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Length of restraint incorrect

According to sources the time in restraint was 7:46 not 8:46. This should be corrected as soon as possible as the current article is no longer accurate.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/17/derek-chauvin-knelt-on-george-floyds-neck-for-746-prosecutors/ https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/17/prosecutors-derek-chauvin-had-knee-on-george-floyd-for-746-not-846/

Stayfree76 (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for the information and for providing a link (we don't use the New York Post as a source, but the AP/CBS reference is fine). -- MelanieN (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm. I don't think this is a routine correction. The press were reporting the duration as 8:46, without challenge for weeks. Last time I looked, most press reporting were still reporting the duration at 8:46.
  • Over on Talk:Jack Letts you will see a very long discussion I had with an inexperienced contributor, who seems to have left the project. He was determined that the article should say Letts had been "charged", based on a single BBC article. We should cover what RS say, even if it doesn't seem credible to us, as per VERIFY.
  • But when RS don't agree, I think that is what our coverage should say. Geo Swan (talk) 17:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

details around 911 call

based on the transcripts of the 911 call it the following quote from article seems to be inaccurate or at the very least misleading: "On May 25, 2020, Chauvin was one of four officers involved in arresting George Floyd on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a market"

according to the transcripts provided by the City of Minneapolis, the callers complaint said the following (shortened for simplicity):

Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store...and he’s sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he’s not in control of himself. Operator: On 38th ST. So, this guy gave a counterfeit bill, has your cigarettes, and he’s under the influence of something? Caller: Something like that, yes. He is not acting right.

that being said i believe the article should be changed to something along the lines of: "On May 25, 2020, Chauvin was one of four officers involved in arresting George Floyd on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a market [as well as being "under the influence of something and not acting right" before getting in, and operating, a motor vehicle].

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/28/city-of-minneapolis-releases-transcript-of-911-call-on-george-floyd-released/

Stayfree76 (talk) 00:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are confusing an opinion with a cause of arrest. “Not acting right” is not a criminal offence. Nor did Floyd drive a vehicle after the cigarette sale. WWGB (talk) 00:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
i am not confusing anything. the sentence i quoted says "SUSPICION"... that suspicion was created by the 911 call... it is one the reason the cops showed up to begin with. there is no imposed guilt on the statement, it is historically accurate. that is all. Stayfree76 (talk) 16:35, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, fine. SUSPICION of being under the influence of "something" and not acting "right" is not something you can arrest someone for. I'm under the influence of "something" right now, and my mother used to say I wasn't acting "right" quite a lot. EEng 03:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am as well and I`m breaking the law..shoot me..a non violent crime does not justify what happened 2600:1702:2340:9470:98B2:7C4:6918:104B (talk) 01:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
i dont think i should have to say this, but your statements are not adding anything to the conversation and are borderline mocking and i definitely don't appreciate it. have any of you read the transcripts from the audio from the body camera of the officers that was recently released? that being said, see blow for link to a wikipedia article regarding the EXACT concept used to make at least detain, if not arrest. i points i am making are done expressly to ensure the accurate documentation of the event AND if we ever want wikipedia to be considered a realiable source then everyone else should do the same. Going further, during the 911 call, the person mentioned mr floyd was not acting right etc. here is an extended quote (link also below): "Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself."
mr floyd was in the DRIVER seat of the vehicle. not considering him not wanted to get out of the vehicle, the officer approached the vehicle with extreme caution (weapon drawn and pointed). i could keep going, but i think i have said enough for now. i would urge you all to stop being emotional, look at the facts presented, and if you have something to say maybe make it constructive.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-911-transcript-minneapolis-police/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion
Stayfree76 (talk) 01:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2020

I would like to have the IPA pronounciation of Chauvin's surname - /ˈtʃoʊvɪn/ - added to this page. I believe that the pronounciation of his surname is somewhat ambiguous, and after watching many news reports where the hosts say his name, I have determined that /ˈtʃoʊvɪn/ is the correct pronounciation. Here is the transcription, formatted according to Wikipedia's guide: /ˈtʃoʊvɪn/

Thank you. 73.238.40.183 (talk) 18:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, but we would need to have a source actually explaining how to say his name - not just our interpretation of how news anchors are saying it. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading/False Information

Referring to the 2nd sentence in the article, which says

During an arrest made by Chauvin and three other officers, he knelt on George Floyd's neck for almost eight minutes while Floyd was handcuffed and lying face down on a street.

(I might be mistaken here but) I recall that George was lying face-up looking at the sky when Derek's knee was on his neck. Can someone please fix it and respond to me. Thank you, BGzest (talk) 13:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BGzest, the sources say Floyd was lying face down (and the photos support that, as well) —valereee (talk) 13:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. Have a look at the infobox. WWGB (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at the photos and I think I'm wrong, he looks more facing down then facing up. Just nullify my request. Sorry guys. BGzest (talk) 13:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I wrote above, for three weeks all sources, including the Prosecutors, said almost nine minutes, or 8:46. The last time i looked 8:46 got over three times as many google hits as 7:46. Yes, the prosecutors later asserted it was only 7:46. But the video is public, and they were not the only people to review it, frame by frame, in detail. The NYTimes has a video about the video, which shows they reviewed it frame by frame, and it says they independently determined the duration to be 8:46. So I think Stayfree76 was mistaken to call for the article to be corrected, and I think it is a mistake for the article to state, as an undisputed fact, that the duration was less than 8 minutes. Geo Swan (talk) 18:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • this brings an interesting point to the matter, in my opinion. i guess what you are saying is, what source takes priority in the case where there is conflicting info. personally, i believe that any numbers or information sourced from the prosecution or any legal authority involved, for that matter, should override any statements/reports from media. that being said, im sure there is room to elaborate within the article regarding specifics of the case being updated over time. from what i can tell, many people write information or state things as fact before all the evidence is gathered, or from looking at the scenario from a limited view so striking it out completely seems more fitting in those circumstances. (for example: once you read the transcripts released of the body came audio it is pretty clear that the officers were struggling to deal with him throughout the entire incident. they had mentioned excited delirium at least once and if you look at the white paper about that topic you will see that [former] officer Chauvin followed the PD policy to the T yet he was being called a murderer before the case was even started. you cannot be a murderer before you are convicted of murder.) Stayfree76 (talk) 22:14, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Murderers get found not guilty all the time..that does not mean they did not commit a murder 2600:1702:2340:9470:E824:60F6:5A7C:F5ED (talk) 03:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
no, that is exactly what it means. if someone is found "not guilty" then they did not do whatever it was they were being tried for. i am somewhat unsure why you would challenge that, but that is how the law works in the US. "innocent until proven guilty". not guilty by default infers innocence. Stayfree76 (talk) 21:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That`s insane...if someone were to kill someone you care about right in front of you and got off on a technicality would you still say it wasn`t a murder ? look it up in a dictionary [ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder ] yes there is a legal definition however it also says " to slaughter wantonly " or to "slay" I don`t necessary take 100% stock in online dictionaries after all they have a tendency to misspell the word LEAD I hate that but I`m pretty sure if you looked it up in an actual dictionary it would say the same..this..look up the word slay 2600:1702:2340:9470:C1B8:7247:E9DD:B50C (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
there is a big difference between being found "not guilty" by a judge or a jury of your peers and the case being dropped due to a "technicality". in alot of circumstances the case could/would be retried in CIVIL court (see OJ Simpson). that being said, bringing up what ifs is completely ridiculous, but unfortunately i have the experience in which you mention. 2 weeks ago my aunt and uncle were shot to death. the suspect died a few days later. considering the main suspect is now dead, it is unlikely the case will be a murder and will stay classified as a general homicide. you should really be more careful saying things like that. i have been active in trying to help accurately edit this wiki while coping/mourning and taking time off of work and having to read your statement was unpleasant to say the least. Stayfree76 (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please 2600:1702:2340:9470:1C1:95B0:EFAD:252 (talk) 22:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2020

Birthdate

Someone please add that he was born in 19 March 1976 according to this https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/OffenderDetails/Contract/261557.--2601:206:380:4F40:B51A:49B:D108:8348 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC) 2601:206:380:4F40:B51A:49B:D108:8348 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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