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:::*The idea is that the island and the republic are coterminous. Unlike Ireland, which is legally separated, the separation of Cyprus is not recognised internationally. Cyprus is recognised as an island and as republic and the reliable sources make no distinction between the two. In the case of Cuba, it could also redirect to Cuba itself. [[User:Dr.K.|Δρ.Κ.]]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Dr.K.|λόγος]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">[[Special:Contributions/Dr.K.|πράξις]]</span></sup></small> 17:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
:::*The idea is that the island and the republic are coterminous. Unlike Ireland, which is legally separated, the separation of Cyprus is not recognised internationally. Cyprus is recognised as an island and as republic and the reliable sources make no distinction between the two. In the case of Cuba, it could also redirect to Cuba itself. [[User:Dr.K.|Δρ.Κ.]]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Dr.K.|λόγος]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">[[Special:Contributions/Dr.K.|πράξις]]</span></sup></small> 17:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
::::*I still don't see why we've got to conflate the island w/ its present political entity. They're coterminous in space, but not in time. — [[User:Lfdder|Lfdder]] ([[User talk:Lfdder|talk]]) 18:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
::::*I still don't see why we've got to conflate the island w/ its present political entity. They're coterminous in space, but not in time. — [[User:Lfdder|Lfdder]] ([[User talk:Lfdder|talk]]) 18:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::*Historically, the island and the island nation of Cyprus have been considered to be the same. The republic is just the latest point in time and is still considered to be the same as the island and it is recognised as such by the reliable sources which don't make any such distinction and use the term Cyprus to refer to the republic, thus making it the common name of the republic. [[User:Dr.K.|Δρ.Κ.]]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Dr.K.|λόγος]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">[[Special:Contributions/Dr.K.|πράξις]]</span></sup></small> 19:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I suppose we have to live with this regular repetition of the same debate. Now a move is suggested, but I expect the proposer actually means a split, with separate articles about the island and the Rep.? I oppose both move and split. There is no need for two separate articles about the same. There are not two articles about the state Jamaica and the island Jamaica, is there (just an example). Ireland is a different case, since the Rep. and the island are not the same area. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 18:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I suppose we have to live with this regular repetition of the same debate. Now a move is suggested, but I expect the proposer actually means a split, with separate articles about the island and the Rep.? I oppose both move and split. There is no need for two separate articles about the same. There are not two articles about the state Jamaica and the island Jamaica, is there (just an example). Ireland is a different case, since the Rep. and the island are not the same area. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 18:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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So, 150.000 or 180.000 Greek Cypriots evicted from their homes?

In first paragraph it writes: "The intercommunal violence and subsequent Turkish invasion led to the displacement of over 150,000 Greek Cypriots[19][20] and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots,[21] and the establishment of a separate Turkish Cypriots political entity in the north.". Further down it writes: "International pressure led to a ceasefire, and by then 37% of the island had been taken over by the Turks and 180,000 Greek-Cypriots had been evicted from their homes in the north. At the same time, around 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved to the areas under the control of the Turkish Forces and settled in the properties of the displaced Greek Cypriots." I wonder which claim is the true one? This is kinda confusing me. 30.000 its a lot of difference to just ignore it. --SilentResident (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SilentResident, you will find sources stating over 150 to 200 thousand, the exact number of refugees depending on the methodology used to define the refugees. There are various parameters which different sources take into account thereby arriving at different numbers. For instance one may or may not be counting the wife in a family, if the wife prior to the invasion was from a city which is still free, versus the husband who's home is under occupation by Turks from Anatolia. So the numbers vary, and i think it is rational. The extend of the damage being 1/3 of the population roughly of the time. Why is it of such importance if it is 160, 170 or 210 thousands? What changes? If you are thinking of a way to calculate the amount due from Turkey for loss of use of property, then bare in mind that a families children and grant children even if they never lived in their fathers and grandfathers properties they are considered refugees also. 23x2 φ 14:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In this case couldn't be better for the article's all paragraphs to write "150.000-180.000" rather than a plain "150.000" in one paragraph and "180.000" in another? ^_^ --SilentResident (talk) 03:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody was evicted. They simply escaped or chose to go south. We have not done any good until now, believing the Greek's lies... --217.86.137.20 (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Cyprus

Is it proper to call "Kypriaki Dimokratia" Republic of Cyprus? The right translation is "Cypriot Republic" just like the official name of Greece: Hellenic Republic and not Republic of Hellas or Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.109.216 (talk) 13:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced addition

A new editor made an unreferenced addition to the article, replacing the text "the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and recognised only by Turkey" with

"the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and recognised not only by Turkey but China,North Kore,Nepal,Russia & 56 Muslims Countries in the world Mauritania,Maldives,Western Sahara,Somalia ,Turkey ,Iran ,Algeria ,Afghanistan ,Yemen ,Tunisia ,Oman ,Comoros ,Djibouti ,Morocco ,Iraq ,Libya ,Pakistan ,Saudi Arabia ,Tajikistan ,Jordan ,Qatar ,Senegal ,Azerbaijan ,Egypt ,Mali ,Niger ,Gambia ,Uzbekistan ,Turkmenistan ,Indonesia ,Bangladesh ,Syria ,Guinea ,Kuwait ,Bahrain ,Palestine ,Kyrgyzstan ,United Arab Emirates ,Lebanon ,Albania ,Brunei ,Sudan ,Malaysia ,Sierra Leone ,Burkina Faso ,Chad ,Nigeria ,Eritrea ,Ethiopia ,Kazakhstan".

The edit was, rightly, reverted. However I note that there is no reference for recognition by Turkey alone, and suggest one be added forthwith if that statement is still correct; this confirms the statement but dates from 2005, so may be out of date. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"WHO EVER WROTE THE ABOVE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE LIVES IN MARS OR IN HIS OWN WORLD"

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH.........THE TURKISH OCCUPIED PART OF CYPRUS NO WAY IS RECOGNISED BY ANY OTHER COUNTRY THEN TURKEY (WELL MAY BE NOT LOL)...IF THATS THE CASE WHY IS IT THAT NO AIRLINES AROUND THE WORLD FLY DIRECT TO THAT PART OF CYPRUS??? ONLY TURKISH AIRLINES GO THERE AND CANT GO DIRECT THEY STOP IN TURKEY....AND WHY IS IT THAT THE SO CALLED "The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" DOES MOT HAVE ITS OWN CURRENCY?????...

THIS IS THE REPORT FROM THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT CONFIRMING THAT THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE SO CALLED"Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" IS RECOGNISED ONLY BY TURKEY (WELL ITS NOT CLEAR IF TURKEY DOES)BUT NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TRADES WITH THEM OTHER THEN VIA TURKEY SO....READ THE FOLLOWING,

Directorate-General External Policies Policy Department Turkey and the problem of the recognition of Cyprus NOTE Abstract: This note reviews the current situation on the issue of recognition of the Republic of Cyprus by Turkey and makes an assessent of likely future developments. The note is intended for European Parliament Members of the EP delegation to the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee. ExPo/B/PolDep/Note/2005_16 20 Janvier 2005 NT/553930EN 2 PE 350.445 This note was requested by the European Parliament's Delegation to the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee for its meeting on 23/24 February 2005. This paper is published in the following languages: English (original). Author: Anthony COMFORT DG3, Policy Department SCH 06B014, Luxembourg E-mail: acomfort@europarl.eu.int Manuscript completed in January 2005. Copies can be obtained through: E-mail: brose@europarl.eu.int Brussels, European Parliament, [20.01.2005]. The opinions expressed in this document are the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily represent the official position of the European Parliament. NT/553930EN 3 PE 350.445 Turkey and the problem of the recognition of Cyprus On Friday 17 December 2004 at the EU summit meeting in Brussels, the European Council agreed to open membership negotiations with Turkey on 3 October 2005. The principal obstacle to be overcome in the course of negotiations leading up to this decision concerned the recognition by Turkey of the Republic of Cyprus. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is said to have initially threatened to walk out of the negotiations when the EU asked him to initial immediately a protocol to update Turkey's 1963 association agreement with the EU (known as the Ankara agreement) and to extend it to cover the EU's 10 new member states, including Cyprus. Eventually Mr Erdogan agreed to sign this protocol before 3 October 2005 and on that basis Heads of State and Government for the 25 existing Member States agreed to open negotiations for accession. For many observers, the signature of the protocol would amount to a de facto recognition of Cyprus, or at least a 'normalisation' of relations between Turkey and Cyprus, but the interpretation of recognition was rejected both by Prime Minister Erdogan and by Foreign Secretary Gul of Turkey in the following days. Background The Republic of Cyprus is the only internationally-recognised state on the island. The socalled "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" (or "TRNC") is recognised only by Turkey. Negotiations for the accession of Cyprus to the EU were conducted exclusively with the government of the Republic of Cyprus, although a delegation of Turkish Cypriots was invited by Presdient Cklerides to participate in the negotiations (an offer rejected by Mr Denktash); the enlargement of the EU that resulted is considered by the EU and its Member States as applying to the whole island. While the northern part of the island must be acknowledged as part of the Union, in fact its government since 1974 has not been in the hands of the Greek Cypriot-controlled Republic. The acquis communautaire is therefore suspended in the north. Under the terms of the 1960 constitution of Cyprus, agreed and implemented following the process of decolonisation of the island, Turkey considered that it (and the other two guarantor powers - Greece and the UK) possessed a right to "intervene"1; they made use of this right by 1 The accompanying treaty of guarantee, which was signed at the same time as the constitution of Cyprus in London on 19 February 1959 and which concerns the role of the "guarantor powers", states in Article 3 that: "In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty." NT/553930EN 4 PE 350.445 sending soldiers in 1974 to protect the Turkish-speaking minority on the island. This intervention resulted in the division of the island which has continued to this day. The 35 to 40 000 Turkish soldiers which are currently stationed in Cyprus are considered by the government of the Republic as an occupying force. It is widely believed that recognition for the Republic by Turkey would lead to the general acceptance of the illegality of the presence of these troops on the island and thus substantially weaken the arguments advanced by Turkey for maintaining its military presence. It would also imply a "de-recognition" by Turkey for the "TRNC". It is for this reason that Mr Erdogan reacted so strongly in Brussels and has so far refused to sign the protocol or acknowledge the Republic of Cyprus as the true government of the whole island. The Turkish government ceased to recognise the Republic of Cyprus at the time of its intervention because it felt that this state and government wrongly claimed responsibility for the whole island and could no longer be said to represent the Turkish Cypriot minority. The Turkish position is that recognition can only be made in the circumstance of a general agreement on the status of the island, that is a solution to the 'Cyprus problem', such as that proposed last year in the context of the Annan Plan. This Plan was put to a referendum on 24 April 2004 in both Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities, but was accepted only by the Turkish Cypriots. Greek Cypriots voted against by a margin of 3 to 1, following a negative judgement on the negotiations led by the United Nations from President Tassos Papadopoulos. The reaction in Turkey to those aspects of the decision to open accession negotiations which concern Cyprus was negative in some quarters. But the government of Mr Erdogan has still been able to claim a significant political victory and has emerged stronger from this deal. Opening negotiations on EU accession is the anchor of his plans to modernise Turkey and the outcome of the Brussels summit has been broadly welcomed in the Turkish press. Assessment At the outcome of the negotiations on 18 December 2004, the Dutch Prime Minister (Jan Peter Balkenende) who was in the chair, stated that the agreement stopped short of a full recognition. He said: "It is not what you can call a formal legal recognition but it is a step that can lead to progress in this field". Mr Papadopoulos did not formally veto the decision to open negotiations, as was his right, but he did voice his disappointment and denied that the agreement by Turkey amounted to the offical recognition which his government had considered to be a pre-requisite to opening neogitations for Turkish accession. He nevertheless pronounced himself to be 'satisfied' with the outcome and stated that it was necessary to be 'realistic' in regard to the current impossibility of opening formal diplomatic relations between Turkey and Cyprus. Despite the negative assessments of several participants it seems evident that Turkey has acknowledged that negotiations for its own accession must be conducted with all twenty-five existing Member States, including Cyprus, and that therefore some acknowledgement of the government of the Republic of Cyprus is necessary. It is evident that the illogicality of the situation has been finessed; all sides assume tacitly that there must be not only the first step of signature by Turkey of the Ankara Agreement before October 2005 but also a final resolution of the Cyprus problem before negotiations can be completed and the outcome ratified by all Member States as well as Turkey. It is evident that Cyprus cannot be expected NT/553930EN 5 PE 350.445 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.43.25.119 (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About the formatting of the IPA for Cyprus

I noticed that the English IPA for Cyprus has two alternatives, in the same IPA tag. As a result, the comma between the two alternative pronunciations is between two vertical bars, thus parsed and displayed as a secondary stress, making look like a single segment, while it's two different segments. To fix that, I used one IPA tag for each English pronunciation, leaving the comma out of any tag, so it's displayed as a comma, not a secondary stress. My change was reverted, and I don't understand the rationale behind that. Having it in a single tag causes problems. For the sake of clarity, I strongly suggest that it becomes accepted to use two tags, one for each possible pronunciation, with the comma not in any tag, so that it's displayed as a comma, not secondary stress. I will not attempt to change it again since people keep reverting it. So let's talk about it. Is there any reason it gets back reverted to a single IPA tag? --Meidei (talk) 22:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for UTM Zone36 North


182.72.231.186 (talk) 12:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what correction you want made. Are you referring to this sort of UTM zone? If so, I can't find any mention at all of such a zone in the article (and Cyprus is in zone 36S, as this map shows). The coordinates (of Cyprus and Nicosia) present in the article appear to be correct, though I've tweaked the coordinates of Nicosia a bit. For now, I'm going to close this request; but if you can be more explicit about what you think needs to be corrected in the article, please post a new message below, including the {{geodata-check}} template, and someone will attempt to deal with your concern. Deor (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]





Requested move: Republic of Cyprus (03.03.2014)

CyprusRepublic of CyprusSummary of Rationale for the proposed page name change. (For Extensive Reasoning, Please Visit the Discussion):
1. Fair Approach, Neutrality, Objectivity
2. Robust and Fair Titling
3. Almost closed to objections
4. Google Search
5. Harmony and Consistency of Wikipedia can be reached only with Correct Context: Correct and Fair Usage in other Wiki Languages (Reaching Consistency with Other Foreign Wiki Pages)
6. The Consistency and Harmony of Titlings-in-Other-Languages in Software Programming in Wikipedia and Wiki-Syntax: Not only now but also for the one day in future, the importance of the "consistency and harmony" will be better understood for at least software programming approach of Wikipedia.
7. "Cyprus" redirects to "Republic of Cyprus"; "Republic of Cyprus" redirects to "Cyprus" in various places of Wikipedia wrongly.Alexyflemming (talk) 14:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rationale for the proposed page name change:
1. Fair Approach, Neutrality, Objectivity:
The reasons why "Republic of Ireland" is placed as "Republic of Ireland" instead of "Ireland" are mutatis mutandis same and valid with "Republic of Cyprus"
In Wikipedia, "Republic of Ireland" is not addressed as "Ireland", but "Republic of Ireland". The reasoning and philosphy behind this addressing are mutandis mutandis valid for "Republic of Cyprus" and "Cyprus (island)" as well.

The common parlance of "Cyprus" usually refers to island of Cyprus generally. Referring to the "island of Cyprus" with "the country Rep. of Cyprus" with 6 districts (Kyrenia, Famagusta, Nicosia, Paphos, Limassol, Larnaca) instead of the "island of Cyprus" is definitely leading myriad misconceptions and miscomprehensions. (referring wrongly to country Rep. of Cyprus instead of the true citation of island of Cyprus).

Cyprus is the common name for the island, which has a much longer history than the state. Cyprus means so many different things to so many different people. The island is the broader usage. It is not at all clear that Cyprus refers to the country more than the island. It is generally best with a name like that to refer to the more general entity. "Republic of Cyprus" is a recognised disambiguator for the country.

"Cyprus" has been used for the island for much longer than the modern state, by more than several thousand years. There really a need to move the article on the state to "Republic of Cyprus".
NGrams:
Cyprus (from 1900 to 1959) (before "Republic of Cyprus" have born)
Cypriot (from 1900 to 1959) (before "Republic of Cyprus" have born)

2. Robust and Fair Titling:
Titling "Republic of Cyprus" as "Republic of Cyprus" is robust, fair, and ethical. The current titling sends all the "Cyprus", "Cypriot" mentionings to "Republic of Cyprus", which is definitely wrong.

Wikipedia guidelines and policies (disambiguation guidelines (WP:DABCONCEPT and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC)), and current usages promote this re-titling.

When someone talks about the culture, history, geography, sport, people, and so on, of "Cyprus", they mean not the "country Rep. of Cyprus".

3. Almost closed to objections:
The usage of "Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus" has definitely includes many bias/conditioning in it. On the other hand, the usage of "Republic of Cyprus" for "Republic of Cyprus" includes no bias/conditioning and removes any such.

4. Google Search:
"Cyprus": 92,700,000 results
https://www.google.com.tr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mEoUU-vHMamh8wfX64CADg#q=Cyprus

"Cyprus" without "Republic of Cyprus": 1,290,000 results
https://www.google.com.tr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mEoUU-vHMamh8wfX64CADg#q=Cyprus++-%22Republic+of+Cyprus%22

5. Harmony and Consistency of Wikipedia can be reached only with Correct Context: Correct and Fair Usage in other Wiki Languages (Reaching Consistency with Other Foreign Wiki Pages):
Cyprus As "Island", not "State":
Alemannish Wiki: https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zypern (for the country: Republik Zypern was used)
QirimTatarish Wiki: https://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiprenez (for the country: Republik Kiprenez was used)
FRENCH WIKI: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chypre (for the country: Chypre (pays) was used)
GERMAN WIKI: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zypern (for the country: Republik Zypern was used)
Magyar Wiki: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprus (for the country: Ciprusi Koztarsasag was used)
SIMPLE ENGLISH WIKI: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus (for the country: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cyprus)
Suomi Wiki: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kypros (for the country: Kyproksen tasavalta was used)
Turkish Wiki: https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%B1br%C4%B1s (for the country: Kibris Cumhuriyeti was used)
Turkmence Wiki: https://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr_Respublikasy (for the country: Kipr Respublikasy was used)
Zeeuws Wiki: https://zea.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Languages with Ambiguation Wiki Pages:
Azerbaijani Wiki:
Cyprus (Ambiguation Page): https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr
Republic of Cyprus: https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr_Respublikas%C4%B1
Island of Cyprus: https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipr_(ada) (Kipr_ada means Cyprus_(island))

Balarussian Wiki:
Republic of Cyprus: https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%8D%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%80 (Respublica Kipr) Island of Cyprus: https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%9E_%D0%9A%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%80 (Vostrai Kipr)

Cavashla Wiki:
https://cv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%80 (Kipr)

6. The Consistency and Harmony of Titlings-in-Other-Languages in Software Programming in Wikipedia and Wiki-Syntax: Not only now but also for the one day in future, the importance of the "consistency and harmony" will be better understood for at least software programming approach of Wikipedia.

7. "Republic of Cyprus" redirects to "Cyprus" in various places of Wikipedia:
This is injection of bias/conditioning. Nothing else. See the degree of injection of bias/conditioning: Even Cyprus_(island) redirects to Cyprus(as Republic of Cyprus). Wikipedia is the PEDIA of the whole world, not the sole world of Helens. The Helens prevented the creation of even the "Cyprus (island)" article. This is completely injustice.

Note: Please specify all your pro-con arguements below the move request so that no troubles exists with the original move request. Alexyflemming (talk) 11:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, it seems reasonable to me to follow the Ireland model -- in having a separate article for the island w/ its geography and whatever else. I think it is very hard to come to any sort of concrete conclusion about the manner in which the word's used most often, so for the sake of neutrality, I'm leaning towards support (though Cyprus (country) might be a better destination). It may have been better to have an RfC before the RM. — Lfdder (talk) 13:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No. I disagree, this subject has been repeatedly discussed in the past, please see the archives. To me the above request perfectly aligns with a very strong Turkish POV, the official Turkish view one may find in Turkish sources. At its core lays the political aim of creating the environment for political recognition for TRNC on the Turkish occupied northern part of the Republic of Cyprus. What the international community sees as a nation state and Turkey sees as non existent. The island and the Republic of Cyprus are one 23x2 φ 13:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"this subject has been repeatedly discussed in the past": When? Proof? The consensus (if ever reached) holds to continue?
"...request perfectly aligns with a very strong Turkish POV": does it? See Alemannish Wiki, QirimTatarish Wiki, FRENCH WIKI, GERMAN WIKI, Magyar Wiki, SIMPLE ENGLISH WIKI, Suomi Wiki, Zeeuws Wiki. Are Merkel's Germany, FormerSarkozy's French, aligning themselves with Turkish POV? In none of these wikis, "Republic of Cyprus" was titled as "Cyprus". Instead, the fair and true usage is on the arena:"Republik Zypern", "Republik Kiprenez", "Chypre (pays)", "Republik Zypern", "Ciprusi Koztarsasag", "Republic of Cyprus", "Kyproksen tasavalta", are being used for "Republic of Cyprus" in different language Wikipedia world.
"...the political aim of creating the environment for political recognition for TRNC on the Turkish occupied northern part of the Republic of Cyprus...": Nope, Does the entitling "Republic of Cyprus" as "Republic of Cyprus" create any unfair environment, or prevent any unfair environment? Is the request that "the calling "cat" as a "cat"" POV?
What the international community sees as a nation state: Really? The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) chooses Greek Cypriot representatives from the Assembly of Republic of Cyprus and Turkish Cypriot representatives from the Assembly of Northern Cyprus, neither the country nor the assembly of which is not recognized by "Republic of Cyprus".
The "island Cyprus" and the "Republic of Cyprus" are existent: It is not discussed here. What is discussed is the "island Cyprus" and the "Republic of Cyprus" are existent, but different ENTITIES. The former is bigger than the latter. Currently, the bigger one was embedded in the smaller one!Alexyflemming (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just to the point about other Wikis: Not very important anyway, but there are currently 29 Wikis with two different articles, 200 with only one. Also: PACE does not "choose ... representatives from the Assembly of Northern Cyprus". --T*U (talk) 18:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose but split; there is no reason in the world that we should not have an article of the island of Cyprus a la Ireland or Geography of Cuba (which Cuba (island) redirects to), etc. And it should be clearer (like in Western Sahara) which parts of the island the Republic claims as well as what it actually controls. Nevertheless, the region is not as important a topic as the country that covers most of it; see Canada as compared to Geography of Canada and compare page views. Red Slash 16:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose This move request is a perennial issue. This time it is requested by Alexyflemming who is basically a Northern Cyprus SPA and he is using it to get his way on other discussions he had recently, especially at Talk:Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus where he is desperately trying, using massive amounts of synthesis and original research, to separate the term "Cyprus" from that of "RoC". I also advise Alexyflemming not to attack the ethnicity of the Greek editors as he has done above: Wikipedia is the PEDIA of the whole world, not the sole world of Helens. This is the silliest and most offensive approach to editing. It is also facile, bigoted and nonsensical because it ignores the many non-Greek editors who have opposed repeatedly this move. The most recent move request was from January 2013 where it was established unequivocally that the vast majority of reliable sources of any country refer to the republic simply as Cyprus. Below is a sample of the many sources which refer to RoC as "Cyprus", copy and pasted from last year's discussion which is archived:
Thirty one sources using "Cyprus" as coterminous with the RoC

Another example to use as reference when the article gets unprotected:

<ref name="BlijMuller2010">{{cite book|author1=H. J. de Blij|author2=Peter O. Muller|author3=Jan Nijman|title=The World Today: Concepts and Regions in Geography|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=l4V50jYkWRgC&pg=PA66|accessdate=27 December 2012|date=4 October 2010|publisher=John Wiley & Sons|isbn=978-0-470-64638-0|pages=66–|quote=Also in this southeastern corner of the European Periphery lies the island country of Cyprus (an EU member since 2004), whose political geography merits special attention because of the complications it created, and continues to create,...}}</ref>

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some more:

<ref name="SolstenDivision1993">{{cite book|author1=Eric Solsten|author2=Library of Congress. Federal Research Division|title=Cyprus, a country study|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=5UuFAAAAIAAJ|accessdate=27 December 2012|year=1993|publisher=Federal Research Division, Library of Congress|isbn=978-0-8444-0752-4}}</ref>

and:

<ref name="Singh2008">{{cite book|author=L.K. Singh|title=Marketing In Service Industry, Airline, Travel, Tours And Hotel|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=ymeMwS6X0C4C&pg=PA91|accessdate=27 December 2012|date=1 January 2008|publisher=Gyan Publishing House|isbn=978-81-8205-476-9|pages=91–|quote=When compared with the price elasticity's of Cyprus, also an island country in the Mediterranean, Malta's price sensitivity is higher. At the same time, it appears that the small island destinations have higher price elasticity's than larger ..}}</ref>

<ref name="New York Times">{{cite news|title=Cyprus to Take Over European Presidency|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/world/europe/cyprus-to-take-over-european-presidency.html?ref=cyprus&_r=0|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= What was supposed to be a proud moment for this tiny island nation of nearly 800,000 people...}}</ref>

<ref name="Queen's University Belfast">{{cite news|title=Cyprus and Divided Societies|author= Multi-disciplinary Workshop, 20th - 21st May, 2008, Queen's University, Belfast |url=http://www.psych.qub.ac.uk/cyprus/aboutcyprus/|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote=Information About Cyprus Cyprus, «SY pruhs», is an island and a country in the northeastern corner of the Mediterranean Sea...}}</ref>

<ref name="University of Sydney">{{cite news|title=Aphrodite's Island: Australian Archaeologists in Cyprus|url=http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=10645|date= 28 November 2012|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Though the small island nation in the eastern Mediterranean Sea may not loom large in people's minds when they think of international archaeology, Cyprus is hugely significant for our understanding of Mediterranean history...}}</ref>

<ref name="Fox News">{{cite news|title=Hero's welcome for Cyprus' first Olympic medalist|author= Associated Press|url=http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/09/hero-welcome-for-cyprus-first-olympic-medalist972059/|date= Published August 09, 2012 |accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Donning laurel and olive wreaths on his head like Olympic champions of antiquity, Cyprus' first-ever Olympic medalist returned home a hero on Thursday with fans chanting his name...}}</ref>

<ref name="Global Edge MSU">{{cite news|title=Cyprus: Introduction|author=Global Edge Michigan State University|url=http://globaledge.msu.edu/Countries/Cyprus|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Cyprus: Introduction Cyprus is an island country in the Middle East in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea...}}</ref>

<ref name="Scotland goes Global">{{cite news|title=Cyprus: Study by the sea|author=Scotland goes Global|url=http://www.scotlandgoesglobal.co.uk/countries/cyprus/|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote=Cyprus is a Eurasian island country situated in the eastern Mediterranean. Cyprus hosts students from more than 50 countries including the UK, Germany, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey. This small island nation has ten universities country- wide, most of which are located very near to beaches!...}}</ref>

<ref name="Catholic Online">{{cite news|title=Five and Counting. Cyprus becomes fifth European nation to request bailout|author=Catholic Online (NEWS CONSORTIUM) 6/26/2012 Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)|url=http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=46784|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= The small island nation of Cyprus has become the fifth eurozone nation to seek a bailout from the European Union. Cyprus' banks took a heavy beating due to Greece's levels of debt....}}</ref>

<ref name="The Guardian">{{cite news|title=Cyprus – the bailed-out president|author=The Guardian|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/29/cyprus-bailed-out-president-euro |accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= It's been a strange week in Cyprus, which learnt of its vital €10bn bailout just days before it assumes presidency of the EU Now that its toxic effects have rippled across the sea – engulfing the island nation through the exposure of its banks to debt-stricken Greece....The country that assumes the presidency of the EU on Sunday is to be bailed out to the tune of an estimated €10bn (£8bn) – more than half the island's GDP...}}</ref>

<ref name="telegraph.co.uk">{{cite news|title=Cash-strapped-Cyprus-plots-Russian-exit-from-austerity|author=Jeff Randall 6:00PM BST 22 Oct 2012|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/9625571/Cash-strapped-Cyprus-plots-Russian-exit-from-austerity.html|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= This island, once a magnet for money, is perilously close to running out of cash. Standard & Poor's, the ratings agency, has downgraded Cyprus twice since the beginning of August, citing "deteriorating domestic credit conditions and eroding consumer and investor confidence". With an election due in February and fears of a lurch to the left, a local café owner admitted to me that property buyers from overseas, many of them British, who in the past had been "robbed", would be foolish to rush back...}}</ref>

<ref name="CNN">{{cite news|title=Cyprus requests eurozone bailout |author=By Ben Rooney @CNNMoneyInvest June 25, 2012: 2:26 PM ET|url=http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/investing/cyprus/index.htm|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Cyprus requests eurozone bailout Cyprus, which has just over 1 million people, is by far the smallest euro area nation to seek a bailout. But the request could add to concerns about the resources Europe has to fight financial contagion. The Cypriot government did not specify how much money the country would request, but analysts say Cyprus needs about €4 billion. The top three Cypriot banks could need up to €4 billion in additional capital, which is equal to about 25% of the nation's overall economy, according to Fitch...}}</ref>

<ref name="CNN2">{{cite news|title=Cyprus facing up to life after 'peak water' |author=By Natasha Maguder, CNN September 22, 2010 8:22 a.m. EDT |url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/20/cyprus.water/index.html|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= (CNN) -- Cyprus is an island of one million people in the Mediterranean Sea and it's facing a water crisis. It is the first country in the European Union to face what is being described as "peak water" where the demand for water is greater than that which the natural resources can supply...}}</ref>

<ref name="FCO">{{cite web|title=Cyprus |author=Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the British Government|url=http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/country-profile/europe/cyprus/|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= The UK does not recognise the self-declared 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' ('TRNC' in the northern part of the island. The 'TRNC' is not internationally recognised, except by Turkey. Throughout this document, the 'TRNC' is either referred to as such, or simply as the northern part of Cyprus...}}</ref>

<ref name="The Star">{{cite news|title=Eurozone woes pile on as Cyprus, Spain seek bailout, Greek finance minister resigns|author=Vanessa Lu Business Reporter|url=http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1216968--eurozone-woes-pile-on-as-cyprus-spain-seek-bailout-greek-finance-minister-resigns|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote=Tiny Cyprus announced Monday it needs an emergency bailout because it is overexposed to the devastated Greek economy. Cyprus needs to raise at least 1.8 billion euros, equivalent to 10 per cent of its GDP, by the end of the week second to recapitalize Cyprus Popular Bank, the island’s largest bank...}}</ref>

<ref name="bloomberg">{{cite news|title=Cyprus Requests Funds Becoming Fifth Euro Nation to Seek Aid |author=By Stelios Orphanides & Rebecca Christie - Jun 25, 2012 1:56 PM ET |url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-25/cyprus-requests-eu-aid-for-economy-citing-spillover-from-greece.html|accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Cyprus sought a financial lifeline from the euro area’s firewall funds, becoming the fifth of the euro’s 17 member states to request a bailout. ...Last December, Russia lent 2.5 billion euros to the island nation...}}</ref>

<ref name="Associated Press">{{cite news|title=EU, IMF officials to Cyprus for bailout talks |author=Menelaos Hadjicostis - Associated Press|url=http://www.thenationalherald.com/article/55962 |accessdate=27 December 2012|quote= Danish permanent representative at the EU Council Jeppe Tranholm-Mikkelsen, left, shakes hands with Cyprus' European Affairs Minister Andreas Mavroyiannis as they address the media on Cyprus' Presidency priorities, and the Danish Presidency achievements, at the European Council building in Brussels, Monday, July 2, 2012. Officials from Cyprus' potential rescue creditors are on their way to the island nation to begin talks on the terms of a bailout, the country's finance ministry said Monday...}}</ref>

<ref name="washingtonpost">{{cite news|author=Posted by Max Fisher on December 4, 2012 at 9:00 am |title=Cyprus is poised for the second-largest bank bailout since 1970|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/04/the-second-largest-bank-bailout-since-1970-is-about-to-go-down-in-cyprus/ |quote= The Mediterranean island nation, the entire economy of which is worth 18 billion Euros, apparently requires 10 billion Euros to recapitalize its banks. For a bank bailout, that’s not a particularly high sum, but when measured as a proportion of the country’s gross domestic product, it’s a staggering 56 percent.....}}</ref>

<ref name="euobserver">{{cite news|author=BY VALENTINA POP|title=Cyprus bailout delayed amid debt restructuring reports|url=http://euobserver.com/economic/118594| |quote= Earlier that day, German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported that the IMF would only agree to participate in a bailout programme for the island nation if part of its debt is written off first. "The situation in Cyprus is much worse than it is in Greece," one high-ranking EU official told Sueddeutsche.Cyprus joined the euro in 2008 along with Malta. Its banking sector is heavily exposed to the Greek troubles. Cypriot banks took losses on their Greek bonds when the Greek "haircut" was agreed earlier this year...}}</ref>

<ref name="Deutsche Welle">{{cite news|author=Deutsche Welle|title=Cyprus bailout delayed amid debt restructuring reports|url=http://www.dw.de/analysis-fuss-over-possible-cyprus-bailout/a-16472485|quote=EUROZONE CRISIS Analysis: Fuss over possible Cyprus bailout Cyprus is one of the EU's smallest members, yet saving the island from bankruptcy could prove to be complicated and politically charged...}}</ref>

<ref name="Financial Times">{{cite news|author=By Joshua Chaffin in Brussels and Quentin Peel in Berlin |title=Moscow keen for role in Cyprus rescue|url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d562546a-4b89-11e2-b821-00144feab49a.html#axzz2GRDvDi00 |quote=Moscow has signalled its willingness to take part in an increasingly fraught financial rescue of Cyprus, amid German fears that EU money could bail out rich Russians who have stashed ill-gotten gains in the island’s banks. A €17bn rescue, which some diplomats have cited as a possibility, would roughly equal the island nation’s annual economic output...}}</ref>

<ref name="Der Spiegel">{{cite news|author=By Christian Reiermann and Markus Dettmer 12/10/2012|title=Cyprus Makes Big Concessions for Bailout|url=http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cyprus-makes-big-concessions-for-bailout-a-871938.html|quote= Cyprus wants help from the European Union's bailout fund. But the price for the billions in emergency aid money is high. The country will effectively lose its sovereignty.... Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF), will essentialy take control of the Mediterranean island...}}</ref>

<ref name="Reuters">{{cite news|author=By Michele Kambas NICOSIA, Dec 12 (Reuters)|title=Cyprus Makes Big Concessions for Bailout|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/cyprus-bailout-cenbank-idUSL5E8NC5W320121212|quote= * Cyprus faces debt of 140 pct/GDP without ESM-CBank * Island's taxpayers looking at second-largest bank bailout ever * Cypriot banks hammered by exposure to Greece, poor risk - Financial aid for Cyprus could push its debt to 140 percent of its national output unless the EU's permanent bailout mechanism assumes some of the burden, the island's central bank governor said on Wednesday...}}</ref>

<ref name="csmonitor">{{cite news|author=csmonitor|title=Cyprus Makes Big Concessions for Bailout|url=http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0626/Cyprus-seeks-bailout-following-Spain.-Who-s-next|quote= The island nation's government said in a terse statement that it required assistance following "negative spillover effects through its financial sector, due to its large exposure in the Greek economy." Cyprus, an island in the eastern Mediterranean of about a million people, joined the European Union in 2004 and began using the euro four years later. A recent European Commission report said the island is "experiencing very serious macroeconomic imbalances that need to be urgently addressed" and it proposed slashing spending on the island's bloated public sector and making pension reforms. Earlier Monday, Fitch became the third ratings agency to downgrade Cyprus' credit rating to junk status, estimating that the island will need another €4 billion ($5 billion) to recapitalize its banking sector...}}</ref>

<ref name="Business Week">{{cite news|author=By Carol Matlack on November 08, 2012 |title=Cyprus Bailout Hits Snag Over Russian Mob Allegations |url=http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-08/cyprus-bailout-hits-snag-over-russian-mob-allegations|quote= According to the magazine, the BND estimates that Russians have deposited more than €20 billion ($26 billion) in Cypriot banks, more than the island nation’s estimated €18 billion gross domestic product. 8 Nov 2012 – Cyprus, on the eve of planned talks over a bailout from its European ...}}</ref>

<ref name="RTE News">{{cite news|author=RTE News|title=Cyprus agrees bailout terms with EU and IMF |url=http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1123/cyprus-bailout-eu-imf.html|quote= Cyprus has agreed a bailout package with the European Union and International Monetary Fund and expects the lenders to confirm the deal later today, the island's government spokesman said. The Mediterranean island sought financial aid, which could be up to €17.5bn, equal to its entire annual economic output, in June, after its banks were battered by their exposure to the Greek crisis. The spokesman did not put a price tag on the bailout sum, saying this will depend on a report early next month that will establish how much money the island nation will need to recapitalise its banks. However the island's public sector workers already voiced their opposition to the deal...}}</ref>

<ref name="WSJ">{{cite news|author=By MATINA STEVIS EUROPE NEWS Updated November 23, 2012, 2:15 p.m.|title= Cyprus Bailout Talks to Continue|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578136441675935154.html|quote=The bailout, set to be the fifth in the euro zone, will mainly focus on recapitalizing the island nation's banks. The island may need a further €7.5 billion over the next four years, Finance Minister Vassos Shiarly indicated in remarks to reporters...}}</ref>

<ref name="ibtimes">{{cite news|author=BY Palash R. Ghosh|title=Now Cyprus May Need Bailout from Eurozone|url=http://www.ibtimes.com/now-cyprus-may-need-bailout-eurozone-371864|quote= | The tiny island nation of Cyprus may require a bailout from the Eurozone unless the government quickly enacts significant tax hikes and spending cuts, warned finance minister Kikis Kazamias...}}</ref>

<ref name="The Globe and Mail">{{cite news|title=Cyprus says has clinched agreement on bailout deal |url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/cyprus-says-has-clinched-agreement-on-bailout-deal/article5583664/|quote=Cyprus has agreed a bailout package with the European Union and International Monetary Fund and expects the lenders to confirm the deal later, the island’s government spokesman said. The Mediterranean island sought financial aid – which could be up to €17.5-billion ($22.6-billion U.S.), equal to its entire annual economic output – in June, after its banks were battered by their exposure to the Greek crisis. The spokesman did not put a price tag on the bailout sum, saying this will depend on a report early in December that will establish how much money the island nation will need to recapitalize its banks. But the island’s public sector workers already voiced their opposition to the deal...}}</ref>

<ref name="Journal of Turkish Weekly">{{cite news|title= Cyprus, International Lenders Agree on Bailout Deal |url=http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/145095/cyprus-international-lenders-agree-on-bailout-deal-agency.html|quote= The Cypriot government and the trio of international lenders have come to an agreement on a much-needed bailout loan, the Cyprus News Agency (CNA) reported on Friday. On Thursday, the mission of the three international lenders left the island nation after ten days of regular talks that yielded no final accords. Cypriot Finance Minister Vasos Shiarly said the country might need a bailout loan of up to 17 billion euro (almost $22 billion). According to the IMF, the island nation’s estimated 2012 GDP stood at $24 bullion...}}</ref>

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The idea is that the island and the republic are coterminous. Unlike Ireland, which is legally separated, the separation of Cyprus is not recognised internationally. Cyprus is recognised as an island and as republic and the reliable sources make no distinction between the two. In the case of Cuba, it could also redirect to Cuba itself. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still don't see why we've got to conflate the island w/ its present political entity. They're coterminous in space, but not in time. — Lfdder (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Historically, the island and the island nation of Cyprus have been considered to be the same. The republic is just the latest point in time and is still considered to be the same as the island and it is recognised as such by the reliable sources which don't make any such distinction and use the term Cyprus to refer to the republic, thus making it the common name of the republic. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I suppose we have to live with this regular repetition of the same debate. Now a move is suggested, but I expect the proposer actually means a split, with separate articles about the island and the Rep.? I oppose both move and split. There is no need for two separate articles about the same. There are not two articles about the state Jamaica and the island Jamaica, is there (just an example). Ireland is a different case, since the Rep. and the island are not the same area. --T*U (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]