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PrimeBOT run request

Just a placeholder since every request now has it's own subsection. It also provides a spot for general discussion of all these requests and bumps the thread since there is a potential for another request depending on the outcome of a current discussion.

𝒬𝔔 21:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NYCPT PrimeBOT request

 Task complete.

I just noticed that Template:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation was folded under Template:WikiProject New York City back in MAR 14 (see Template talk:WikiProject New York City#Protected edit request on 28 February 2014). However it appears that Template:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation still has ≈150 transclusions. I suspect this is because conversion has been executed manually on an ad hoc basis over the years. As with the last bot run I requested it is not possible to convert the template to a wrapper and have AnomieBOT take care of things without creating duplicates (e.g. Talk:Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police Department).

Quick sketch of what is needed

Case 

{{WikiProject New York City|class=p|importance=q}}
{{WikiProject New York City Public Transportation|class=p|importance=r}}

Output 

{{WikiProject New York City|class=p|importance=q|transportation=yes|transportation-importance=r}}

Case 

{{WikiProject New York City Public Transportation|class=s|importance=t}}

Output 

{{WikiProject New York City|class=s|importance=|transportation=yes|transportation-importance=t}}

Relatedly I noticed a bug in last run (see Special:Diff/943458578) in case it hasn't already been brought to your attention.

I should be around again some time before the 3rd, so if you don't catch me today I'll try to respond to any questions by then; thanks for your help. (please ping on reply)

𝒬𝔔 23:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll take a look. Primefac (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. I've removed all both-template uses and converted it to a wrapper for now, but let me know if you want it substed out of existence. Primefac (talk) 21:43, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, yes I was planning to subst them all; I just updated the documentation to place it in the appropriate category. AFAIK the only remaining step is to add it to User:AnomieBOT/TemplateSubster force to get AnomieBOT on the job, so if you could get that done I'd appreciate it, but if there's some procedural reason I need to be the one to write up the edit request, it's neither urgent nor important so I can get to it later.
𝒬𝔔 00:28, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Primefac (talk) 00:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anticipated PrimeBOT task 30 request

 Task complete.

Thought I'd drop a friendly note that per discussion on WikiProject Former countries a bot run will likely be needed to complete the merge of Template:WikiProject Former countries and Template:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. I anticipate making the formal request once the template work is complete some time between the 18th and 31st. I figured more advanced notice is better so you can more easily work this into your schedule. If you have any questions feel free to ask, and if you have a preferred window of time please let me know, thanks. (please ping on reply)

𝒬𝔔 23:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can look into that. I apologize, I have forgotten to look into the previous request, but I'll add that to my to-do list. Primefac (talk) 00:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I'm a big fan of There is no deadline and NOTMANDATORY. I understand you'll get to it when you get to it. In any event I just filed the edit request at WikiProject Former countries to convert WikiProject Ottoman Empire to a taskforce, so feel free to go ahead with the bot run any time after that is implemented. I think we've done this enough to where I don't need to detail the particulars; the parameters are |Ottoman=yes and |Ottoman-importance=foo. Other than that, if you have any questions I was planning on checking back in on things tomorrow and the day after, even if only briefly, so feel free to ask away. (please ping on reply)
𝒬𝔔 01:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quick update, Template:WikiProject Former countries has been updated so you may commence this bot run at your convenience.
𝒬𝔔 22:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. Primefac (talk) 01:59, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bot's running, once the dups are taken care of I'll convert to a wrapper and subst it away. Primefac (talk) 21:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good so far, thanks
𝒬𝔔 00:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another PrimeBOT run request

 Task complete.

I noticed another WPNYC taskforce, namely WikiProject New York City/Theatre where the template merge was not fully implemented. So PrimeBOT is needed for the merge, at least for the duplicates. Template:WikiProject New York City has already been updated so you can start the run at your convenience; Parameters are |theatre=yes and |theatre-importance=foo, if you have a little extra time I'd also appreciate it if you would wrapperize Template:WikiProject New York Theatre at the conclusion of the run, but if not I can get around to it. Feel free to ping if you have any questions and thanks for your ongoing help.

𝒬𝔔 00:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. Primefac (talk) 15:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dups merged, wrapper created. Primefac (talk) 01:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise looking good, I'll try to check back in on everything sometime between Friday and Sunday.
𝒬𝔔 00:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So I was about to write up an RFP request to remove protection from Template:WikiProject Ottoman Empire when I went back to check the page history and noticed that you were the sysop that protected it; since you are currently active I believe courtesy dictates I discuss this with you personally.

The previous justification for TPROT doesn't seem to apply any longer since it is no longer HIGHRISK; having read the ECPGUIDE and SEMIGUIDE I don't think lower levels of protection can be justified under policy either. While it's unlikely to need much future editing, it's equally, if not even more unlikely that an obscure wrapper will be chosen as a target for spam, vandalism, or other such nonsense. I'll defer to your judgement, however it is my recommendation that the template be unprotected at this time.

𝒬𝔔 03:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. Done. Primefac (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another PrimeBOT run request

 Task complete.

I know I've been asking alot of you recently, but another bot run will likely be needed once the edit request to merge Template:WikiProject Chinese in New York City into Template:WikiProject New York City goes through (see here). Parameters are |chinese=yes and |chinese-importance=foo; once the dups are taken care of feel free to wrapperize and subst away, thanks.

𝒬𝔔 16:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Primefac (talk) 02:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

A beer on me!
Thanks for all the time and effort you've put into this over the past few weeks.

So I have a feeling I'll be around again eventually to ask for more PrimeBOT help, but there should at least be enough time before the next request for this thread to archive. I doubt I can fully return the favor any time soon, but if you do have some time-insensitive stuff you need help with, by which I mean you don't mind which month it is finished in, then feel free to hit me with a ping, and I'll see what I can do, and again thanks. (please ping on reply)

𝒬𝔔 21:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Primefac (talk) 21:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Template talk:Marriage § New problem

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Marriage § New problem. Hi Primefac, would you be so kind as to offer a third opinion on the proposed implementation of this code on Template:Marriage? Thanks ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

I can put it on my list. Primefac (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC) Replied. Primefac (talk) 17:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know, I've been about halfway to yanking the permission for a week or two now. The only thing that's stayed my hand is that this template is the only issue I've observed (it may be the only template the editor is editing...). The other remedy I've been entertaining is a page block. --Izno (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough; thanks for letting me know. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I know all too well how easy it is to get change-blind to issues on a template you're passionate about. Primefac (talk) 19:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After AGF'ing for far too long, I've given up trying to work in good faith with this editor and unwatched that Template/Template talk page, but I will support any action either of you chooses to take. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. If I feel like your opinion will be valued, I'll ping. Primefac (talk) 21:14, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac: I appreciate the feedback above, and I'm sorry if my prior edits, albeit made in good faith, had been disruptive. I'm aware that I've been too WP:BOLD in my approach, and so I haven't edited the template since 23 August and will not make another edit to the template without the approval of another TE. I'd much appreciate if anyone here could review my proposed changes to the template for their suitability. Thanks all, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 13:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did see your ping, just haven't had a chance to reply yet. Primefac (talk) 13:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Neveselbert, if the changes have been tested, discussed, and the general consensus is that it works as intended with no major issues, then yes, go for it. Primefac (talk) 15:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, would it be OK if I pinged the editors above to discuss the changes? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 15:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Might be a good idea, given that I just re-read the thread where I was initially pinged and see that Jonesey had some concerns. Primefac (talk) 15:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, just wanted to be sure so I wouldn't overstep WP:CANVASS. Would it be alright if I pinged them here? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 15:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ping there is probably better, since it's actually where the discussion takes place. Primefac (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding TfD Holding cell

Hi, I was lurking in WP:TFD, I thought maybe I can do some work on templates listed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell#Navigation templates. Are those only to be done the discussion participants? If not, are there any set of instructions to be followed to merge those? Can you point me to a direction? - Timbaaa -> ping me 02:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can enact the results of a TFD. Most of the pages listed are merges, but you should read through the discussion (in particular the closing statement) to determine the desired outcome. Let me know if you have any further questions. Primefac (talk) 12:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merged items at sandbox for this discussion. Is it a proper merging? If no, what should be done to improve? If yes, what is the next step? - Timbaaa -> ping me 14:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Timbaaa, looks good. Now you just need to copy the sandbox content into the main template and redirect {{Animal testing end}} (with an {{r from merge}} template as well). Primefac (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, Completed. Will it take some time for redirect properly by the server? The back links doesn't seem to render the redirected template; or I made a mistake? - Timbaaa -> ping me 01:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looked at a couple of pages it's transcluded on and I see the new/target template, so likely anything you're seeing is cached from the old versions of the page. Should repopulate fairly quickly. Primefac (talk) 01:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks for the help. - Timbaaa -> ping me 02:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Advice

Hello Primefac, I wanted to seek your input an AFC issue . I wanted to make a request t be a Draft reviewer there, I am currently an active NPP patroller and I would love to help over at AFC to reduce the backlog as I have been doing at NPP . I have an extensive knowledge on notability especially politics and cooperation/company notability having completed NPP school. I am also a trial CVUA trainer. Over the past few months of ever knowing Wikipedia, I have grown to make it a virtual home of mine. Sadly I am short of the 90 day criteria by a day and would love to help over there, will my request be considered over at AFC? Best regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 14:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would wait, but glad to hear you're interested. Primefac (talk) 14:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, Thanks for the advice, I guess one day is not much of a wait. Best regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 16:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have made a request at AFC after reaching the minimum of three months . If you have time you may review my request. Best regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 16:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template: Philadelphia Schools

This template is missing the James G. Blaine School (K-8): https://blaine.philasd.org/ Rjstern (talk) 15:39, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The template isn't protected, so if we've got an article on the school feel free to add it. Primefac (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AFC assistance

Hi@Primefac: Greetings.... Can you review this article..? I am Probationary AFC member I have edited this entire article (not mine), It is not advisable to review the article myself and I Believe now the article meets all the notable criteria.You can verify his notability by Internet search and There you will find 100+ independent reliable sources about his name. On the basis of WP:BASIC,WP:NPOLWP:POLOUTCOMES WP:GNG and independent reliable sources This article is acceptable, I think the article protected by Move...can u resolve this issue -Thanks-- Padavalam Kuttan Pilla  Talk  12:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher)Padavalamkuttanpilla, Please also note that this article has been taken to AfD twice
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. Surendran (politician) (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. Surendran (politician), Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 16:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Synoman Barris: Yes, that's right but The large-scale Media coverage He has been receiving After the AFD, sheds light on a Re-review.you can check -- Padavalam Kuttan Pilla  Talk  18:35, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Padavalamkuttanpilla, I don’t think it’s ready for main space just yet, the only reason the guy is mentioned is because he was appointed the party leader of the state political party (note: he has never held any political office I.e MP and other staff) this is a form of WP:BLP1E. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 18:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of pipeline accidents in the United States in 1978

What do you mean when you say that List of pipeline accidents in the United States in 1978 is reverse copyvio? Please {{ping}} me when you reply. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:43, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jax 0677, as I said on the talk page, you created the article by splitting List of pipeline accidents in the United States (1975–1995). That article was copied to another source, which then looks like "you copied it" when you created the page yesterday. So they copied us, making it "reverse copyvio". Primefac (talk) 14:46, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting creation of a redirect

Hi! Do you mind creating a redirect (Carryminati -> Ajey Nagar)?

Since the article CarryMinati (with the capital "M") redirects to Ajey Nagar, would it be appropriate to have "Carryminati" redirect to the same article as well?

Note that the aforementioned page I wish to redirect is create-protected.

Thanks! KevTYD (wake up) 19:30, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to respectfully decline. CarryMinati is a reasonable redirect since that is (or was) the channel name, but an essentially all-lowercase title (ignoring the first letter) seems like a little too far from a "common typo" that we'd usually see in a redirect. Primefac (talk) 23:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tfd instructions

Would you mind restoring the page as a redirect please? Or did I miss something obvious there? – Uanfala (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified my close. Primefac (talk) 23:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean no consensus for a cross-namespace redirect? Is there any thing at all wrong with redirects from the template to the project namespaces? One participant in the discussion raised this as in issue, but this was promptly countered. – Uanfala (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Half of the editors involved said that an edit summary was suitable for attribution, indicating that a redirect was not necessary. Primefac (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
.. and the other half said (or implied) that preserving the history was preferable. No meaningful objections were raised against the redirect, while there were guidelines-backed objections to not preserving it. – Uanfala (talk) 23:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adding that there was also a middle way (as pointed out in the discussion) – preserving the history but moving it to a subpage of the target. This avoids the need for a template redirect. – Uanfala (talk) 23:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Primefac (talk) 23:49, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks, this should work. I'm sorry if I came across as brusque. – Uanfala (talk) 23:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Primefac (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Task 30 request: Infobox television channel long-deprecated/duplicated parameter cleanup

Can I get PrimeBOT to remove any instances, blank and populated, of these parameters from {{Infobox television channel}}:

|dummy parameter= |terr avail= |cable avail= |sat avail= |3gmobile serv 1=

and to convert

|adsl serv 1= (numbers up to 20) and |adsl chan 1= (numbers up to 20)

to

|iptv serv 1= (numbers up to 20) and |iptv chan 1= (numbers up to 20)

The parameters for removal have not been supported, mostly since December 28, 2005 (!!), and continue to be present in quite a few articles, and in the "avail" cases, populated by dozens of pages (something like 90 pages populated for |terr avail=). This should help remove some pages from the tracking category and also prevent pages from creeping into it. More cleanup will wait until after the revamp I have an RfC on, but this is part of a parallel effort to reduce unknown parameter calls. Raymie (t • c) 23:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Primefac (talk) 02:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great, except the tracking changes caused dozens of articles where the bot didn't run that used the ADSL parameter names to pile up in Category:Pages using infobox television channel with unknown parameters. Raymie (t • c) 04:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. You wanted me to change those parameters, and I could only do that by putting those parameters into the category. They still show up properly on the article, and as soon as I'm at my bot's machine I'll finish the changeover. Primefac (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, looks like one page link got broken resulting in a revert (Special:Diff/976084172). Raymie (t • c) 05:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that looks like a GIGO issue, but I'll see if I can create a workaround. Primefac (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zscaler

Hey. I saw you adding checking=yes to the db-g12 on this article. For some more information see User_talk:Cyphoidbomb#Zscaler. In particular, please note my 20:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC) posting there, in which I noted that the content from the https://www.abbreviations.com/ZSCALER site predates the content appearing on the Zscaler article. Thus, it wasn't copied from Wikipedia, but rather the content here was copied from there. Also of note: I have a newly constructed (and without copyrighted content) replacement for the article at Draft:Zscaler. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding TfD Holding cell: To Convert

Hai it's me again, in order to process this convert; does the mainspace usages(there are 7) are to converted to use {{Simple horizontal timeline}} ? Or anything else to be done? I think redirect is not possible since they implement different set of parametes.

P.S.: I looked to work on nav templates, but all of them seems to need some technical understanding of articles linked in them. → Timbaaatalk 02:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect they will require a full conversion; it is often the case where participants will only look at the visual output of two templates being merged without looking at the actual code. Primefac (talk) 02:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, Meaning the source has to be converted to achieve the same(or similar) visual output, right? Should I have to mention at holding cell, that it is being worked on? → Timbaaatalk 02:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. You can mark it as "in progress" at TFDH, but that's entirely up to you - somehow I don't think there will be much in the way of edit conflicts dealing with that one. Primefac (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, I think, there is a problem(not exactly sure about it):
I'm seeing a loop here, If Template:Horizontal timeline is deleted, Module:Simple horizontal timeline won't work; in turn Template:Simple horizontal timeline won't work. → Timbaaatalk 14:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's no loop; the documentation of the module is just pointing to the wrong template, it should say "implements {{simple horizontal timeline}}". Then again, the /doc is largely irrelevant, I could say it "implements {{infobox}}" and it wouldn't actually change how the module works. Primefac (talk) 16:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. I'll get on with conversion. → Timbaaatalk 01:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should the user space usages also be converted? → Timbaaatalk 12:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Normally/ideally, yes, but the "newest" user space was last edited in 2017, with most of them sitting idle for almost a decade. I think removing them or commenting them out is perfectly acceptable in this case. Primefac (talk) 13:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed all instances except the one template that's at TFD right now. Primefac (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
thumbs up Great! → Timbaaatalk 14:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suppression

I had an idea recently about the suppression templates and wanted to bring it to your attention because you've helped create those templates. My discussion is here. I posted there at first, not realizing that {{Uw-selfinfo}} and others also used the same image. I have already changed the image on the {{suppressed}} template but I am interested to see if there are other ideas, as I think the original yellow smiley face does a much better job of getting young users' attention than the blue letter "i" that just looks like every other message they've seen. Thanks, —Soap— 14:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable, and I've replied as such there. Good thinking. Primefac (talk) 16:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ECP templates

Hey Primefac. Thanks for dealing with my laundry list at RfPP. Also wanted to follow up on one you ticked that wasn't changed, Template:Metadata Population DE-RP (-> TE). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Primefac (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

first article me

Hello dear user, for the first article I wanted to create, I translated it from Persian, Which is in the Amir Tataloo discography.Do you think I was able to write a good article as my first article or not? What is your opinion?Ap (Talk • contribs) 19:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware, we don't list album's track listing on a general Discography page. I think it's a good idea to add it to the Amir Tataloo page, but right now there's not enough content to merit its own page. I highly suggest reading through WP:DISCOGSTYLE, which better outlines how discography pages are set up. Primefac (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another PrimeBOT request

There are 429 articles in Category:Pages using infobox shopping mall with unsupported parameters and all of them because they use |shopping_mall_name= instead of |name=. Can PrimeBOT run on those to empty the cat and then remove the undocumented parameter? Raymie (t • c) 20:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Primefac (talk) 15:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Portal question

Hi Primefac. I figured I'd asked you about this because you're quite knowlegable about templates, etc. It seems that quite a number of portals have been set up to include blurbs (usually the leads) of articles and this seems to be being done mostly by template transclusion. In many cases the transclusion includes the infobox image which sometimes turns out to be non-free content. Since non-free content isn't supposed to be being used in the portal namespace per WP:NFCC#9, such files are generally flag for review by a bot. Cleaning this up when the image is directly added to portal page is quite simple because all you need to do is remove the image syntax. Things are a bit trickier when the image is being transcluded, however, and in such cases I often add <noinclude></noinclude> syntax to the article where the image is being used. This seems to work, but I'm never whether it's the best solution to this problem.

The latest example I came across was File:The Wild Bunch.JPG. It was being transcluded into Portal:1960s, most likely as part of the transclusion of The Wild Bunch. I seemed to have resolved the problem for now, but I'm wondering whether there's a way to somehow stop all portals from including non-free images when they transclude articles.

Apparently using template transclusion for portals was agreed upon here but nothing in that discussion seems to make mention of non-free content transclusion (it probably never crossed anyone's mind). Maybe there's a way to tweak the syntax in some way at the portal's end that doesn't involve adding "noinclude" to individual article infoboxes? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to Template:Transclude random excerpt's documentation, it is supposed to remove non-free images. Line 263 of the related module has
	if not fileDescription or fileDescription == "" or mw.ustring.match(fileDescription, "[Nn]on%-free") then return false end
Which is basically only matching the phrase "non-free"; I honestly don't know if it's matching the wikitext or the output, but I'm guessing the former, since the code of File:The Wild Bunch doesn't use the words "non-free" because it's transcluding {{Film poster fur}}. If I'm wrong about that, then I have no idea why the module isn't working, but if I am right you'll probably need to have someone update the code to better match what actually should be looked for in the code. Hope this helps. Primefac (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely matching the wikitext (the previous line is local fileDescription, fileTitle = getContent(page), where the getContent function calls title:getContent(), which is a Scribunto built-in function documented at mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title objects as Returns the (unparsed) content of the page, or nil if there is no page .... The module should probably be updated to also exclude files whose wikitext fur. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Primefac and Pppery for trying to figure this out. Would updating the module be a major change that might adversely affect lots of portals or will it be just a tweak? I’m asking this because I’m not sure what the next step should be and who to now query about fixing this. Finally, many of the templates used for WP:FURs were created at different times by different editors and the naming is not always consistent. Perhaps “fixing” that might be another way of trying to resolve this? — Marchjuly (talk) 22:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).

Administrator changes

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removed Angela • Jcw69 • Just Chilling • Philg88 • Viajero

CheckUser changes

readded SQL

Guideline and policy news

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The C of E AN closure

Hi Primefac, reading through your closing statement, I can't help but wonder if it could use some clarification. I think your intent was to write that Boing's proposal, BlueMoonset's proposal, and mine, all had consensus; but as written, it isn't clear that the wording of my proposal was that any independent reviewer could veto The C of E's hooks without further discussion, which is not usually the case at DYK, in that extended discussion and appeal is permitted. I see that The C of E has said he intends to appeal, but regardless, it would help to clarify what he is appealing. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vanamonde93, CoE was wanting an "appeal" (for lack of a better term) in order to indicate that the veto must be grounded in policy, as he was concerned that anyone could veto for any reason, meaning that people who didn't like him could veto "just because". That appeal was withdrawn as it was indicated that the disruptions should happen first (i.e. after any major concerns). I guess I'm not entirely sure what you're asking me to clarify. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't seen the appeal, thanks for letting me know about that. I am asking for bullet 3 of your closure to reflect the proposal it draws from. At the moment, it says what The C of E must do if a hook is vetoed, but not that any reviewer may veto them, which is the critical part. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:12, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can not any reviewer put in a veto for a hook, for anyone? Primefac (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Briefly, no, they cannot. The long version is that it's complicated, because the rules are not codified; the review process is run largely on good faith and common sense. Typically, when a reviewer rejects a hook, nominators work with them to come up with an acceptable alternative. Otherwise, there are frequent requests for second opinions, and always the option of an appeal at WT:DYK (note that "reviewer" can mean multiple people for a given nomination). The C of E is the only editor I am aware of who will utterly reject reviewers' decisions, and to endlessly bludgeon such discussions because he will not consider offering an alternative hook, and will not consider alternatives offered by others. Needless to say, this bickering typically occurs with hooks that many of us consider inappropriate. Hence the proposal, which offers a way for reviewers to cut this bickering short, and compel The C of E to offer a new hook. To sum up, current practice allows and even encourages editors to debate hooks with a reviewer. That is what the proposal explicitly disallows for The C of E, because he bludgeons that process. A reviewer's rejection now carries greater weight on nominations by The C of E, and this is missing from your closure statement. If you'd like another editor to weigh in on whether this is an accurate representation of current practice, I'm sure BlueMoonset, who has been working tirelessly at DYK for a long long time, would oblige. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I see where you're coming from. I'll add back in the first part of your proposal to the close. Primefac (talk) 00:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:St. Lucie Public Schools G6

How are you going to redirect a draft to something that is already at the same name? Meters (talk) 01:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Like this. Primefac (talk) 01:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I understand how to do it if we actually wanted a redirect from draft space to article space, but why would we want to that? It's a copy of an existing article that was incorrectly made in draft space. Meters (talk) 01:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are 463 pages in Category:AfC submissions declined as already existing. Should we G6 them all? No, because as far as I'm aware there is no consensus for that; otherwise, we would delete duplicates instead of declining. There are many reasons duplicate pages may exist in the draft space, and while I suspect most of them eventually get G13'd, we shouldn't just go around deleting them because they exist. Primefac (talk) 01:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This has nothing to do whatever other duplicate articles may exist. This particular draft was created by mistake, by someone who was trying to move the article. He asked a the TeaHouse, the article was properly moved, the draft serves no purpose, and neither does the redirect as far as I can see. Meters (talk) 02:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And this is not a case of a duplicate under a viable alternative title being turned into a redirect, since it is the same title. Meters (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever. clearly it's not a G6 since you object. Meters (talk) 02:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Batwoman (season 1)

I apologise on behalf of User:Brojam who restored it without allowing Draft:Batwoman (season 1) to enter the mainspace. Could you please delete it or perform a round-robin move? --Kailash29792 (talk) 03:59, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kailash29792: The draft is just a copy of the main article with absolutely no new content apart from more guest actors listed; also too soon per MOS:TVSPLIT. - Brojam (talk) 04:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Brojam, but Batwoman (season 2) (which has just begun filming) is not like that. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That means nothing. Not the first time we have a season article for one/or some season(s) and not others (especially the Arrowverse shows). Just means we need to work on the season 1 draft to not have it be a complete copy of the main article and make it ready for the mainspace. - Brojam (talk) 04:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kailash29792, I think I'm going to default to Brojam on this one. I hate to admit I forgot about the guidelines for standalone season pages (having made a few of these errors myself in the past). Primefac (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acc Block

Hello Primefac! Please I'll like to plead on the behalf of User:Mbagwu francisca whose account was blocked by you due to continuous vandal/spam/EF issues. She is quite a new volunteer who joined wikipedia five months ago and haven't made any edit until recently when she wanted to make an edit. Given she's a new volunteer, she was not aware same wikipedia account can be used across multiple Wikimedia projects. So she was attempting to create another one, as claimed when her account was blocked by you.

Please do unblock her account and I'll do well to guide her in her subsequent activities on wikipedia. Thanks for your understanding. Ptinphusmia (talk) 21:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Um... User:Mbagwu francisca isn't blocked on enwiki (and has never been blocked), so that's about as far as my blocking ability would go. Are you sure you have the right account? Primefac (talk) 21:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COPYVIO and ownership claim

Hi, Primefac. Please have a look at Talk:Transactions_of_the_Krylov_State_Research_Center regarding copyright violation and contesting speedy delete by claiming as the owner of the contents. Thank you. ~ Amkgp 💬 07:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The editor has removed the copyright materials from the page ~ Amkgp 💬 09:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Just remember that if someone rewrites the material and you haven't already let an admin know about it, you should request a {{revdel}} so that the copyvio material can be removed. Primefac (talk) 12:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, Thanks for letting me know this, will apply next time when applicable/required. ~ Amkgp 💬 13:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
For your creation of {{Family name hatnote}}, a brilliant idea that helps standardise a whole swathe of articles, and deals with the complex issue of identity in an unexpected and clever way. Well done!! Tom (LT) (talk) 03:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hlist not appearing correctly

Do you have any idea why in this article, the values of attribute 'തൊഴിൽ' in the infobox seems to show in a straight line instead of two lines? Meaning, it is not appearing in two lines. I checked with many of the templates, but I couldn't find a solution. I also have a doubt if something needs to be done in its CSS file or not. Adithyak1997 (talk) 07:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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