changes defeated me on this occasion. - Sitush (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you much for the thoughtful response and the links. I will read the discussion on Raj sources and citation styles before reverting my edits on Bhil people and look forward to discussing any issues that you or other editors may identify with the edits. Deccantrap (talk) 16:47, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Sitush - Since my Bhil people edits were reverted wholesale rather than piecemeal, I am not sure how to bring back individual pieces of information. I can undo your reversion, and then methodically delete items that you identified as not meeting editorial standards. Or is there a better way? Thanks. Deccantrap (talk) 02:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit of a mess, I admit. The choices would appear to be either revert me as you suggest or rebuild it using the history. Either way would produce the same result, so take your pick. - Sitush (talk) 15:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I will tackle it this weekend so that even if I have to revert you, the improper content is not up for more than the couple of hours that it will take me to clean it up. Deccantrap (talk) 20:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Edit of Title Picture

Dear Sitush, you have reverted my change to title picture in article Bhil. You have reverted it back to Children in risen district with caption- 'Bhil children in Raisen. The authenticity you say is the picture "APPEARS GENUINE". I ask, who are you to judge the appearance of bhil people. Where are your reliable source. Can you produce caste certificates and aadhar cards of these children to validate the information. Also in case these children are belonging to this ethnic group the picture don't belong to the information/title picture but somewhere down the article. The next point you give "we don't do Famous people"-contrary to this open Wikipedia page of any community, particularly ethnic groups in america like Irish Americans, Indian Americans you will only find 'famous people' whose identity of belonging to a particularly community is beyond any doubt and just does not "appear" as you say. One example of ethnic community where picture of school children indeed appear is in Native Hawaiians. But this said picture comes with all the credible information like photographer, details of picture and dates and unlike picture in question the said picture is well-cataloged historical document. On the other hand the picture I added is well known historical document and its validity as you call reliable source is evident in the wikipedia page of erstwhile Udaipur State. Also my previous edit's reliable source can be found on wikipedia page of Battle_of_Haldighati but leave this apart I will edit it with book citations later on. As far as your relaible source for my historical depiction of Bhil Warrior in attire is concerned here is link to the official page of custodians of erstwhile Mewar/Udaipur state http://www.eternalmewar.in/asm/coat-of-arms.html . Further another historical picture depicting Bhil warrior in his attire and role can be seen on Wikipedia page of Mayo College Ajmer's coat of arms. I wish you will restore the authentic changes I have made. Your reliable source for Mayo College coat of Arms is https://www.mayocollege.com/CoatOfArms.html

The photo that you removed was taken in the field by a respected administrator at Wikimedia Commons. The image that you added says nothing about the Bhil people. Mayo College appears to be completely irrelevant. - Sitush (talk) 13:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The picture you restored says what about bhil people? They are just some random children. The picture I uploaded is a historical document in public domain on wikipedia and it demonstration/depicts on historic role and attire of Bhil people as warriors. I find your so called respected administrator upload is totally irrelevant in this matter. Kindly try to understand the importance of this historic image with respect to Bhil people. I am moving 'Children' pic to Images- a more appropriate location. Thank You.

don't create an edit war

why you are creating edit war by removing Sikh from Bhagat singh early life and creating a false attitude that it is not mention in a source given along with it--Jagat jit singh (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

why you are not removing jat then

if you are talking that sikh creates a misleading in bhagat singh so why you don't remove jat which is not mentioned in a source given along with it. i have asked this question two times and you have not replied it. if you don't have the answer so please stay away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagat jit singh (talk • contribs) 13:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You have been told before. See the article talk page. - Sitush (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

taking complaints to someone else would not resolve the problem until you have not red the source. and i have asked certain questions you have still not replied--Jagat jit singh (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You are running a steamroller through our policies and guidelines, and you were lucky that my report to WP:AN3 on 23 December was archived before someone acted on it. I am fed up of telling you to read the article talk page and fed up of trying to explain why your edit is plain wrong. I don't know if you have some sort of problem with English language comprehension or are just being pig-headed about it but all is explained at Talk:Bhagat Singh. - Sitush (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Telugu people

I'm surprise that you deleted large part of it claiming that it is original research, when it clearly said Telugu speaking. On what basis do you claim it is original research, and is your assertion in itself an original research, unsupported by sources? Hzh (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summaries, Raj sources are not reliable and being situated in AP or Telangana does not make someone Telugu, nor does being situated in (say) London mean that someone isn't Telugu. The entire thing is a nonsense, as I said on the article talk page. It is driven by political motives, I suspect (on which subject, Horowitz might be worth a read). - Sitush (talk) 17:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Making claim is simple, it is for you to show that it is actually so. I could simply say everything you said is nonsense and driven by political motive, that does not mean that I am right. Deleting figures from Raj era by simply dismissing it as unreliable is really absurd. There are always inaccuracies in figures due to numerous factors, particular those from the past, that does not mean they are nonsense. It is for historians to sieve out what might be true or not, it is not for editors to simply assert and delete thing. Wikipedia may give sources where historians discuss the figures and their accuracy, it is not for editor to unitarily decide that something if unreliable without given valid reasons. That would actually be your original research, and a sourced figure is better than your unsupported assertion. Hzh (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The issue regarding Raj sources is a long-established consensus, discussed at numerous articles in the past, at WP:RSN, at WP:DR, WP:ANI, WT:INB etc. You might also care to read Census of India prior to independence. That not all of the population in a massive region speak a given language is common sense. - Sitush (talk) 17:39, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You appear to have misunderstood the figures. The figures are not just of people in the states, they are figures of those who speak Telugu in particular states, and image and the figures in the table given clearly shows that this is so (it shows proportion of population who spoke Telugu). I again repeat that it is not for you to simply assert that something is so, editors should give sources that would support your claim. Vague assertions about past discussions is of no help in this. Hzh (talk) 17:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I haven't misunderstood the figures. It is not just me who is asserting - it is a site-wide consensus. Have you read the article I linked above? The census enumerators didn't know what they were talking about (sic) and those being enumerated manipulated things. - Sitush (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Linguistic "nationalism" is a hot political topic in India. Always has been, probably always will be. - Sitush (talk) 17:54, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

BTW, where did Galletti get the info from if not from the census? - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You haven't shown anything that support your assertion that the particular set of figures are unreliable. What the article said is that the figures are "variable" (and that covered a large time span). Therefore I repeat, support your assertion with actual source that show that that set of data is unreliable. Hzh (talk) 18:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Can't prove a negative except by past discussions and consensus. Do you understand WP:CONSENSUS? Have you also ever seen WP:HISTRS (admittedly an essay, but a widely noted one)? Even if it were not unreliable, the information was ridiculously detailed. I've also got no idea why you are asking me all of this stuff here. - Sitush (talk) 18:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1891 Census of the North-Western Provinces and Oudh, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1901 Census of Rajputana, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1901 Census of the North-Western Provinces and Oudh - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F - something from RSN. - Sitush (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Some background - User:Sitush/CasteSources. - Sitush (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You haven't shown it is relevant to this. You cannot have a WP:CONSENSUS on this when it had not been discussed by the wider community before you deleted the figures. Since I don't know what relevance the past discussions may have on this particular case, you would need to show their relevance. For example, the source you gave said the figures are variable, that is not the same as they are all unreliable. It should also be noted that in the discussions you brought up, not many actually agree with you on you (some of those who agree with the deletion gave other reasons). That source gave population figures of Telugu speakers at a particular time, and would be valid for that particular period with whatever limitation that the figures may have. WP:HISTRS would apply if you want historians to discuss the figures. You can say that many modern census figures are also not accurate (for example, people don't bother to return the survey, sometimes deliberately avoiding it altogether), that does not mean that those figures should not be given. All census figures have limitations, I would therefore say that your action appears to be indiscriminate.

As I've said, I'm simply surprise by your assertion as it is apparently a misunderstanding of the figures. I don't care that much that you removed it, it's the manner you removed it. Personally I would have condensed it to a short paragraph of a few sentences. Hzh (talk) 18:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I stand by what I did, with the knowledge that I have a lot of experience in the subject area and have been in literally thousands of similar discussions over the last decade or so. I am nonetheless no more perfect than anyone else: you're welcome to raise the issue at the appropriate venue, which is not here. - Sitush (talk) 20:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

AFD on Burton Speiser

I’ve nominated Burton Speiser for deletion again. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burton Speiser (2nd nomination). Billhpike (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Articles for Creation Reviewing

Hello, Sitush. AfC submissions Random submission ~6 weeks 996 pending submissions to update I recently sent you an invitation to join NPP, but you also might be the right candidate for another related project, AfC, which is also extremely backlogged. Would you please consider becoming an Articles for Creation reviewer? Articles for Creation reviewers help new users learn the ropes of creating their first articles, and identify whether topics are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Reviewing drafts doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia inclusion policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After requesting to be added to the project, reviewing is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the reviewing instructions before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 02:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Illathu Nair

the illathu nair is a subcaste of nair and it should need its own page . since all the other subcaste of nair have their own page . more over the information provided is well sourced and true — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaypillai (talk • contribs) 15:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Nope. You've done nothing but disrupt this project over the last 12 months or so with your incompetent attempts to force your opinion against consensus and policy etc. It's about time you were indefinitely topic banned and perhaps even blocked. - Sitush (talk) 15:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Read Ahluwalia Talk Page

thanks

KingG1001 (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

jain awadhiya samaj

dear sitush,

you seem to have ignored the vast number of awadhiyas who are jains and who are not in any way connected to bihar.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/uttarakhand/community/avalanches-result-of-rise-in-temperature-parrikar/230176.html

https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/abide-by-constitution-ministers-will-come-and-go-prez/872361

http://mpsbb.info/MP_Plant_Biodiversity/Resume.pdf

https://in.linkedin.com/in/iitkian

this person is awadhiya and is a jain. he is from madhya pradesh. he belongs to general category.

there are many ias ips ifs officers in your country who are jains and use surname awadhiya.

awadhiya actually means "who belongs to awadh". just like surname "pilania" refers to 'who hails from pilani'. or jhunjhunwala refers to 'who belongs to jhunjhunu'.

awadhiya is not a caste. and majority of awadhiyas are jains who are neither connected to bihar, nor do belong to reservation category. they are very successful and powerful people in contemporary times.

i hope that this helps.

thanks and regards, the awadhiya jain samaj