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Motto

"God and My Right" is not the motto of England, but of the British sovereign. The cited reference did not say it was.Ttocserp 09:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

A simple web search says it is the motto outside of Scotland. Now I'm Welsh so I am not wild about this, but it was first used by King Richard I in 1198 at the Battle of Gisors which is before the conquest of Wales so I think its pretty safe. ----Snowded TALK 21:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We have to go by sources actually cited in the article. If there is a source that actually says that "God and My Right" is England's motto, it should be referenced in the article. It must be a reliable source, of course.Ttocserp 21:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
You can find three references here if you want to substitute the existing one ----Snowded TALK 21:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now, I am sure you can see the difference between (1) the motto 'of England (if any) and (2) the motto of the British monarch. (Imagine trFying to convince a Scotsman, say, that there's no difference!) If it is tnhe motto of d England, find a reliable source that actually says so, and put it in the article. In the meantime I'm going to tag it as "not in cited source".Ttocserp 22:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
In respect of Scotland there is a different motto and the sources I reference are more than good enough. But lets see what other editors say - Ill leave it a few days and if there is no support remove the tag. There is a duty on editors to try and find sources you know. ----Snowded TALK 22:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can only assume there is a bit of talking at cross purposes here since as far as I can see all the sources indicated do refer to it being the motto of the monarch and not that it is that of the country. Are there in facts ones that say it is the motto of the country or is there just an honest mix-up in what is being discussed? Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've found a few which say it is the motto of the country. But in general, in a monarchy the motto of the country is that of the monarch. The fact there are separate ones from Scotland and Wales supports this. But its not a major issue. ----Snowded TALK 23:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ttocserp has a point. Snowded's reasoning appears flawed. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm write on mottos in a monarchy but if there have been prior discussions and a consensus has been reached fine ----Snowded TALK 06:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Official language again

This previous discussion [1] did not clarify very well. In what way is English not the official language of England? Comment welcome please before I change the infobox. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Only down to the fact due to the way common law works nobody has ever said English is the official language. MilborneOne (talk) 09:47, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The official language refers to the language used by the government of any particular region. As England doesn't have its own goverment it can't have an official language. Eckerslike (talk) 11:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference to confirm that, Eckerslike? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 18:47, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is a two edged argument Roger 8 Roger, do YOU have a reference claiming English is the official language of England. Arnoutf (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do, or more precisely, one showing that to be official a language does not have to be one used by a government. Here it is: [2]. Seeing as English meets all the requirements of being used officially within England, why do we insist on claiming that England has no official language? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alteration now made to the unsupported claim that England does not have an official language. A side issue, but one that is relevant here, is that England most certainly does have a govt, it sits in Westminster. The fact that that government also governs other areas is another matter entirely. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - existing wording of national language is better - and the position has changed. Please get agreement before making changes you know will be controversial Italic text -- Snowded
FWIW, England doesn't have a government of its own. GoodDay (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

G'day GoodDay, that what I said: I'm glad we agree. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:46, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The English language is not the official language of England? Who would've thought. GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GVA? why is GVA given as a measure of economic performance. You haven't used it for other countries and it is, frankly, rather meaningless and misleading. Worse still, you've taken a 2015 figure (in GB pounds) and then converted it to US dollars, clearly not realizing that you can't do that unless you correct for the relevant taxes and subsidies which were operating in the two economies at the time. GVA is not an independent measure of performance; it is a national/regional balancing item which varies according to the fiscal policy of the government of the day. If you don't have a useful and comparable value (e.g. GNP/GDP) you shouldn't give anything at all. For what it's worth, GVA is loved by economists who want to prove that London is superior to the provinces, precisely because it produces ludicrous distortions based upon the (supposed) dependence or otherwise on subsidies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 (talk) 15:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Flag and Genoa

The National Symbols section of the article talks about the flag having its origins in the English king paying the Doge of Genoa for the right to use Genoa's flag in the Mediterranean. The Flag of England article contradicts this, saying that it "cannot be substantiated as historical". For consistency sake, which are we going with? --Inops (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

typo

There appears to be a formatting error causing the following sentence to float in the middle of the page isolated in a yellow outline: "– the Yorkists and Lancastrians – known as the Wars of the Roses.[56] Eventually it led to the Yorkists losing the throne entirely to a Welsh noble family the Tudors, a branch of the Lancastrians headed by Henry Tudor who invaded with Welsh and Breton mercenaries, gaining victory at the Battle of Bosworth Field where the Yorkist king Richard III was killed.[57]" I can't see the text as the article is semi-protected (I assume) so will have to be a logged in person who fixes. Ta. 2A02:C7F:2C57:FD00:9DE0:E7AE:33A0:776F (talk) 08:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Done--Ykraps (talk) 09:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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