Talk:2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation: Difference between revisions
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Encampment section should be separate, not a subsection of background section [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140|2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140]] ([[User talk:2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140|talk]]) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
Encampment section should be separate, not a subsection of background section [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140|2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140]] ([[User talk:2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140|talk]]) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== You need to add an antisemitism on campus section. This article is clearly missing important incidents where Jewish students were objectively attacked on campus! == |
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Saying this article is biased is an understatement. I would make the edits myself, but I don't have the permission to. All in the incidents on campus where Jewish students have been targeted are missing from the article. This is not a neutral piece, and frankly shame on you for locking it in this state and essentially suppressing important information. Shame on you! |
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The leader of these so-called "protests" has literally called for the death of all zionists, and that he "fights to kill." Here's the source to that: https://www.dailywire.com/news/zionists-dont-deserve-to-live-meet-the-leader-of-columbia-universitys-anti-israel-encampment |
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This information is vital to the balance of this article |
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Other incidents on campus include students shooting "Fuck you Yehudis," and "Go back to Poland," to visibly Jewish students. You need to explain why the Chabad told Jewish students to vacate campus, in this unprecedented move. |
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This sickle needs to be fixed immediately. Shame on all of you. [[User:Or-Shalem|Or-Shalem]] ([[User talk:Or-Shalem|talk]]) 21:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Cherrypicked Response section?
Is everyone condemning the occupation? Noone in support? The Response section looks like it was made to deliberately include only the response that condemn the occupation. 2A02:85F:E058:1000:8CB0:8FDA:A957:83E9 (talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- The vast majority of government authorities in the United States are solidly pro-Israel. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Does it matter? If you see something you want to add and it has WP:RS to support it, please do.
- BTW, I added AOC today. She condemned the university and the police. Kire1975 (talk) 01:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 22 April 2024
It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation be renamed and moved to Gaza Solidarity Encampment. A bot will list this discussion on requested moves' current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}} . Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. |
2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation → Gaza Solidarity Encampment – Name given to the protest by the protesters. MountainDew20 (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the proposed title does not provide relevant information (it's at Columbia University in 2024) and few sources have described it this way. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:ARBECR –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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- Oppose we don't have to use the official name of things, and the overall scope of this article is wider than just the encampment. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, Gaza Solidarity Encampment redirects to this page anyways, and the scope of the article is beyond just the area of tents being that there is activity all over campus and around its perimeter as well. Evaporation123 (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose we should use the name commonly used in the sources. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to NPOV name without adequate justification, and different name used by RS. FortunateSons (talk) 07:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose inappropriate and not widely used EmyRussell (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm mostly concerned with WP:TOOSOON to use the official name, but I think there is a strong argument to be made for WP:NPOV in the name as well. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: suggest close per SNOW FortunateSons (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Background could be read to mean that it's outside agitators making their way to Columbia rather than students of the university. Here's one way to clarify the situation:
− | Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel students have | + | Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel students have staged demonstrations at Columbia University during the Israel–Hamas war. |
Uhoj (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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change: "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University and Yale University." to "The protests encouraged other actions at New York University, Yale University, MIT, Tufts University, Emerson College, and University of Michigan." Oldhum (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Current iteration of the sentence in question has been altered to reflect an entire page made regarding this topic, being Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States. There is an active merge request being discussed regarding this article. Until that discussion concludes, I'd say editing the sentence in question is outside the scope of the non-controversial nature of edit requests. —Sirdog (talk) 06:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Mention of "Burn Tel Aviv" and praise for hamas in the article
https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columbia-pauses-in-person-classes-amid-anti-israel-protests/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-palestinian-protesters-outside-columbia-urge-hamas-to-burn-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/ It's claim that they are peaceful protests, so it's important to give context. I think it's important to mention that they are praising hamas (a terror organzation in USA) and are calling to burn tel aviv. 84.110.218.178 (talk) 15:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
- National Review is considered partisan. I think Times of Israel can be cited.
- We can probably include better sources of the documented antisemitic chants. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- added something to April 21st. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The only time "burn tel aviv to the ground" appears in the times of israel article is from a linked tweet by a former Israeli ambassador and "Director of the Digital Diplomacy Bureau, Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs." This is not a reliable source. Kire1975 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, times of Israel apparently lurched rightwards sometime in the past few decades. I have no clue what consensus is, its not banned on WP:RSP but its not mentioned either. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- There was a discussion at RSN a while ago, it didn’t really go in depth, but to the best of my knowledge, no consensus against. FortunateSons (talk) 13:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, times of Israel apparently lurched rightwards sometime in the past few decades. I have no clue what consensus is, its not banned on WP:RSP but its not mentioned either. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The only time "burn tel aviv to the ground" appears in the times of israel article is from a linked tweet by a former Israeli ambassador and "Director of the Digital Diplomacy Bureau, Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs." This is not a reliable source. Kire1975 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think National Review can be cited with attribution, but as we have a likely better source, I agree with no use here as long as those are enough FortunateSons (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- added something to April 21st. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- We should include a section about allegations of antisemitism eventually. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, but I would wait a few days for a clearer picture of the reporting FortunateSons (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
"caused by anti Zionist sentiment"
In the infobox the first cause mentioned is antizionism. Wouldn't this be better phrased as anti-genocide and anti-apartheid? 2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140 (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
encampment subsection
Encampment section should be separate, not a subsection of background section 2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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