Talk:President of India

Current President of India

The entire section on the Current President should be deleted after ensuring that all the information is included in the article on Abdul Kalam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkCrusader (talk • contribs)

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This has already been done. Am removing the clean up marker.

Arjun 07:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

now from 25july2017 the president of india is replaced by Ram Nath Kovind, so plz update the page Anmol agrawal (talk) 09:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Title

"Shri" is simply Mr and should not be used as a prefix, just as we would not tack on "san" after the name of the Japanese prime minister. Ash (talk) 11:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

No criticism is offered?

Unfortunately, no criticism is offered about the president, his need, his actions through the years, etc. Perhaps someone could add a section on the various criticism involving the Indian Presidents to make the article more rounded. Priyatu 12:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article 53

I have removed the incorrect explanation of Article 53.Bharatveer 12:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Image misplaced?

Is it just my browser or is one of the image "the standard of the President of India" placed to hide some of the text? -Cribananda 07:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Was in mine too, but I inserted a <br> tag to clear it.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 13:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. -Cribananda 16:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties

• http://lawmin.nic.in/legislative/Art1-242%20(1-88).doc

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties.

Article 51A : It shall be the duty of every citizens of India -

(h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform.

Comment : Present President APJ Abdul Kalam (I say muslim President) offers chaddar to Ajmer sharif Officially and in the article the President of India and profiles of APJ Abdul Kalam it is given that he is Scientist, Missile Technologist. The Wikipedia Encyclopedia gives some contradictory information.

vkvora 17:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

it is a human emperoro also to tag it i love u santhosh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.164.218.57 (talk) 08:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Pardons

Pardons are generally considered executive acts, not judicial acts. It is an extraordinary sovereign power to override a judicial decision as an act of mercy. Manojb 10:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Corruption and Assent to Profit Bill

VKrora , SEE NOT A SOAPBOAX .Bharatveer 04:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Any delay in Democracy invite corruption and in India this start with the President of India.vkvora 04:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Important Presidential Interventions

Will anybody add some information for APJ Abdul Kalam and signing the document of Bihar Assembly dissolution and Profit Bill. vkvora 12:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Red Tape, Bureaucracy, Corruption, Political corruption, Bribery, Extortion, Graft, Money Laundering all are part and parcel of Religon. vkvora 05:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Article 74 and 111 of Constitution of India and 15 days for signing the Profit Bill

• http://lawmin.nic.in/legislative/Art1-242%20(1-88).doc

(Meaning of as soon as possible for APJ Abdul Kalam is 15 days)

74. Council of Ministers to aid and advise President.

(1) There shall be a Council of Ministers with the Prime Minister at the head to aid and advise the President who shall, in the exercise of his functions, act in accordance with such advice.

Provided that the President may require the Council of Ministers to reconsider such advice, either generally or otherwise, and the President shall act in accordance with the advice tendered after such reconsideration.

(2) The question whether any, and if so what, advice was tendered by Ministers to the President shall not be inquired into in any court.

111. Assent to Bills.

When a Bill has been passed by the Houses of Parliament, it shall be presented to the President, and the President shall declare either that he assents to the Bill, or that he withholds assent therefrom:

Provided that the President may, as soon as possible after the presentation to him of a Bill for assent, return the Bill if it is not a Money Bill to the Houses with a message requesting that they will reconsider the Bill or any specified provisions thereof and, in particular, will consider the desirability of introducing any such amendments as he may recommend in his message, and when a Bill is so returned, the Houses shall reconsider the Bill accordingly, and if the Bill is passed again by the Houses with or without amendment and presented to the President for assent, the President shall not withhold assent therefrom.

vkvora 12:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

i do not know how to edit but an error is an error. It needs to be fixed.I beg to bring to your notice, the mistake in the introductory page titled 'President of India'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_India#Election_of_the_President). It is written 'The current President of the Republic of India is Sourav Ganguly and sometimes Dr. Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen (APJ) Abdul Kalam .[1]'. Kindly correct it. Where did Sourav Ganguly come from in this page and how can he be the President of India along with Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam ?. I know errors are expected in such a ocean of knowledge like Wikipedia. But this issue is quiet sensitive. Kindly correct it at the earliest.

President of India template

I want to know the reason why the template of President of India is removed. Such a template is there on the President of the United States article, so why it should not be placed in other presidential articles.--59.184.116.245 09:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Have added it back. If anyone wants it deleted, please respond to this discussion Madan | Talk 15:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

How many presidents?

In Abdul Kalam's page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam ) it says "11th President of India In office July 25, 2002 – July 25, 2007". On this page, it says "The 13th current President of India [...] was sworn in on 25 July 2007". I think we're missing a president there somewhere. Iron Condor (talk) 03:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Presidential standard

I'm confused about the image described as the presidential standard in this article. In the image description page, it says that it is the national emblem of India, nothing about a presidential standard. That is the case as far as I know, too. Can someone with the necessary knowledge clarify this for me? Thanks. Chamal ^talk 00:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

List of President of India

I have included the list on the main page, in accordance with the prime minister of India. It provides quick access for people to view the presidents, without going to a different page. I am going to include election page on the table too.--Harish89 (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a link to the previous President? It looks like this page was re-written by political hacks before the man even took his oath of office. He was elected a few days ago, and takes office tomorrow, yet is not only listed as thre current President, but also as the "incumbant" even though is is not surrently the president, and the person who IS president was the incumbant for the last election...96.238.182.106 (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Calculation

I have moved the calculation portion to the main article for President of India. I think its more appropriate section to have it. If people have problem with please let us know in discussion

Vandalism

This page is victim of Vandalism. Something ought to be done about it. Jon Ascton  (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

pratibha devisingh patil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.211.98 (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Derogatory description

"& thus The President acts as the representative of the HM government as Lord Governor General & As Head of State of India giving him the title of 'His Excellency The Right Honourable Lord Governor General & President Of The Commonwealth Dominion Republic Of India.[11][12]"

This explanation is contrary to the reality. We no more have the post of "Lord Governer general" ! It is abolished the moment India become a republic ! On January 26,1952. The description "commonwealth dominion of Republic of India" republics can't be dominions. We are only a member of Commonwealth realms we are not are dominion. Hence I'm going to delete these senstencea if nobody contests my explanation ! Naveen Reddy

You are right, this seems like an contrary statement. I could not find anything referring to the same in the references provided. This might be deleted. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 14:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

@Amartyabag Thank you ! Naveen Reddy (talk • contribs) 02:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

@Amartyabag, @Naveen Reddy, : Well the paragraph was refering to the origin of the post of the President of India. And "Despite its changed status, India's leaders desired the country to remain a member of the Commonwealth.[9] Previously a change to republican status had been seen as incompatible with continued membership, but negotiations with the other Commonwealth members resulted in recognition of George VI as a ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth. India thus became the first republic[10] to belong to the Commonwealth and this precedent was followed in subsequent decades by other countries that either adopted a monarchy separate from that shared by the Commonwealth realms or became republics" is true. The last sentence is not true. But why remove the whole paragraph?? Eliaskurian (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Salary

Salary: ₹5 lakh (US$6,300) (monthly)[1]

I earn more than that, and I'm just your average coder. Is this simply an economical difference between India and Europe, or does the President of India also earn some other benefits? JIP | Talk 18:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Indian President gets a lot of allowances. He is provided with free accommodation, staff etc besides the foreign trips, security. The rashtrapati bhavan budget itself is more than ₹2,000 lakh (US$2.5 million) Eliaskurian (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Broken Infobox

The Infobox is broken, I tried to fix that but couldn't, could someone please fix the Infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmer Jamil Khan (talk • contribs) 12:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:President of India/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ssriram mt (talk · contribs) 01:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC) I would take up the review of the article.

Initial points

I was tempted to fast fail mainly because of the following

• lot of grammatical errors - ex. "Juridical"
• ref structure is not uniform - some references lack basic parameters
• lot of incomplete sentences lacking full information like " receive INR10,000 (US$200) per month as per the Constitution" - when?, " It has never been declared" - from when?
• why so many sentence breaks - every sentence is a para is some cases.
• overall copy-edit - need to have uniform style.
• images lack alt.

I will leave one week for improvement. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Review

 Done. But i think juridical is a correct term.(pl.ref to dictionary and the article president of USA) Suri 100 (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Still not done - Universal's Guide to the Constitution of India, Commonwealth Secretariat" and some other short citations have missing parms. "Juridical" part - check here. US and Indian presidential systems are totally different - just that they are democracies.Ssriram mt (talk) 14:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you be more specific in telling what parameters are missing in the ref such as the ref you mentioned above? So change the word Juridicial to Judicial? Suri 100 (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

There are certain references which lack basic parameters like title, accessdate, date, location (for news), author, isbn (for books), volume(for journals). I think some of the references are still not using standard templates - ref no.s 13, 28,29(pg instead of p in others), 32,34,39, 49 53,57,63,64,67,70,71,72,. Ref 47 is not reliable.Ssriram mt (talk) 11:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Very painstakingly fixed to some extent. Suri 100 (talk) 14:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Also please note that all websites do not publish information,such as publishers name etc,. Suri 100 (talk) 14:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC). I tried to find them but couldnt.Suri 100 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Check Wikipedia:Reliable sources - there are quite a few unreliable ones quoted as source. Also the basic parameters highlighted above are still missing in some. Once alternate reliable refs are placed, i will start the section-wise review.Ssriram mt (talk) 19:20, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done Suri 100 (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

 Not done - refs 3,4,7 are unreliable - also try to avoid text books as sources. ref universal, news item on zeenews lack parms. Take your time to make changes - there is no rush. I will also see if i can improve the article.Ssriram mt (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

OK :D .Suri 100 (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

There are way too many ref fixes that would be needed. Books - last,first parameter, title, isbn, pages; news - date, publisher; web - accessdate, publisher. There are lot of duplicate and unreliable references - short citation style would be needed - refer Wikipedia:Citations#Short_citations. I will leave the article in hold status to see improvements.Ssriram mt (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI, although it is good go have well-formatted references, that is not a part of Wikipedia:Good article criteria.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

But MOS criteria covers this - Wikipedia:CITE#General_references. I seek addition of basic ref parms and removal of duplicate references.Ssriram mt (talk) 12:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I can help with ref formatting, but before that the issue of reliability needs to be sorted out. Please replace unreliable sources first.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, here is the plan. I will go over all the references. Meanwhile, the nominator should address all the other issues raised by the reviewer (which are much more important). It would take me several days. Please do not change anything in the present references, unless I ask for something, and except if you want to replace some unreliable sources.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK.Suri 100 (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I went over the references, rater quickly. I saw them only for technical purpose, not for the quality, although a few times I added tags. After the initial some examples, I did not address the references that were from school level text books, those need to be changed. Also, I did not address some references that were from Pratiyogita Darpan or Upakar Prakashan (same). I am not sure if Pratiyogita Darpan would be considered as reliable source.

Vakilno1 will not be a reliable source, replace that. I have added some other tags, such as page needed. Please address those. Also, one reference (interview of a president in Doordarshan, published by The Hindu). I was unsure of its format, so kept it as it is, for now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

But the content of the act published by vaikono.1 is from mha(Ministry of home affairs)Suri 100 (talk) 12:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Already  Done.Suri 100 (talk) 13:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Still, this vakilno1 site seems unreliable. You can directly use the act as a source. Text of such acts should be available in Law Ministry website. See this.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The unreliable/missing parms of the ref structure still remains. Dwaipayan & Suri - how do you want to take this - I prefer the article be reworked off the review as it is already 10 days from the point of hold. I see lot of improvements, but it still needs quite more. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I am taking this article off GA review. Ssriram mt (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is president the head of Indian judiciary?

1st Paragraph: "The President is the formal head of the executive, legislature and judiciary of India" The President is the executive head as all executive actions are taken in his name. It may be argued that he is the head of legislature since he has to sign all the bills. But is he really the head of Indian Judiciary? Eliaskurian (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Conside editing the 'Election Process'

1) The larger states need not get more votes. Its the population that matters. For instance Bihar gets more votes than Madhya Pradesh. And votes of MLA depend on the states population and the number of MLAs from that state. For instance an MLA from Kerala (with lesser area and population) has more votes than an MLA from Rajastan.

2) It will be better of someone can put the vote calculation as mathematical formula. Rather than writing sentence.

ie Vote of MLA = Population of the concerned state/(1000*no of MLAs from that state)
   Vote of MP = Total votes of all MLAs/Number of elected MPs.

3) I think the paragraph-

  "Each elector casts a different number of votes. The general principle is that the total number of votes cast by Members of Parliament equals the total number of votes cast by State Legislators. Also, legislators from larger states cast more votes than those from smaller states. Finally, the number of legislators in a state matters; if a state has few legislators, then each legislator has more votes; if a state has many legislators, then each legislator has fewer votes." should come below the vote calculation procedure and not above it.

4) The introduction paragraph on President of India says "If no candidate receives a majority of votes, then there is a system by which losing candidates are eliminated from the contest and their votes are transferred to other candidates, until one gains a majority." Isn't it better to have this sentence under the election section. It will keep the introduction concise and elegant. Eliaskurian (talk) 08:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

"If no candidate receives a majority of votes, then there is a system by which losing candidates are eliminated from the contest and their votes are transferred to other candidates, until one gains a majority." Is this system the same as the single transferable vote system? If yes, the sentence can be edited for conciseness and linked. FelixSeba7 (talk) 10:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2017

The last line of the last paragraph in the introductory text, "He is also the first Bengali to be elected as President" is unnecessary and has no significance. "Bengali" is not a clear or well-defined term, and this statement should be removed. Ashish Kushwaha 14:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this. It does not really matter what your caste/community is when you become your president. I am waiting for other editors to comment before I change this. Adamgerber80 (talk) 21:11, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I concur - but please leave this open for comments for a little longer - Arjayay (talk) 10:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:18, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017

New President of India - Ram Nath Kovind in the office from - 25-July-2017 Ravisrivastava8 (talk) 18:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: per WP:CRYSTAL. Let's wait until he's actually in office. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2017

Please add Rashtrapati Ashiana, Dehradun in the list of presidential retreats to complete the page. 64.40.228.36 (talk) 04:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: We only add retreats that have an actual Wikipedia page. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

President vs others Suggestion

@IP @183.82.199.109:-The portion that you deleted may have been there a long time but the portion was in direct violation in WP:NOTTEXTBOOK more over the portion was sparsely sourced. Also the text does not have a counterpart in any of the similar articles such as President of USA,President of Russia etc.Thanks -Forceradical (talk) 06:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

You have deleted the content and not me. I restored the content which has been their for long time. The content is sufficiently sourced by references. If you have any specific observation (including false content), please indicate here for rectification. The content is not a primary text book content to teach freshers about the president of India. However, every content has some academic angle and that is also readers seek. It need not resemble other articles like President of USA,President of Russia etc. because the powers and duties are vastly different. President of India's duty is to defend, protect and preserve the Indian constitution from government and law makers only (rest is looked after by the prime minister, state chief ministers, judiciary, parliament, state assemblies, etc) whereas in US or Russia presidents are very powerful without prime minister or with subordinate prime minister per their constitutions. So comparison with prime minister / judiciary does not arise in those countries. In India, the basic duty identified by the Indian constitution for the president is judicial in nature unlike in USA/Russia, so the comparison between Judiciary and president does not arise prominently in those countries. I do not think, any two articles in Wikipedia resemble fully with same style, formatting and pattern (exp: President of USA and President of Russia). Some additional unique 'sections' may be needed in each case.183.82.199.109 (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018

Change the monthly salary of the President of India from 1.5 lakh to 5 lakh as per the new budget announcement. MeetSC (talk) 08:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done Stickee (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeh jo dalit ko president bana rahein hai right wing group to kuch problem hai. Right wing party ko kabhi left wing ki tarha dalits ko president banane ki jarurat nahin hai kyunki inko conservative raheina hai. Dalits kaise dalit bane is important criminal family ki parempara ki dalit bhi hai desh drohi ki dalit bhi hai muslim convert ki dalit bhi hai etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.169.78.191 (talk) 03:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

References

National Emblem

The idea of state and nation are little bit different in India than USA and UK. So the country has National Emblem not State Emblem. Pranav jung (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Financial powers

The Union Budget is not laid down by the President of India. Instead it is laid down by the Finance Minister of India.15:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)Simram9801 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2019

223.226.43.66 (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Aacharya Tirthapura Nanjundaiah Shrikantaia.. Kannada literary poet, linguist, and teacher.He is credited for suggesting the term Rashtrapathi, a Sanskrit equivalent for President of India. When there was a discussion on the equivalent term for the President of Indian republic, as a member of Indian constitution council, it was he who suggested Rashtrapathi, a word with a similar connotation to President. The term was accepted unanimously and is still the term in use.

Could you cite reliable sources for this? It seems that this wouldn't really be relevant enough to mention on this article – Thjarkur (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2020

The section advising the names of living presidents shows count of living presidents as 2 which is incorrect. Correct number is 1. I would like to rectify this. Insearchfortruth2020 (talk) 12:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Has been done by someone – Thjarkur (talk) 13:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)