Talk:False or misleading statements by Donald Trump
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the False or misleading statements by Donald Trump article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7Auto-archiving period: 30 days ![]() |
![]() | The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which has been designated as a contentious topic. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
![]() | Text and/or other creative content from Donald Trump was copied or moved into Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
![]() | This article is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Template:WikiProject Donald Trump Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
|
![]() | Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org |
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 12 March 2019. The result of the discussion was keep. |
What are we doing?
Is this really what we want from wikipedia? Another partisan tool? I feel like we had the chance to do something good here and it's being used for character assassinations. Is it possible to hold negative opinions about a political figure without regurgitating them all over the symbol of a free and prosperous internet? 2600:6C42:7400:248:F1BD:5F8E:FF9F:DF40 (talk) 23:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
This argument has been brought up before. Please view the result of the argument discussing the article's deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump In short, it's a noteworthy subject that has been covered extensively by numerous verifiable sources in media, business and academia. Savager (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Trump as source of real fake news
Several sources have accused Trump of pushing his own real fake news for years,[1][2] including the use of fake names which he used as pseudonymous sources to "spread favorable stories about himself or his projects" and "spread baseless gossip about his romantic and sexual exploits."[3] Ruth Marcus, in a Washington Post article entitled "Donald Trump: Stonewaller, shape-shifter, liar," described how Trump was caught masquerading as his own spokesmen, "John Miller" and "John Barron", and then lied about it. She described how "a candidate willing to lie about something so small will be a president willing to lie about something big.... [A]ll politicians lie, but there is a difference between the ordinarily distasteful political diet of spin, fudge, evasion and hyperbole and the Trumpian habit of unvarnished, unembarrassed falsehood."[4]
Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune mentioned Trump's "obsession with (his own) 'fake news'" and Trump's February 6 tweet that 'Any negative polls are fake news...' Page ridiculed the tweet: "'Fake news'? Look who's talking."[1] Brian Stelter responded to Trump's tweet: "No, President Trump, negative polls are not 'fake news'." Stelter noted that DeRay Mckesson's response was: "'Negative news = fake news' is the beginning of tyranny."[5]
Referring to the birther movement, Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary under former President Obama, told Stephen Colbert that Trump has been pushing fake news for years.[2]
Maureen Dowd, Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for The New York Times, described Trump as a source of fake news: "Consumed by his paranoia about the deep state, Donald Trump has disappeared into the fog of his own conspiracy theories. As he rages in the storm, Lear-like, howling about poisonous fake news, he is spewing poisonous fake news.... He trusts his beliefs more than facts. So many secrets, so many plots, so many shards of gossip swirl in his head, there seems to be no room for reality...." He prefers "living in his own warped world."[6]
Sources
|
---|
|
BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 04:32, October 26, 2018 (UTC)
Discussion about fake news
Syria (& Turkey) ... new section?
Starter for a new section?: Trump’s False Tweets on Syria by Lori Robertson and D'Angelo Gore, FactCheck.org posted on October 10, 2019 X1\ (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days.
Update? Per [1]. X1\ (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Well BR did this and I tweaked it. Is there a "latest tally" elsewhere in this article that needs update? ―Mandruss ☎ 23:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Mandruss: my apologies. Thank you both. X1\ (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Blue lie
I wonder whether the expresson "blue lie" is approriate here. It is new to me, so I searched the web. It seems to have started as the lie that police tell a suspect, something like, "Your friend has confessed in order to get a reduced sentence. You might as well confess, too." And then includes a false story about a crime told to the public, in order to trap the guilty. I'm not sure that the there is enough backing for using the expression as descriptive of false statements of Trump. TomS TDotO (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps the recent statement about withdrawing troops from Syria, followed up by military action could be excused as a "blue lie", but I am not aware of any such claim. TomS TDotO (talk) 13:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
useful? Factba.se
via Why President Donald Trump's Twitter typos matter on YouTube CNN Nov 3, 2019
X1\ (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Deletion
Why was my statement;'Mirabile dictu, now we have the likes of sports-betting sites being prepared to take bets on Trump's "inaccuracies", based on numbers from the Washington Post's Fact Checker!." removed?Ériugena (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Biography articles of living people
- C-Class biography articles
- C-Class biography (politics and government) articles
- Low-importance biography (politics and government) articles
- Politics and government work group articles
- Wikipedia requested photographs of politicians and government-people
- Wikipedia requested photographs of people
- WikiProject Biography articles
- C-Class WikiProject Business articles
- Low-importance WikiProject Business articles
- WikiProject Business articles
- C-Class Conservatism articles
- Low-importance Conservatism articles
- WikiProject Conservatism articles
- C-Class law articles
- Low-importance law articles
- WikiProject Law articles
- C-Class New York (state) articles
- Low-importance New York (state) articles
- C-Class New York City articles
- Low-importance New York City articles
- WikiProject New York City articles
- C-Class Philosophy articles
- Low-importance Philosophy articles
- C-Class ethics articles
- Low-importance ethics articles
- Ethics task force articles
- C-Class politics articles
- Low-importance politics articles
- C-Class American politics articles
- Mid-importance American politics articles
- American politics task force articles
- WikiProject Politics articles
- C-Class Skepticism articles
- Low-importance Skepticism articles
- WikiProject Skepticism articles
- C-Class Spirituality articles
- Low-importance Spirituality articles
- C-Class United States articles
- Low-importance United States articles
- C-Class United States articles of Low-importance
- C-Class U.S. Presidents articles
- Low-importance U.S. Presidents articles
- WikiProject U.S. Presidents articles
- WikiProject United States articles