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Postage stamp refs
A new editor, Kaushwiki, added a section in July about commemorative stamps. The user then posted bare urls directly into the Refs section of the article. I have removed these and placed them here, so that they can eventually be properly included.
It appears from their talk page that this editor has made similar edits to many other articles in their brief career here, and retired from Wikipedia after their behaviour was raised at ANI.
279. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/178779-Karl_Marx_1818-1883_philosopher-Karl_Marx-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 1305C, Stamp Number HU 1042, Yvert et Tellier HU 1079A. 280. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/176915-Karl_Marx_1818-1893_politician-Personalities-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 2068A, Stamp Number HU 1583, Yvert et Tellier HU 1680, AFA number HU 2024. 281. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8663-India/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:IN 950, Sn:IN 1017, Yt:IN 761, Sg:IN 1084. 282. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/2650-Russia/year/2018/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Col:RU 2018-18 and Col:RU 2018-18KB (Mini-sheet). 283. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8150-Vietnam/year/1983/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1367, Sn:VN 1317, Yt:VN 462 and Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1368, Yt:VN 463. 284. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/2652-Soviet_Union_USSR/year/1933/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:SU 424X-26X, Sn:SU 480-82, Yt:SU 473-75, Sg:SU 603-05, AFA:SU 431-33.
Freemasonry
Reliable sources stating Marx was a Freemason:
- gazetawarszawska.net: "Marx came from a long line of Jewish rabbis. He lived in Dean Street, London in squalor. He used to visit the Red Lion Pub at Great Windmill Street...During the Napoleonic War of the Sixth Coalition, [Marx's father] Hirschel Mordechai became a Freemason in 1813, joining their Loge L'Ètoile anséatique (The Hanseatic Star) in Osnabrück";
- marxists.org: "On Tuesday the workers’ delegates held a meeting that was also attended by representatives of other trades, at which it was unanimously decided not to accept employment from any master who might demand a promise not to participate in the “society.” Simultaneously, a meeting was held by the “associated” masters in the Freemason’s Tavern, to which no newspaper reporters were admitted."
- analysis of the freemasons in the light of "the complete works ..., also available on JSTOR: "Studies of the Freemasons, even though rare and scattered, have been carried out by Chinese scholars for a long time, but they have never become the focus of academic debates until recent years. There are dozens of discussions concerning the Freemasons in The Complete Works of Marx and Engels, a legacy too precious to be overlooked." (public abstract)
Therefore, there are a website connected to the subjject of the article (marxist.org) and two indipendent sources, the latter of which is based on a textual study of the Marx's works.Philosopher81sp (talk) 22:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- None of this is evidence Marx was a Freemason.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed with Jack Upland. But also, in addition, none of these are academic level reliable sources. These are all actually political, non-reliable web sites. warshy (¥¥) 23:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- probably, they were in the Google directory some months ago and now they have been disappeared for a somesort of filter. As the third paper states "Studies of the Freemasons, even though rare and scattered,...", the same mistake happens in the accademic research so that nobody has published -or divulgated- nothing about that matter. If we don't have nothing better, then we keep the discussion saved as now it is. Thanks for your reply.Philosopher81sp (talk) 12:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Wife Jenny’s Background
This description of Marx’s wife, “Jenny von Westphalen, an educated baroness of the Prussian ruling class”, does not match her own Wikipedia article or historical fact.
Her father was a civil servant, as was her grandfather. They were elevated in name to petty nobility for service. They were not members of “the Prussian ruling class”, an aristocratic, military, landowning class. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.54.58.146 (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, she was an Edle, certainly not a baroness, and I don't think she was in the ruling class. I will amend the text.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
House in Trier, Germany, where Marx spent his childhood and youth
Heinrich Marx, the father of Karl Marx, bought the small mansard roof building in Trier´s Simeonstrasse in 1819 [1] when Karl was only one year old. The later socialist grew up here with his parents and five siblings and moved out aged 17 after his graduation from secondary school (Gymnasium). Yet as a grown up man, he returned to Trier several times to visit his relatives. Compared to today, little has changed in the historical city center of Trier: The main characteristics of the old town around the market place have been preserved and looked more or less the same back in the days when Karl Marx lived there [2]. In particular the neighbourhood of the house to the Trier's most famous landmark, the Roman city gate Porta Nigra, is still impressive. In most parts unchanged to this day, it is likely that Karl Marx took the very same route to school every day that tourists can walk today [3]. The house in Simeonstraße had a lasting impact on Karl Marx, especially since he had been educated here in home schooling until the age of 12 [4]. As an adult, Karl Marx returned to live with his family in this house during his visits several times. For example in 1841 after his doctoral studies in Berlin, Marx travelled back to Trier. The main reason for his return home was to be close to his long-term fiancée Jenny von Westphalen. Also in the following year, 1842, Karl Marx spent some months in the house in Simeonstraße 8 (then Simeongasse 1040) in order to take care of family matters [5].
Location of the house The former home of Karl Marx in Simeonstraße 8 (then Simeongasse 1040) looks rather unremarkable at the beginning of Trier's shopping promenade close to the famous Porta Nigra. Only a few minutes walk leads visitors to the bronze statue of Karl Marx by Wu Weishan – a present from the People's Republic of China to Trier.
Jewish atheists category
Should Karl Marx be added to the category "Jewish atheists"? After all, the section in this article on his childhood says he was ethnically but not religiously Jewish. Vorbee (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- ^ Longuet, Robert-Jean (1977). Karl Marx mein Urgroßvater. Berlin. p. 16.
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