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I come to Ron Paul's page only to find it locked down and censored. I wonder if I will ever again experience an irony so simultaneously hilarious and sad.
"The sign says you got to have a membership card to get inside."
Because I don't belong to your little wiki club, what I have to say MUST be thoughtcrime. Got it.
RIP wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.181.200 (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Ron Paul posted racist cartoon
https://twitter.com/MildGiraffe/status/1013804053057417217 AHC300 (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Racist weet and recentism
Does anyone think that this has any encyclopedic value whatsoever? A former politician posts some stupid racist comic or twitter (or his intern does, doesn't matter either way) and a bunch of news cites post articles about it, and the tweet is deleted. Will anyone care about this a month from now? Will anyone even remember it happened a year from now? Does it tell us anything of value about Ron Paul? I'm removing this from the article on the grounds that it is unencyclopedic information that tells readers nothing of value. My suggestion is that you wait a month and see if this story develops at all, or if it simply disappears. I expect it will be the latter. Maybe there's a story to be told if Ron Paul consistently makes racist remarks and so this is part of a pattern. But this article doesn't need a section about a single tweet that was posted yesterday and existed for less than an hour. No article needs crap like that. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 00:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's covered in multiple reliable and notable source, which justifies it's inclusion. A user opinion like "maybe people will stop talking about it a month from now, so let's remove it" isn't how Wikipedia works. Drsmoo (talk) 11:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- No. That is how wikipedia works. This material is unencyclopedic. It's a single insignificant event, covering it in this article lends undue weight to something completely irrelevant. I'm sure I could find multiple sources discussing the name of Ron Paul's dog, and that certainly doesn't belong in the article. Just being covered in sources is not sufficient for inclusion. Also, the way wikipedia works is that if someone adds content, and someone else reverts it, it stays out of the article until there is consensus. There is no consensus to include right now. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 21:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Incorrect. See: "Content coverage within a given article or list (i.e. whether something is noteworthy enough to be mentioned within the article or list) is governed by the principle of due weight and other content policies." and "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." "The relative prominence of each viewpoint among Wikipedia editors or the general public is not relevant and should not be considered." Your opinion that this information is "insignificant" is your personal opinion and has no baring on Wikipedia. Notability on Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, and this has been widely covered by by reliable sources, meriting its inclusion. Drsmoo (talk) 01:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- No. That is how wikipedia works. This material is unencyclopedic. It's a single insignificant event, covering it in this article lends undue weight to something completely irrelevant. I'm sure I could find multiple sources discussing the name of Ron Paul's dog, and that certainly doesn't belong in the article. Just being covered in sources is not sufficient for inclusion. Also, the way wikipedia works is that if someone adds content, and someone else reverts it, it stays out of the article until there is consensus. There is no consensus to include right now. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 21:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Belongs in the article. Received extensive RS coverage. (Came here via the NPOV noticeboard[1]). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Doesn't belong in article. Pretty sure no-one believes Ron Paul is a racist. Anyone could have sent that from his account, he could have rted without looking closely. Wikipedia is bad enough as it is, without people thinking they can clutter up pages with references to single unrepresentative tweets. Bougatsa42 (talk) 04:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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