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== Mental Illness ==
The eugenics policy went far beyond the mentally ill, into all forms of mental divergence. Those born with a large number of conditions were also murdered, for example almost all of Hans Aspergers clients. The "family" of those not neurotypical (and that was pretty much the wider group not conforming to the Arian ideal) have now declared themselves Neurodivergent, although this does not include the mentally ill.
To a great extent, the rationale was pure discrimination. The attack on women and children took the form of immediate selection for the gas chambers on arrival at the camps.
I'd strongly recommend you alter the phrasing, therefore, as it reflects an outdated model from the 1950s.
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Please add a "Total" row at the bottom of the "Murdered" table at the top right of the page. Most other population tables on Wikipedia seem to do this, so why not make it easy for our readers? Based on the sources, the low estimate is 16,109,750, and the upper estimate is 19,618,500. 70.122.40.201 (talk) 03:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can't add estimates this way, it's not numerically or statistically sound. Jayjg(talk) 20:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From the sources in the article, it looks like "seventeen million"/"six million Jews and eleven million non-Jews" is a consensus number. Do we have a high-quality source we can use for a total row? Sceptre (talk) 11:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Quoting from the article: "Donald Niewyk suggests that the broadest definition, including Soviet civilian deaths, would produce a death toll of 17 million." I assume that comes from the The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust, Columbia University Press, 2000. Jayjg(talk) 23:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Closing the request while under discussion, per template instructions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Please change "LGBT people (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender);" to "Homosexual people (gay, lesbian, bisexual);" The use of LGBT is unnecessarily vague and the source provided only references the persecution of gays, lesbians and bisexuals. Thank you. Sheepdog11 (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seeking Consensus: Use of LGBT is unnecessarily vague when it was specifically homosexuals who were persecuted.
I requested the following change but was denied because I hadn't established a consensus (my fault, I apologize):
'Please change "LGBT people (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender);" to "Homosexual people (gay, lesbian, bisexual);" The use of LGBT is unnecessarily vague and the source provided only references the persecution of gays, lesbians and bisexuals. Thank you.'
Let me know what you think of this proposed change. Sheepdog11 (talk) 18:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since this proposal appears to be due to the fact that the article does not currently provide a source that references the persecution of transgender people in Nazi Germany, I've looked into that specifically. Here's what I've found.
Transgender is a term that did not become popular until the 1970s. Per Wikipedia, it is used to describe "people who have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth." In other words, it describes gender-nonconforming persons.
I've identified in reliable sources that gender-nonconforming people were most certainly a part of persecution in Nazi Germany.
So here's my thoughts. Just because transgender was not a popular word during the existence of Nazi Germany does not mean that transgender people did not exist, and as reliable sources suggest they were persecuted, we should include the current wording in the article as-is. ––Formaltalk 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As you stated, the proposal was indeed due to the lack of source for the 'Transgender' part of the LGBT acronym. You have rectified this issue.
As per your final line, I agree. LGBT is used here as a descriptor of a category of people who existed at the time, even if the descriptor 'LGBT' was not in use yet.
The eugenics policy went far beyond the mentally ill, into all forms of mental divergence. Those born with a large number of conditions were also murdered, for example almost all of Hans Aspergers clients. The "family" of those not neurotypical (and that was pretty much the wider group not conforming to the Arian ideal) have now declared themselves Neurodivergent, although this does not include the mentally ill.
To a great extent, the rationale was pure discrimination. The attack on women and children took the form of immediate selection for the gas chambers on arrival at the camps.
I'd strongly recommend you alter the phrasing, therefore, as it reflects an outdated model from the 1950s.
Note: Closing the request while under discussion, per template instructions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the 
talk 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)