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Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2018

He has been sacked by the catholic church a treasurer (last entry on his page) 115.70.233.6 (talk) 04:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 07:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Claim of "Catholic orthodoxy" and its contradiction with climate denial

Is the sentence in the lede correct "Since becoming Archbishop of Melbourne in 1996, he has maintained a high public profile on a wide range of issues, while retaining a strict adherence to Catholic orthodoxy." considering he is an outspoken and proud climate change denier. He has opposed the Encyclical Laudato Si from Pope Francis, hardly adherence to Catholic orthodoxy.

It is hardly surprising that the serious and somewhat blunt message of Laudato si’ has been met with resistance by many conservative Catholics, including those who advocate climate denial, such as Australian Cardinal George Pell.4 Pell’s idea that Pope Francis has no business meddling in either scientific or political matters crept into the conservative press. Such criticisms are false in light of the historical contribution of the Catholic Church to both scientific research and politics more broadly. In contrast with climate change deniers, Pope Francis...[1]

References

  1. ^ Deane-Drummond, Celia. "Pope Francis: Priest and Prophet in the Anthropocene". Environmental Humanities. doi:https://doi.org/10.1215/22011919-3664369. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)

Also https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/catholicism-environment

Skinnytony1 (talk) 04:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree that this is the case. There's no ambiguity in the Vatican's views on climate change. That said, Pell preached orthodox sexual views, if not environmental care views. I can edit to reflect that. Vision Insider (talk) 22:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please state what the specific charges are that Pell was found guilty of?

Could someone please state what the specific charges are that Pell was found guilty of? 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:30B0:F075:BE56:77F4 (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He was convicted of molesting two choir boys at the cathedral where Pell was bishop in the first trial (the so-called "Cathedral Trial"). A second trial is scheduled, known as the "Swimmers Trial", involves an accusation he molested two boys who were at a pool in Ballarat Victoria, where he was a local priest at the time. ("Vatican No. 3 Cardinal George Pell Convicted on Charges He Sexually Abused Choir Boys". The Daily Beast. 11 December 2018. Retrieved 16 December 2018.)
How, exactly, did he molest his victims? The article is still too vague. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do you really need to know which part of his body he used? Why the salacious interest? WWGB (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@WWGB: Wikipedia is not censored. Any information covered by reliable sources may be included. Details of the crime are directly relevant to why the subject of this article is notable. To accuse another editor of mere "salacious interest" by pointing out that critical information is missing is poor faith. –Zfish118⋉talk 18:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It always amuses me when an uninvolved third editor feels the urge to interject in a discussion between two other editors, particularly to parrot bleeding obvious Wikipedia protocols. I wonder whether they never achieved their childhood dream to become a policeman. Some editors who boldly proclaim they are "retired" from Wikipedia seem incapable of adhering to their own decision. WWGB (talk) 00:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Cool story, bro. –Zfish118⋉talk 19:47, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentence

The original first sentence makes no grammatical sense:

George Pell AC (born 8 June 1941) is an Australian prelate of the Catholic Church and most senior convicted sex offender of the Catholic Church.[1][2][3][4][5]

It appears to be written to suggest that one can be a "senior" sex offender in the Catholic Church, which fails WP:Neutrality, among other policies. –Zfish118⋉talk 18:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sullivan, Margaret (12 December 2018). "A top cardinal's sex-abuse conviction is huge news in Australia. But the media can't report it there". The Washington Post. Retrieved 12 December 2018.
  2. ^ O'Connell, Gerard (12 December 2018). "Cardinal Pell, top advisor to Pope Francis, found guilty of 'historical sexual offenses'". America magazine. Retrieved 13 December 2018.
  3. ^ Cartwright, Lachlan (12 December 2018). "Vatican No. 3 Cardinal George Pell Convicted on Charges He Sexually Abused Choir Boys". The Daily Beast. New York. Retrieved 13 December 2018.
  4. ^ Harlan, Chico. "Australian court convicts once-powerful Vatican official on sex-abuse-related charges". Washinton Post.
  5. ^ Horowitz, Jason; Povoledo, Elisabetta (12 December 2018). "Vatican Expels 2 Cardinals Implicated in Sexual Abuse From Pope's Council". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2018-12-14.

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2019

Update infobox to include his conviction for child molestation. 129.127.145.232 (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. There are no fields in Template:Infobox Christian leader for criminal convictions. WWGB (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2019

His conviction has now been confirmed and I want this to be included.

In June 2017, Pell was charged in Victoria, Australia with multiple historical sexual assault offences; he denied all charges.[1][2][3] The most serious charges were thrown out for "fundamental defects in evidence" and credibility issues over witnesses, but Pell was committed to stand trial on the lesser charges, pleading not guilty.[4] As Vatican Prefect for the Secretariat of the Economy, Pell is reported to be the most senior Catholic cleric in the world to face such charges.[2][1][5][6] On 16 August 2018, Spanish media reported that Pell had been removed from the Council of Cardinal Advisers due to the charges raised against him. [7] On 11 December 2018, Pell was found guilty on five charges related to sexual misconduct involving two boys in the 1990s. He is listed to be sentenced in February 2019 and is expected to appeal the conviction.[8][9][10] Pell's conviction was subject to a gag order issued by Judge Peter Kidd, which suppressed coverage of the conviction by Australian media companies.[11][12][13][14] On 12 December 2018, the day after Pell's conviction, the Holy See Press Office announced that Pope Francis had written to Pell at the end of October 2018 to thank him for his work on the Council of Cardinal Advisers since 2013; and terminated his appointment to the council.[15][16] His conviction was later confirmed by local sources on February 26, 2019.[17]"Cardinal George Pell convicted of child sex offences". 9news. February 26, 2019[18]

References

  1. ^ a b "George Pell, Catholic cardinal, charged with historical sexual assault offences". ABC News. 29 June 2017. Retrieved 29 June 2017.
  2. ^ a b "George Pell: How Italian media reacted to the historical sexual offence charges". ABC News. 30 June 2017. Retrieved 30 June 2017.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference ABC29-2 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Younger, Emma (1 May 2018). "Cardinal George Pell pleads not guilty to historical sexual offence charges after being committed to stand trial". ABC News.
  5. ^ Nino Bucci; Tom Cowie; Nick Miller (30 June 2017). "Cardinal George Pell charged with historical sex offences". The Sydney Morning. Retrieved 27 July 2017.
  6. ^ Melissa Davey; Stephanie Kirchgaessner (29 June 2017). "Cardinal George Pell: Vatican official charged with multiple sexual offences". The Guardian. Retrieved 27 July 2017.
  7. ^ Eldiarios.es 16 August 2018 https://m.eldiario.es/sociedad/Papa-expulsara-implicados-pederastia-EEUU_0_804219699.html
  8. ^ "Australia's Cardinal Pell found guilty of sex abuse, expected to appeal". catholicregister.org. Retrieved 21 February 2019.
  9. ^ "Cardinal Pell, top advisor to Pope Francis, found guilty of 'historical sexual offenses'". America Magazine. 12 December 2018. Retrieved 13 December 2018.
  10. ^ Condon, Ed. "Reports of Pell guilty verdict emerge, despite gag order". Catholic News Agency. Retrieved 13 December 2018.
  11. ^ "A top cardinal's sex-abuse conviction is huge news in Australia. But the media can't report it there". Washington Post. 12 December 2018. Retrieved 16 December 2018.
  12. ^ "Cardinal George Pell Reportedly Convicted of Sex Abuse Amid Gag Order in Australia". NPR. 13 December 2018. Retrieved 16 December 2018.
  13. ^ "Vatican No. 3 Cardinal George Pell Convicted on Charges He Sexually Abused Choir Boys". The Daily Beast. 11 December 2018. Retrieved 16 December 2018.
  14. ^ "Report: Third-Highest Ranking Vatican Official Convicted on Sex Abuse Charges in Australia". Slate. 12 December 2018. Retrieved 16 December 2018.
  15. ^ Burke, Greg (12 December 2019). "Briefing by the Director of the Holy See Press Office, Greg Burke, on the 27th Meeting of the Council of Cardinals with the Holy Father Francis, 12.12.2018" (Press release). Holy See Press Office. Retrieved 14 December 2019.
  16. ^ Cite error: The named reference news remove 2018-12-13 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  17. ^ Craig Butt (February 26, 2019). "George Pell found guilty of child sex abuse: 'You're a monster'". news.com.au. Retrieved February 26, 2019.
  18. ^ "George Pell: Cardinal found guilty of sexual offences in Australia". BBC News. February 26, 2019. Retrieved February 26, 2019.

. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); line feed character in |date= at position 49 (help) 2601:447:4101:5780:414C:1408:94AD:FC44 (talk) 02:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Pell's conviction is covered adequately at George Pell#Criminal charges and conviction. WWGB (talk) 02:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gag order penalties

Please add to the section on the gag order that in early February, Victoria's DPP, Kerri Judd QC, wrote to around 50 Australian news publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors, accusing them of breaking the gag order. Peter Kidd, the judge who laid the gag order, told a closed court that some of the breaches were serious and editors faced jail.[1]

Thank you. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Meade, Amanda (26 February 2019). "Dozens of journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order face possible jail terms". The Guardian. Retrieved 26 February 2019.

Beating around the bush: Criminal charges and conviction

The latest Reuters news Vatican treasurer convicted of sexually abusing 13-year-old boys is straightforward:

MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Vatican treasurer Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty on five charges of child sexual abuse committed more than two decades ago against 13-year-old boys in Australia - the most senior Catholic cleric to be convicted of child sex offences.

then

He was convicted of five sexual offences committed against the 13-year-old choir boys 22 years earlier in the priests’ sacristy of St Patrick’s Cathedral in Melbourne, where Pell was archbishop. One of the two victims died in 2014.

Why his crime description under this section suffers from a large number of words signifying nothing.--93.86.142.92 (talk) 07:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

aregious tactics

it is known that false charges and false convictions are epidemic . but not well reported.


here we have a case of the court denying the right to chalange jurrors AND literally shutting down the legal defence fund.

but look at the statistics on false charges. http:// the u b i e . com / aliem-abduction.htm

this report which was altered shows that false charges are epidemic. half of death row in face were shown by dna tests to be innocent (hlalf of all who were tested). the report compares allegations against "space aliens" abd shows a metric which correctly predicts false charges.

simply put. stories are not enough for a conviction. and thats all it is. stories.

what would you do? say your innocent ? courts are simply faulty with 50% false convictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.232.250 (talk) 00:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Common knowledge expressed through public anger of victims and ordinary people says that rapes of innocent children by RCC are epidemic, the priests-criminals shielded by the RCC, no effective care about the victims coming from Vatican and RCC are epidemic.--93.86.142.92 (talk) 02:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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