User talk:NewYorkActuary

Draft:Natalie Duddington

Thank you for reviewing my proposed article on Natalie Duddington.

I am puzzled that you expect the article to conform to WP:NACADEMIC criteria: she was by no means an academic, never teaching at any institution. Yet the occasional papers that she published are remembered and cited to this day (see note 12) by academics. I checked just one article of hers in Google scholar and found more than a dozen citations, most of them from the current century -- how about that for an article dating from exactly a hundred years ago!

Duddington was a translator, a thoroughly neglected species throughout much of the 20th century. Reviews of translated books frequently omitted to mention the translator's name; even publishers tended to think of them as convenient hacks. So there are few reviews or assessments of her work -- I quote a major one by a leading academic (note 9). Excluding her from Wiki merely perpetuates this injustice.

Duddington translated 28 books (that I have identified so far). Not a bad score, considering that in addition she collaborated with Garnett on at least that many. Working alone, she made her own choice of books to translate and had to persuade publishers to accept them. And they are remembered. On Google scholar, I counted 480 hits for her name.

For me, this "is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia."

Thanks for your attention, gpeterw (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

@Gpeterw: My apologies for the delay in response. As with many other Wikipedians, I look to WP:NACADEMIC for persons whose work can be described as "scholarly". But I certainly do not intend you to be limited to that set of criteria. If you believe that WP:NCREATIVE is more appropriate, then feel free to fashion an argument that looks to the criteria set forth there. But either way, I'm not seeing any demonstration of notability. Instead, I'm seeing a draft that largely asserts notability on the basis of the subject's relationship with Constance Garnett, along with a few papers on philosophy. To me, these do not demonstrate notability. But, I see that you disagree and, perhaps, so too will the next reviewer who looks at your draft. I encourage you to re-submit your draft and find out what the next reviewer thinks. If I can be of any further assistance, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 14:29, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Many thanks for your suggestion. I suspect you mistook the list of Duddington's own translations as her collaborative work with Garnett. I'll try to make this clearer and re-submit. Cheers gpeterw (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

18:43:47, 15 April 2017 review of submission by Rdev5

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  • Draft:Margot Machol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi,

This draft has been resubmitted for review a little while ago but there still hasn't been a response on it yet. Any chance I could get someone to review it?

Thanks!

@Rdev5: As of right now, there are about 350 submissions in the queue ahead of yours. It will probably be another two weeks or so until someone gets around to taking another look at your draft. Thank you for your patience. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:24, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 15:19:00, 17 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Hoglundandy

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  • Draft:The Weight Band (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am confused. My page for THE WEIGHT BAND is based on the format of DEAD AND COMPANY's page. They're very similar groups, spinoffs of legendary 70s musical acts. THE WEIGHT BAND is planning an upcoming album; would it help to reference that more? I'm just unclear why one band, which is active yet derived on a more iconic iteration is allowed, but not another? Hoglundandy (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Hoglundandy: Thanks for following up on this. I took a look at the Dead & Company article and can see your concern about disparate treatment. But Wikipedia has more than 5 million user-generated articles and it is inevitable that some will exist even though they shouldn't. If it were up to me, the Dead & Co. article would be merged into the article on the Grateful Dead. Its existence as a separate article doesn't change my belief that the Weight Band should not have a separate article. However, I expect that you disagree and so too might another reviewer. I encourage you to clean up the article as best you can and re-submit it for review by another reviewer. If you decide to take this route, you might want to reconsider placing so much emphasis on events that took place before the band existed. You might also want to clean up the "Further Readings" section, because it should not duplicate any sources that are already being used as footnotes. And, you probably want to remove all of the External Links about the Band (their presence in the article really contradicts your contention that the Weight Band has separate stand-alone notability). And finally, I might not be the only reviewer who notices that your links to the Weight Band's entries in IMDB and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are actually links to the entries for the Band. I hope this response has been helpful. Good luck with the draft. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Lucas Hucher

Your recent comment on the Draft:Lucas Hucher, was incorrect and insufficient. If you look after "Nicholas Middleton-Ensign" you will see an abbreviation, Ld.H., which is an acronym for Lord of the Manor of Hougun. The draft never stated that Nick Ensign was descended from British Royalty. The article simply acknowledged that Nick Ensign was a Lord of the Manor, which is not a part of British Royalty or peerage, but remains apart of the non-peerage nobility, the lowest of nobility. Also, unless you are educated on a topic, do not comment. 02:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BriantTheatre (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the comments. I guess I was misled by an earlier version of Draft:Nick Ensign, which claimed (without sourcing) that he was a baron in Cumbria. Good luck getting your drafts accepted for publication. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

You would be correct, but also incorrect at the same time. The last author to write about Nick Ensign claimed some outlandish things, that is why I removed them and replaced them with correct and supported facts. Nick Ensign, and also Lucas Hucher, are new authors and have not come into the world stage quite yet. But I would also appreciate it if you could contribute to the articles, if you have the time and are willing. But, a Feudal Baron is not part of royalty. A feudal baron is just another word for Lord of the Manor, which can also be another title for a Laird. And technically, all three titles are right below that of knight. 17:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BriantTheatre (talk • contribs)

Restoring unsourced content

Hey, could you explain why you rolled back to this (where they also removed the AfD notice) and removed sourced content? Also, it's been rather well established that Miss Grand International is not notable. Thanks! CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Chrissymad: Hello, Chrissy. Thanks for following up on this. The page's primary author was wrong to remove the AfD notice and, in my very next edit after restoring the original content, I re-added that notice (I also added a citation-needed tag for the date and venue of the international pageant). As for the more basic question, there simply is no prohibition against mentioning non-notable topics in an article. Biographies of actors are permitted to mention non-notable films, biographies of authors are permitted to mention non-notable books, biographies of athletes are permitted to mention non-notable teams on which they played early (or late) in their careers. These non-notable topics might not contribute to the overall assessment of the subject's notability, but they do contribute to painting a more-complete picture of the subject. As for removing sourced content, I wasn't aware that I did that (I thought I was restoring sourced content when I restored the primary author's version of the page). If I'm mistaken about that, please let me know. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

NewYorkActuary I understand about notability in notable subjects however the bigger issue here is that the claims replaced sourced content with unsourced content that was also non-notable. In this case, yes, your revision not only removed the AfD (which you did remedy) but restored both content that was irrelevant from an encyclopedic standpoint and unsourced on a BLP. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Chrissy. Thanks for getting back to me. Looking through the article history, I see that the references were removed by the other editor here. When I restored the AfD banner, I should have restored those references, as well. And, indeed, I would have if I had realized that they were removed. I've gone back and restored the one that appeared in the body of the article, but not the one that appeared in the lead. That latter reference was being used to source a statement that was already being sourced in the body of the article, so I saw no point in restoring it. But if you feel strongly about it, feel free to add it back in. Thanks again for getting back to me. NewYorkActuary (talk) 05:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Alpha FX

@NewYorkActuary: Hello! Thank you for taking the time to provide the feedback on the draft of "Alpha FX". Would you be able to take a look at the wikipedia page of 'Global Reach Partners', another corporate foreign exchange provider? I feel the content is a lot less notable than Alpha FX and yet they have a Wikipedia page, so I must have missed something. If I know what Global Reach Partners have done right, I should be able to achieve the same for Alpha FX, as this is a much larger force in the UK foreign exchange space than Global Reach in terms of growth and plc status. Many thanks Harveyjakes (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC) Jake

@Harveyjakes: Thanks for following up on this. I've taken a look at that other article and agree that it, too, has not demonstrated encyclopedic notability. But that doesn't mean that an article on your company should be accepted for publication. Wikipedia has more than 5 million user-generated articles and it is inevitable that some will exist even though they should not. That other articles seems to me to be one of the very many that should not exist. Later today I will nominate it for deletion.

On a different matter, I've moved your posting from the top of this Talk page to the bottom (which is where it should have been posted). I also added a descriptive heading for it (a standard practice when starting a new conversation on a Talk page). These two things are done automatically when you click the "New section" tab that appears at the top of every person's Talk page.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Less sass more research

Please read wiki policy before you continue to vent your opinions :) Skinduptruk (talk) 22:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Huggle

Hi there, there are a number of edits that you have reverted using huggle and have reported a user to the Admins however you have not warned this user enough times. Corruptcopper (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Corruptcopper. Thank you for the message. But was it really intended for me? I don't use Huggle, so I'm unsure what reversions and reports you are concerned with. If I really am the person you wanted to contact, it would be helpful if you supplied some diffs for the reversions/reports. I look forward to hearing from you. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

You Need to Know this

I'm just giving you a heads-up that, Chem-is-try7, a Wikipedian you've been reverting on this article - Chios Mastiha - has reported you for Edit Warring, but seems to have not notified you of this, as per what is stated at the top of the noticeboard, which clearly instructs users to reported those they are notifying on this noticeboard. From what I've seen, this is a matter you should attend to ASAP! GUtt01 (talk) 19:27, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Unsigned posting

Wow, I thought I knew something about computers, but I've never encountered anything as non-user friendly as trying to get an article on Wikipedia and trying to navigate around the draft section.. Holy mackerel, Wikipedia is so handy and easy to use to read article, but really tough to put up an article!! just venting here....!!!! guess I'm giving up.... sigh! Unsigned, left by User:Moleknoll 15:40 2 September 2017

@Moleknoll: I've moved your posting from the top of this Talk page to the bottom (which is where it should have been posted). I also added a descriptive heading for it (a standard practice when starting a new conversation on a Talk page). These two things are done automatically when you click the "New section" tab that appears at the top of every person's Talk page.

Regarding the substance of your posting, I'm unsure how to respond. I hope you'll stick around to help improve Wikipedia. But if your interests truly lie only in getting that one draft published, I'll understand why you might not want to stick around. Either way, if I can be of any assistance, please let me know. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Spread(Intuitionism)

Your feedback was quite welcome; though very disheartening if your views are shared by all reviewers.

When most students hear about a topic that they are unfamiliar with, be it in mathematics or another subject entirely, they will usually search for a plain english explenation of that topic. Wikipedia is an excellent resource for this and it tends to be the first port of call for most students (or hobbyist scholars). While, to many people, an abstract topic such as this would be uninteresting, to someone looking for it it would be of immense use (as to how many people would seek it, that is rather chicken and egg, only if people are aware something exists will they seek it). One could use a "glazed eyes" argument for the exclusion of any topic, indeed, why not also apply such reasoning to classical literature (which no-one but literary professors read) and philosophy (which no-one but philosophers are interested in)?

I am hoping to put together a series of 5 connected articles; Bar Induction, Spreads, The Fan Theorem (a landmark result in intuitionistic mathematics), The Uniform Continuity Theorem (a landmark result in intuitionistic analysis) and Choice Sequences (a topic that already possesses a page, but one that is grossly misinformed). The reason for doing this is that intuitionistic mathematics is very well published in journals and texts, but it has not been rendered in a publically accessible format to date. This is my aim, to present a snapshot of the key topics in this fieldn in a way accessible to someone who is interested, nothing more and nothing less. While there are few "real world" applications to this subject (the only published one being the use of bar induction (when reletivised to a certain spread) in picking stocks) I believe it is worth including, the same could be argued for any literary or philosophical topic with no "real world" applications, of which Wikipedia has no shortage! In essence, the context of the article is it's place in intuitionistic mathematics.

Thank you very much for directing me to the citation standards, I shall emulate them to the best of my ability without directing users to documents that even I would shudder to read! I do intend to continue to refine this article till it is included; regardless of how long it takes.

J.f.appleby (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

@J.f.appleby: Hello, J.f. My apologies for the delay in response.

When I speak of the "real world" aspects of a mathematics topic, I don't necessarily mean (for example) that it is used by an engineer to build a bridge. What I really mean is something more general. Such as -- what is the real-world history of the topic? When was it developed? Who developed it? Did it have antecedents? Was it intended to address some perceived weakness or gap in the then-current state of mathematics? And what impact did it have on the world of mathematics or the world in general? Has it influenced any further developments, whether inside or outside of its specific field? An article that consists essentially of definitions and basic results doesn't answer any of those questions. I recognize I could have communicated these concerns more clearly than I did in my initial response and I appreciate your giving me the opportunity to clarify my concerns.

Articles aimed at the general reader definitely can be written. The "Foundations of Mathematics" article over at the on-line version of the Encyclopedia Britannica does a reasonably good job of it. As does our own article on Intuitionism. In both cases, a general reader who has no interest in the topic probably won't read the article at all. But a general reader who does "take the plunge" is given a fair chance at walking away from the experience understanding something about the topic. And that's the problem I continue to see with your draft -- general readers are not going to learn anything from it, nor are they being given any reason to even try.

A friendly word of advice -- the next time you discuss this with a reviewer, you probably don't want to emphasize that the article will be helpful to mathematics students. An experienced reviewer might simply point you to the Mathematics section of Wikibooks], along with the general admonition that Wikipedia is not a text book.

I hope this discussion is helpful to you. If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

why reversing?

Hello, I working on Russian hackers book, and eventually interview their lawyers, themselves and related persons. No big deal, but i just marked you reversed my changes on ice agents escorting badb. I talked to him and to his lawyer, both confirm. I also have printed paper from dhs which badb published long time ago on vk, where it descripts how he is to be deported. When it is fact is fact,and i seen badb personally in moscow, driving car, having gun license, and not at all person who needs escort in airplane. So, please, sir, explain me the reasons why you reversed those changes. Thanks. Smartgoon (talk) 06:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Jason Innocent

Hi I seen you made changes to Jason Innocent. I add information to his talk page. Thank you.

Tice89 (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Looking for advice

Hi. I posted about a problem that I sometimes have with draft space articles and uncooperative article creators. The section I opened is here [1]. If you can help, it would be much appreciated. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

FYI. I posted a similar request on Robert McClenon's talk page [2]. Regards. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments left at WP:Articles for deletion/Bossing & Ai. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Reversal of List_of_films_featuring_time_loops

I'm surprised by this revert. If someone becomes his/her own ancestor, that would definitely qualify as a time loop, I would have thought. Can you explain how a "causal loop" is different from a "time loop"? Also, how does this particular movie not fit into the list, given that some of the other entries deal with quite similar loops? MichiHenning (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@MichiHenning: Hello, Michi. Thanks for following up on this. A discussion of this issue took place last year on the Talk page of the article. I'm not sure that the discussion reached any definitive conclusion, but reading it might give some insight into the differences that are sometimes drawn between "causal loops" and "time loops". A more direct answer to your question can be gotten from the sentence that appears at the very top of the article -- where it calls for plots that show people experiencing the "same period of time repeatedly". From the description that you gave in your edit, I didn't see how this condition had been met. But given the wide range of opinion on this topic, I'll not object to you adding the material back into the table. However, others at that article might object, and they almost certainly will object to having an unsourced entry. To avoid that problem, you'll need to find a reliable source that describes the film as a "time loop film". If you can do that, your addition will probably pass muster with the folks at that page. I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Cool, thank you for the detailed reply. I'll have to watch the movie first; once I've done that, I'll see whether a search for sources would be worthwhile. MichiHenning (talk) 11:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Valentine Joseph

Hello. I understand why you reverted the edit to the article, with the same logic do you agree that the last edit should be reverted? Regards - Heptanitrocubane (talk) 19:14, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Overlinking

Sorry, thanks for pointing that out. I will now follow the guidlines you stated. Thank you! Phoenix53004 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

French Guiana

Sorry about that. You were right. Ezhao02 (talk) 00:42, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

01:30:56, 31 October 2017 review of submission by Ackee123

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  • User:Ackee123/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I have added more information with citations from reliable secondary sources. I was only wanting to start a stub and thought I wasn't to make it very long. There is also an LA Review of Books piece coming out about her work in December, should I leave it until then? Feeling a little demoralized after going into the live chat, the editor there seemed to have an issue with the book review that is used to cite her work as being recognized as experimental and oppositional. Not sure what to say there without discussing whether they have read this author's work or not.. I was just trying to get some help, no worries if you reject it again, will go back and look for more sources. It's late here, will chekc back another day Thanks for having looked at it when you did as wasn't expecting that so fast. Ackee123 (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Science fiction

Thanks for correcting my edit in Science fiction. I missed the mention of the Ukraine in the section. I made some other changes, especially adding and moving some pictures, but have tried not to remove anything of substance.PopSci (talk) 21:23, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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New Page Reviewing

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Advice

Hey I didn't know who to come to for this but I need some advice on how to handle a situation. As you've probably noticed, there are IP editors who are simply undoing almost all of my edits (primarily on beauty pageant-related articles) and slandering me saying that I am spamming and that I should be blocked. This started a few weeks ago with one IP and I had them blocked almost immediately. A few days later it was a different IP, blocked again. But at this point it's happening every single day with a different IP address each day. All the IP addresses are traced back to Thailand, and I believe it started after I removed some information from the Maria Lynn Ehren article because it was unsourced and unencyclopedic, so I clearly just pissed someone off. At this point it's just extremely inconvenient and annoying, but I have no idea how to stop it as it's a new IP address each time, and I was just wondering if you had any advice on the situation. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• I'm looking at one of them, but I have a question for you as well: can you please remove that shading from your signature? It's hard to read. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jjj1238:} Hello, Jjj. Thanks for raising this issue. I too have been jousting for the past few days with IP addresses, but mine seem to be located in Teheran. As for your particular situation, I think that a new IP address who quickly calls for you to be blocked is probably a blocked editor themselves. And there has been a lot of blocking in this area, largely for sockpuppetry. So, you might be right that you simply annoyed someone by editing a particular article. But I wouldn't discount the possibility that you've been caught up in a larger situation involving sock farms.

As for moving forward, there's "safety in numbers". I'll put that page on my watchlist so that you don't have to be the only one reverting those edits. I do, however, have one disagreement with your edits. Although the music videos do not confer notability on the subject, they are still a valid part of the subject's biography. My concern is not that the article mentions them, but that it is essentially providing a link farm to each YouTube video. I'll look for a way to avoid this problem and I hope the IP addresses (and you) will see it as an acceptable compromise.

Looking even further down the road, I can't help believing that these disruptive editors are thriving in an environment where the Beauty Pageants WikiProject has abdicated any measure of control over the articles in their scope. The recent edit wars we saw at the 2017 Universe and World articles might have been avoided if the Project had simply taken the time to develop a Manual of Style for these types of articles. At some point (soon, I hope) the good-faith editors in this field will begin to see the Project's Talk page as a good place to develop consensus on the many questions that arise in these articles.

I don't know if I've satisfactorily addressed your concerns. If not, feel free to follow up. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• I'm also keeping an eye on the situation. I gave one a warning - although I noticed you gave one a "final warning" when they hadn't had a first warning. I'm monitoring & if it continues I'm going to put up a sockpuppet report. --- PageantUpdater (talk) 00:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all for the input. I just hope that this is stopped soon because it is so frustrating and disrespectful. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Roxette Qiu

Hello, NewYorkActuary. Is there any reason why you insist on using Roxette Qiu? Are you working for any public relations agencies, media consulting or some sort for Miss Universe Organization? Please explain why providing complete, credibly-sourced, encyclopedic information considered to be contempt of WP:BRD?

Evidences and references are provided. And this is NOT one time misstatement, as demonstrated by hundreds of sites and millions of documents using Roxana and Roxy, aside from Roxette. Hence can we just let all multiple names to be listed?

After posting here, I will be reverting your edit. If you restore that material without gaining consensus for it, I will report the matter to an Wikipedia executive. Thank you for your attention to this matter. User:Steinpal (talk) 19:58, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Steinpal: I've moved your posting from the top of the page down here to the bottom, which is where new Talk page postings are normally placed. This is done automatically if you start new threads by clicking on the "New section" tab at the top of the page.

In your first edit to the article in question, you described my work as "vandalism". If you truly believe that I am engaging in vandalism, you should report me at WP:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Your posting here also questions whether I am engaged in conflict-of-interest violations. The proper venue for reporting such problems is WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. And of course, there is the general purpose WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. If you are concerned about problematic editing on my part, I encourage you to file a report against me in whichever of these venues you feel is most appropriate.

As for the article in question, you might want to familiarize yourself with WP:NOCONSENSUS, which essentially states that you'll need to gain consensus to add or retain biographical material after that material has been challenged. And the place to get that consensus will be the Talk page of the article, at Talk:Roxette Qiu. I expect that you will be quite willing to do this, given your testimony here that there are "hundreds of sites and millions of documents" that support your position. Perhaps you could start the Talk page discussion by linking us to just ten of those sites. If those sites are reliable sources, I imagine that gaining consensus will be a straightforward task. In the meantime, I am going to re-visit the article to present sourced information that will address both of our concerns. I hope you will view it as a reasonable compromise.

Thank you for starting this discussion. I look forward to continuing it on the article's Talk page. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you + feedback request

Thank you so much for feedback on my submission of the Bugcrowd draft. Your explanation was certainly helpful and I do appreciate your time.

Do you have any suggestions for a rough number of "notable" or noteworthy sources should be included in a post to make it qualify as Notable? I'm planning to work on tracking stuff down later today and I'm wondering if there's a sweetspot or number that is a good goal to have in mind.

Really do appreciate your help. This is my first page and I'm planning to contribute more in the future, I just want to make sure I get things right :) BlueAnt (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@BlueAnt: Hello again, BlueAnt. Thanks for asking about this. There is no set number of sources that will cause a topic to be considered "notable". Instead, the better question is whether the topic itself is of encyclopedic interest and, if so, whether the "story" of that topic can be supported with reliable sources. Your draft currently devotes about half of its text to describing the funding it received. But all companies get their funding from one source or another and there is rarely anything encyclopedic about the particular sources. We can say the same thing about your draft's list of clients. A plumber working in the Los Angeles area might have many notable people as its customers, but that doesn't mean that the plumbing company gets an article on Wikipedia. And similarly for a description of your company's services -- all companies provide products and services and this, in itself, does not confer encyclopedic notability.

So, what to do? If you haven't done so already, take a look at WP:NCORP, which sets out our thinking on the notability of companies and organizations. You might also take a look at some of our better articles in the field of computer security -- such as Fortinet or Anonymous (group). As just an illustration of one of my points here, the article on Fortinet does discuss the company's funding, but it does so with just two sentences in an article that is much larger than your draft. And note also that it doesn't devote itself to a mere description of the company and its services -- it also gives reliably-sourced detail about the impact that this company has had in the real world. No one would mistake the Fortinet article as being an extension of the company's web site or its social-media campaign. On the other hand, someone might well mistake your draft for those things.

This is why I've suggested that you might want to start small and see how much of your material can find a home in the article on bug bounty programs. Over time, your company might do things that make it easier to demonstrate notability, at which point it would become easier to justify having a separate article for the company.

I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Julia Mora article

I see you guys redirected that article,but how long does that take? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daquan7474 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Daquan7474: Hello, Daquan. Thanks for asking about this. But, it hasn't been decided yet. The discussion is still on-going. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The discussion has been closed on the administrators noticeboard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daquan7474 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

No personal attacks

Disappointed by your recent comments on Political midlife crisis talk page, which I'm deleting.

Please read WP: No Personal Attacks in full, which explains why I'm responding here and not on the article talk page. Crawiki (talk) 14:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

NOTE: Response given here. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion dealing with Burma/Myanmar Railways

An article that you may have been involved in editing—Myanmar Railways—has been proposed for merging with Rail transport in Myanmar. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. --Bejnar (talk) 23:20, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Ariana Miyamoto

Hi New YorkActuary. Just so to clarify, her actual height is the value that I edited. I downgraded her predecessor's height as well. You can check her official height given at Miss Universe 2014. My apologies. Lhopshe (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Lhopshe: I've moved your posting from the top of the page down here to the bottom, which is where new Talk page postings are normally placed. This is done automatically if you start new threads by clicking on the "New section" tab at the top of the page. Also, please remember to sign your postings on Talk pages by adding four tildes (i.e., ~~~~) at the end of the posting.

As for the original issue, I think you're missing a basic point about editing here on Wikipedia -- simply being correct is not enough. Nor is it enough to tell someone that they can go look it up for themselves. Instead, you need to demonstrate that you are correct by adding a reference to the material that you are relying upon. You can learn more about doing this at WP:Referencing for beginners. And if the source of your information is the Miss Universe web site, then you probably want to do that by using the {{cite web}} template. That template can be a little tricky for new editors so, later today, I'll go ahead and add the reference to the Miyamoto article. You can then use it as an example for adding references in other articles.

One last point -- you might not be aware of this, but articles on pageant winners are subject to a lot of vandalism. And much of that vandalism takes the form of changing the subject's personal data. Indeed, if you look at your edit history, you'll see that your edits were tagged with a message that said something like "change made to height or weight". This happens so often that many editors here (including me) routinely revert these changes if they are not accompanied by an explanation or by a reference. I did see that one of your edits (on another article) changed what was clearly an inaccurate number, but the one at the Miyamoto article is not so obvious and really needs to be supported by documentation.

I hope this has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 01:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tax haven

You engagement with other editors in this discussion would be invaluable.Leutha (talk) 14:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

NOTE: Response given on 8 January 2018. NewYorkActuary (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for help from an unexperienced contributor

Hi, I noticed that you are an experienced Wikipedia contributor and some time ago you edited in good faith a article about Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. During the holiday period an IP clearly affiliated with this party has heavily edited this page as well as page of it's founder Bob Avakian and their offshoot Refuse Fascism. Most of these edits put the party in positive light, whitewash, remove criticisms etc, most are sourced from websites directly affiliated with the part.. These are the only articles the IP edits. When I tried to revert these edits I got a warning for engaging in edit warring, which was probably the case, since I don't really know the rules that well yet. The recommendation was to start a discussion on the talk page, which I did in Refuse Fascism article, but my pleads were ignored. I would like to ask you to take a look at the article in question and see if those edits are legitimate/illegitimate and proceed accordingly. Because they do look like a politically motivated PR move from Party staffer/recruit. Thank you.FreedomGonzo (talk) 06:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@FreedomGonzo: Hello, Gonzo. My apologies for the delay in response. The holiday season left me little time to work on Wikipedia and I am only now digging out of the backlog.

When I took a look at the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA article, my first thought was that you and the IP addresses were all wasting your time, because the article faced the bigger problem of being primarily sourced by its own publications. Of the fifteen sources in the article, nine are from the organization's website and three more are from people associated with the party. Such reliance on its own statements is the bigger problem (I thought) because it made the article vulnerable to being nominated for deletion. But then I learned that the article had indeed been nominated about three months ago by someone who apparently saw the same things that I did. The deletion debate, shown at WP:Articles for deletion/Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, ended in a "keep" decision, because three editors presented third-party sourcing sufficient to convince the closing administrator that the organization was notable. Unfortunately, little (if any) of that third-party sourcing has found its way into the article.

As for your particular concern, jousting with an IP-hopping agenda-driven editor can easily become a frustrating experience. But because I am not sufficiently learned in the details of the Party (including what appears to be a controversy surrounding its founder), I am not in a position to make any informed judgements on the quality of the IP's edits. Nor, for that matter, am I in any position to make any informed judgements about yours. But I can offer two suggestions that might be helpful.

First, I saw that there are several citation-needed and better-source-needed tags on the article. One thing you can do is adopt a zero-tolerance approach to unsourced controversial information (and by "zero tolerance", I mean to simply remove it). I do NOT recommend that you do this in one fell swoop. Instead, remove one unsupported claim at a time (waiting a few days in between) and prepare yourself for the pushback that you are likely to get from the IP address. But if the IP address refuses to engage in discussion on the matter, and if you are mindful of not violating the restrictions on edit-warring, you will find that administrators will likely support the removal of that material.

The second thing you can do is to place the entire article on a more scholarly footing. One thing that came out of the deletion discussion was that the Party is the subject of a chapter in a book that can be read on Google and that it was also the subject of a book that can be viewed (in part) at Amazon.com (and I noticed that the authors of this book also have another relevant one at Amazon, though I didn't look too closely at it). Assuming that the authors of these three books are not affiliated with the Party, you ought to have enough material to cobble together a history of the Party that doesn't use first-party sourcing at all. And as for the contentious material about its founder, you can treat that in journalistic fashion by describing the nature of the controversy and giving both sides equal treatment in expressing their views (and, here, it is appropriate to use first-party material, so long as the source is given in-text attribution, such as "So-and-so says that ...").

All of this will take time and effort, but the result will be an informative article that no one would ever consider nominating for deletion. I hope this has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 01:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

hi

Good afternoon, I would like to ask for your help to edit a Draft: Israel Lucas Góis Monteiro, if I help? several references follow.

Let's put this article on the air.

REDACTED list of twelve external links, viewable here

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WksBolteditor (talk • contribs) 13:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@WksBolteditor: Hello, WksBolteditor. Thank you for asking. But I'm not interested in working on that article. I see that you've already submitted Draft:Israel Lucas Góis Monteiro for review at the Articles for Creation project and I wish you the best of luck with that. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for help

Would you take a look at this? It's about a disagreement and how to proceed. I'm making an honest effort. If you're busy, I understand. Thanks.
–Vmavanti (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Good to hear from you again. And sorry to see that you've been having a tough time at that discussion. Indeed, I salute your ability to remain calm in the face of that disagreement.

Truth be told, I lost interest in Zappa by the '80s. To me, the "real" Zappa is what he was doing during his Hot Rats / WakaJawaka / Grand Wazoo period. And if memory serves, we did tend to call that stuff jazz rock. So, seeing Zappa's discography labeled as something of interest to the Jazz WikiProject doesn't strike me as odd. But more to the point, the people on the other side of your debate are being quite reasonable when they say that the scope of a project is something that's decided by the participants themselves, and not by sources. (Indeed, that position is consistent with the basic guidance given at WP:WikiProject Council/Guide#Identify the best scope.) I do see your point about increasing the efficiency of the Project's work by limiting its scope to core "jazz" topics. But this is an argument that must be won by persuasion, and not by logic.

I think the far more fractious debate would be whether the Frank Zappa article should appear in Category:American jazz guitarists. His name does not appear in the List of jazz guitarists and I think there's a reasonable argument for not including his biography in the jazz-guitarist category, either. But, you'll almost certainly get pushback from people if you try to remove the article from that category, so much so that a Request for Comments might be the only feasible approach for achieving that result.

I hope this has been helpful. Good luck with the discussion. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I have no feelings about Zappa. I never met the guy. I should have said that what I really want to know is the quality of my approach to the debate. Am I debating correctly? What about my use of sources? Shouldn't the debate address the sources and passages I have mentioned? Today I gave three solid ones, but they haven't even been touched. Instead, lots of name calling and childish outbursts. Aren't we Wikipedia editors supposed to use these sources as the basis for judgment? I spent a lot of time yesterday and today reading, underlining, writing, and, it should go without saying, thinking. I presented my side of the debate in clear, neutral language. The particular subject is not a big deal. It means nothing to me. I want to know if I am approaching debate correctly, whether I have the rules right, or whether there are any rules. Perhaps the problem is that I'm dealing improperly with people who are very young chronologically or emotionally or both. Perhaps that is the book I ought to read.
–Vmavanti (talk) 23:36, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Your follow-up raises several questions, but I think you've summarized them nicely when you ask "if I am approaching [the] debate correctly". And frankly, no, I don't think you are. I reach this opinion because you look to be attempting to use sources the "prove" something that is essentially unprovable. The guidance linked in my first response tells us that the scope of a WikiProject can be defined arbitrarily, though there is also a suggestion that the definition be sensible. And so, I see the issue as whether it makes sense for the Jazz project to declare an interest in articles whose subject matter doesn't fall within a strict definition of "jazz" itself. That's the discussion that you need to have with the other editors, and it will be a discussion that will require much more in the nature of persuasion than it will for proof.

I see that you've already raised the issue at the Talk page of the Jazz project. That strikes me as the right place to have the discussion. I doesn't look like you'll prevail there, but I continue to wish you the best of luck with it. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

This caught my attention the first time and you repeated it, so I have to ask how you distinguish between proof and persuasion. It's the kind of distinction a well-educated man would make. I have found persuasion impossible in real life and on Wikipedia. I'm unwilling to engage in the dark arts that work today to persuade someone, about which much has been written and about which I have seen more than I wanted. Although I find myself unpersuasive, I consider myself persuadable and still capable of changing my mind. Thanks for the replies.Vmavanti (talk) 23:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: "Dark arts"? It seems I've inadvertently triggered some strong reactions by using the word "persuasion". Sorry 'bout that. My intention was purely mundane. I meant merely that, rather than trying to prove that your position is right and theirs is wrong, you might do better by arguing that the workings of the Jazz project would be improved if it adopted your position. If "persuasion" is not a good word for this, how about "sales pitch"? NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

No offense taken. Ignore that comment. I was thinking of something else. I thought I was being persuasive by presenting the sources as plainly as possible, but I don't know how to respond to nonsense and psychological projection. I can neither help people read nor do their thinking for them. I find most people unreasonable. They don't come to their arguments through reason and so reason is alien to them. Their justifications amount to "I want". To me that has always seemed like an unmovable wall. It might be a mistake for people to write and edit subjects about which they have strong feelings, because then they have trouble being impartial. Generally I have managed to avoid writing and editing subjects about which I have strong feelings, though it's easy because there are so few. I'm always surprised when I face strong emotional reactions to trivial matters. People here will go to war over a comma. But then I come back to "I want". One's own desires and one's own ego can often seem like the most important subject in the history of mankind.

More practically, perhaps, I have tried to explain how many jazz articles there are and how much work needs to be done and how it benefits everyone if Wikiproject Jazz were reduced to articles about jazz. I have also tried to explain the value of knowing what jazz is and how stretching the definition too far makes it meaningless, that readers are harmed by false definitions, and that subjectivity is not equal to arbitrariness. I have repeatedly reassured people that I'm not making a moral or value judgment and that it's OK to like whatever music you want. But I think because jazz has become elevated into some kind of religion, people attach themselves to it in the hope of elevating themselves, something that used to happen more often in classical music. So now everyone's me-tooing jazz. To say "not jazz" is to be accused of running a restricted club. Ironically, I think jazz is far less important and precious than my detractors do. I suspect I am older than many people here. I'm going to read more about how a Wikiproject is supposed to work.
–Vmavanti (talk) 03:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

National Sweetheart

Hi there. I'd like to ask you to take a fresh look at the deletion debate on the National Sweetheart pageant. I think you were too quick on the draw with the Redirect opinion there; please do take another few minutes searching for sources and checking the ones I list and do revise your opinion if you feel it is called for. Carrite (talk) 19:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

@Carrite: Thanks for the note. When the article was nominated, it looked like it was going to turn into one of those discussions that sees one "Delete per nom" after another. So I went into defensive mode to salvage what I could of the material. But who would've thought that the article might be saved by a deus ex Carrite? And so, yes, I'll take a closer look at your sources later today. NewYorkActuary (talk) 20:00, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Oldest cats list

Hello NYA. I just figured out how to navigate to this talk page so please bear with me as I am in new territory. I did receive a request to complete the copyright on the documents I used to confirm Poon's date of birth and current proof of life. Does that satisfy your concerns?

I agree with other contributors that cats without documentation of age should not be on this list. However, the rigor of the documentation often is only a dated link to a news article that surmises the age of the cat listed. That is the reason I submitted actual documents for this particular cat... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtistEscape (talk • contribs) 23:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

@ArtistEscape: Hello, Artist. Thanks for following up on this. The question of using those documents is currently being discussed on the Talk page of the article (at Talk:List of oldest cats). And as I point our there, the concern is not with copyrights, it is with the more-basic question of whether it is permissible to use unpublished documents as sources here on Wikipedia. I encourage yo to join that discussion. NewYorkActuary (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Response to question re: Henny Youngman

Hello NewYorkActuary, Thank you for explaining the various heirarchical "Jewish" tagging from the Henny Youngman article - it completely answered my question, and it made a lot of sense as well! Sorry it took so long to reply, I don't edit very often, however you should rest assured that I am grateful for your edit, and you taking the time to educate me as to why. All the best, /s/ Measl. Measl (talk) 04:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

NOTE: This is a response to the discussion at User talk:NewYorkActuary/2017#Henny Youngman NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hark Hark The Dogs Do Bark has been accepted

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78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:11, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hark, Hark! The Dogs Do Bark

Per your comment at AfC, it is time to create the redirects! Fantastic work, I'm really impressed. This should appear on the front page at DYK, what do you think? I'll do the work. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:13, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@78.26: Thank you for the kind words. I'll get to the re-directs later today. As for DYK, I was going to first submit this for GA and then (if it got that status) nominate for DYK as a GA-class article. But I have no objections to your doing an earlier DYK nomination. Thanks again for the kind words. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Nope, let's wait for the GA if you're willing to do the work, it will be in even better condition then. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Noel Ashman

Thanks for the guidance on the page. One of the questions you raised was the notability of the references. Most of the recent articles have been from standard sources - NYTimes, NY POST, etc. How do we account for older press that was available offline in hard copies of People, NY Mag, Vanity Fair etc? I've tried finding online versions, possibly archived, but haven't been able to. I did find offline clippings on the subject's website. Is there a way to factor those stories into the discussion? Those stories are the exact types of references we strive for on Wiki, but unsure how to handle the offline nature of them. Co44ee (talk) 20:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Co44ee: Hello, Co44ee. Thanks for following up on this. Before responding to your question, I'll note that I've moved your posting from the top of this Talk page to the bottom (which is where it should have been posted). This is done automatically when you click the "New section" tab that appears at the top of every person's Talk page.

Sources do not have to be online. In the article itself, they do need to be specified in enough detail to permit another person to locate the source and verify that the information in the article has been faithfully related. But for an AfD discussion, all you really need to do is demonstrate that those sources exist and say what you say they say. A link to that page on Ashman's site is probably going to be sufficient for discussion purposes.

The tougher problem, I think, is going to be showing that all those clippings on the website really do contribute to Ashman's encyclopedic notability. I took a quick look at the page and saw that most of them are New York publications covering New York entertainment topics. And even the ones that aren't from New York didn't seem to be providing the significant coverage that we look for when considering notability. As one extreme example, a picture of an actress blowing out some birthday candles does nothing whatsoever to bolster Ashman's status as an encyclopedically notable person, even if Ashman's name or the name of his club gets mentioned in the caption of the photo.

I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Brave New World lede

I won't re-revert. But I think the opening sentence of the lede should not feature words that have to be linked in order to mean anything. Valetude (talk) 15:31, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Valetude: Hello, Valetude. Thanks for engaging in discussion. Wikipedia is aimed at general readers who have some degree of proficiency in English. I suppose that there can be reasonable debate as to whether "dystopian" is in the vocabulary of most proficient speakers of English, but it can't reasonably be considered a specialist term understood by only a few. However, my primary reason for reverting was simply that the word had been appearing in the lede since 2001, and the precise phrase "dystopian novel" has been there since 2003. To change phrasing that has such long tenure in an article, it'll be better to start a conversation on the article's Talk page.

Thanks again for discussing. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Zambia

I did not mention Afrikaans is an official language of Zambia, but rather a minority language and ethnic group. This is a problem because Zambian government does not recognise the existence of Afrikaner in the country, despite they've controlled vast amount of agricultural land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.207.253 (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP address. Thank you for engaging in discussion. Although it's true that you did not explicitly say that Afrikaans was an official language, you implied it when you restated the name of the republic in the title of the infobox. As for the rest of your edits, the 2010 census doesn't mention anything about Afikaans or Afrikaaners. If you feel that their presence in Zambia is significant enough to warrant a mention, that would probably best be done in the text of the article. And it will certainly need reliable authoritative sourcing. You might want to open up a discussion with article's regular editors on the article's Talk page.

Thanks again for discussing. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:55, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

archiving

Would it have killed you to take 2 seconds to look at the talk page? Or even ask? You undid all that for nothing and I had to move it back to the archive page I created, while I was in the middle of cleaning it up, as I clearly stated on the talk page. Please check before being so quick with the revert button. Thank you. - ^theWOLFchild 04:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for following up on this. And to answer your question -- no, it wouldn't have killed me to wait two seconds. Which is why I waited for more than half an hour before restoring the material. And as the time stamp shows, you didn't create the archive until after I did that restoration. As for the archive link on Talk:Paramilitary, that didn't appear until even later. So, exactly what would I have seen on the Talk page that would have let me know that you were in the process of archiving? I look forward to your response. NewYorkActuary (talk) 05:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

It was right there on the talk page; ("I'm in the middle of a archive page clean up right now"). Since I'd removed all but 2 sections, one that I was actively commenting in, I don't see how you could miss it, (especially since you had an entire half-hour!). Or you could've just posted a comment there and asked me; "Hey Wolf, what'cha doin' with all that content you said you were gonna archive? Is everything ok? You need any help?" Like I said... check. Please consider that for next time. Thank you - ^theWOLFchild 06:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

If I wanted to know what was going on with the deletion of many Talk page postings, I should have read through a lengthy thread titled "Image issue"? That's ... bizarre. But I'm glad it all worked out in the end. Thanks again for discussing. NewYorkActuary (talk) 14:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor). Legobot (talk) 04:31, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Original Research

Dear NewYorkActuary, You have removed a part of my addition to the page Time loop with a remark that it is "original research". Can you please explain why it is original research and a simple plot summary is not? I am not making an analysis, but only reiterate what is evident from watching the film. Anyways, I can make a reference to a book discussing the same topic. Would it help? Regards, --David162se (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@David162se: Hello, David. Thank you for discussing this. When done correctly, a plot summary is composed solely of things that can observed by a person unfamiliar with anything other than what appears in the book or film. Indeed, the Plot sections of many articles on books/films generate debate precisely because some editors seek to incorporate elements that seem obvious to them, but not to others. Had your material appeared in the Plot section of the article on Groundhog Day, I have little doubt that the editors there would have rejected it for exactly that reason.

Without sourcing, your interpretation of the film's events, and your analysis of their effects on the main character, can only be considered original research on your part. But if you can cite all of that to an authoritative source, then you will have proven that it is not "original research" and my immediate objection would cease. But I would still have another -- sourced analysis of the film is better placed in the Analysis section of the article on the film. The objection to placing it in the Time Loop article is that the elements of your discussion ("curse", "blessing", etc.) are not universal to all fictional works involving time loops. The fact that they appear in one fictional work, but not in most others, makes me wonder why it should appear at all in the time loop article. But in the linked section of the article on the film? That's exactly where that material belongs.

I hope this response has been helpful. I'll be happy to engage in further discussion. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I guess you have a point. It wasn't pure reiteration of the plot. There was some interpretation too (even if very obvious). So I definitely should have sourced it.

Regarding the question of whether this discussion (curse or blessing) even belongs in the Time loop article because it is not universal to all fictional works involving time loops... Well, which themes do then? Even a theme like learning from each successive loop and building on that knowledge is far from universal. How many novels/films would it take to make it relevant?

Besides, Groundhog day is not just some random work within this genre. It is arguably the one which is best known to the general public. It has to count for something, don't you think? That's why I thought that the theme of curse or blessing which is quite prominent in this film, deserves attention.

You have certainly noticed that the article is still very much a stub and would benefit from expansion. I thought it would be a good idea to describe additional noteworthy themes within the genre and also to mention a few more significant works (be it films or novels). What do you think?

Regards, --David162se (talk) 21:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@David162se: You raise some good counterarguments. And I very much agree that the article should be expanded to include a discussion of themes that are present in that particular sub-genre of fiction. But a friendly word of caution -- even if you succeed in finding authoritative commentary on the themes in Groundhog Day, your addition of that commentary might still be reverted. I won't be the one to do it, but others might feel that a discussion of that one film, unaccompanied by sourced discussion of any other work of fiction, places undue weight on the film. And so, in answer to your final question -- yes, discussion of additional significant works is not only a good idea, but probably an essential element of expanding the article.

My personal rule of thumb tells me that if a source discusses only a single book or film, then it belongs in the article on that book or film. You'll avoid the problem of "undue weight" if you can find authoritative sources that analyse the entire sub-genre. Perhaps you are already familiar with such sources. If not, you might want to start at the topic's entry in the Science Fiction Encyclopedia. It's largely a chronology of works, with little critical commentary, but at least it might serve as a starting point for further searches. Another possibility is the archive of Depauw University's Science Fiction Studies (though I find it a tad too "academic" for my tastes). And of course, you never know what might pop up at Google Books.

If I can be of any assistance with this, please let me know. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your support and constructive advice.

As you have suggested, I will try to research the issue some more. Hopefully, I can find a more generalized analysis and/or analyses of additional noteworthy single works. Maybe then I can make a useful contribution.

I appreciate your offer of assistance. You probably have a lot on your plate already. But if you happen to come across some useful authoritative sources specifically discussing time loop fiction (and accessible online), please let me know.

Regards, --David162se (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Christopher Nolan filmography

Hello and thank you for reviewing (or holding I should say) the filmography article a bit. I've written most of the biography and brought it to GA a few years ago. I don't see any reasonable arguments for it to not pass, but feel free to disagree.

Best regards,

Sammyjankis88 (talk) 23:09, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sammyjankis88: Hello, Sammy. It looks to me that there has been an issue as to whether Christopher Nolan's filmography really merits a stand-alone article. But that issue has never been the subject of a discussion. Instead, the history of the article shows that you created the filmography article back in 2012 and, since then, have twice seen it converted into a redirect to the director's article. What is needed here is a resolution of that question -- but the Articles for Creation project is not intended to serve as the arbiter of such matters. I see that, six days ago, an IP address raised the question of a stand-alone filmography at the Talk page of the director's article. There have not yet been any responses and, if there continues to be no response after seven days, I suggest you go ahead and restore the Filmography article. You don't need the Articles for Creation process to perform that restoration and, after you've done it, you can augment the filmography in whatever fashion you feel is appropriate. And if your restoration gets reverted yet again, you'll need to start a Request for Comments on the question. I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Sammyjankis88 (talk) 10:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Bless Its Pointed Little Head

@NewYorkActuary (talk) While I'd concede the original title as corrected from Surrealistic Pillow, I can only say my impulse to apply this particular modification just derived directly from "3/5's" actually appearing on this album's back cover that I happened to notice in passing: https://img.discogs.com/emr48hlNIjwxxe-2q1JkaD2z5qQ=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-8677707-1469989247-2995.jpeg.jpg

Though, of course, this album's LP label actually does include the otherwise universal "3/5": https://img.discogs.com/KXUmuTEtALvnqvq5M-E9U8L8xZc=/fit-in/600x610/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1899160-1414992258-4829.jpeg.jpg

RRawpower (talk) 17:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@RRawpower: Thanks for discussing this. I didn't realize that the album cover gave a (slightly) different title than did the label. And so, I won't re-revert if you change it back.

Before posting here, I took a look at BMI's website to see if there was an "official" version of the title and found, to my surprise, that it isn't listed on that site (even though other of the band's songs from the '60s are listed there). And the ASCAP site is down for maintenance. I assume the site will be operational by next week, at which point we can see what they say about the title. In the meantime, why not adopt the approach that works well in other situations where reliable sources offer conflicting information -- put one or the other title in the track listing, but add a footnote telling the reader that there is another version of the title.

I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@NewYorkActuary: I actually did not revert it myself simply because I realized the original title from Surrealistic Pillow remains standard in the first place regardless, but especially once I took the extra (10 seconds ;- ) time to take a look at this album's actual LP label as also noted with a photo URL. And, in fact, only because of that did I decide not to make anything more of the apparent back cover discrepancy by going so far as to even state something like "3/5's" [as listed on cover] to avoid unnecessary confusion for such a detail that ultimately has no significant bearing whatsoever.

RRawpower (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hark, Hark! The Dogs Do Bark

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Hark, Hark! The Dogs Do Bark you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Barkeep49 -- Barkeep49 (talk) 19:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Request to revoke deletion request

Hello NewYorkActuary.

My contributed article on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananth_Narayanan have recently been flagged for deletion by you.

I understand there have been some recent additions which does not follow the guidelines which has been done by a party I know. Can you kindly help us with what has to be done to get it reinstated?

Many thanks for your support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaki1001 (talk • contribs) 10:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pinaki1001: Thanks for following up on this. The article has not yet been deleted. That action is still being discussed and I encourage you to join that discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Ananth Narayanan. The discussion will remain open for at least another four days. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi NewYorkActuary. Thank you for the update. What I am saying is this article should be present in its entirety and not perform any redirection to the brand article "Myntra". If you could help me with the things that needs to rectified/done, I would really appreciate this :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaki1001 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pinaki1001: I don't think the article can be saved, because I don't think the subject has received in-depth coverage from multiple reliable and independent sources. But if you have evidence otherwise, feel free to present that evidence in the deletion discussion. It will remain open for another three days, but I suggest you not put this off until the last minute. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sridevi

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Sridevi. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Why'd you undo my edit to History of Samoa?

There were two citation needed tags, when only one was necessary.67.242.19.37 (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)