Talk:Sonia Gandhi

Illnesses

Can we have a section called "Illnesses" under "Personal Life"? Sachi Mohanty 07:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Do you see any other WP:BLP page that has such a section? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I've only seen it on pages where the subject is deceased where the sub-section is generally titled Illness and Death. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2020

Name correction: Sonia Gandhi Antonia Maino 49.206.10.28 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This ref: {{cite book|author=Paranjoy Guha Thakurta, Shankar Raghuraman|title=Divided we stand: India in a time of coalitions |publisher=Los Angeles : SAGE Publications, 2007.|year=2007|page=148|isbn= 978-0-7619-3663-3}} backed it up on the article in 2016. Another source is this India Today story. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done Has been included, with a source. Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

The citation is irrelevant as it is against wikipedia's policy of NPOV Saifullah.vguj (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Birth name controversy

The page as should be edit protective to prevent possible vandalism? please do help Saifullah.vguj (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I notice that an alleged birth name "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" has been added. This is not the first name time this claim has been made. The last time, it was:

• Added by Aman.kumar.goel on 21 June 2019
• Deleted by Numerounovedant on 15 September 2019

The first time this kind of thing happened was in 2004-2005:

• addition on 17 November 2004 by an anonymous IP
• deletion on 16 October 2005 by another anonymous IP

The talk page archives have an exchange Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 3#Real Name?, where it has been said that this was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found.

I don't regard the new Free Press Journal article as a reliable source because, firstly WP:NEWSORGs are only reliable for news, not for historical matters, and secondly the article is simply reporting that Britannica says X and the BBC News says Y. So, nothing useful comes out of this citation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. The FPJ source simply states what other websites are saying. This could very well have been a case of one single website/journalist picking up the name from wiki (around the mid-2000s) and the others following suit. That's possibly how it also ended up on the (February 2008) Britannica article or wherever. No erudition or books refer to her using the Antonia name. This is one of the few pre-2006 source talking about her name and the one that they use is Sonia. VedantTalk 11:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Kautilya3, I found many results online for the name, "Antonia Maino", but is there any reliable source for the Antonia Maino name which can be used in this article or are you totally against the use of that name (I observed that you have been removing that name repeatedly)? Venue9 (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Venu9, it seems that you are not reading the above discussion with a clear head and understanding what it says. I have put it in bold face for you now.-- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

RegentsPark, Vanamonde93, according to the arguments of Kautilya3 above and in the next section, the name, "Antonia Maino" was a WP:HOAX generated by Wikipedia itself, because no source making this claim before 2006 has been found. However, many sources can be found which prove that Sonia Gandhi's original name is Antonia Maino [right now]. Some sources like Encyclopaedia Britannica and "free press journal" have been rejected as sources although they have been cited as references in other Wikipedia articles. Now please tell me how to add this original name of "Antonia Maino" to this article? Venue9 (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You have to find a reliable source published before 2004, before the Wikipedia HOAX was generated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Kautilya3, I found 3 reliable sources:-

* S. R. ET AL. BAKSHI (1998) Sonia Gandhi, The President of AICC South Asia Books. ISBN 8170249880

* Rupa Chaterjee (1999) Sonia Gandhi: The Lady in Shadow Butala. ISBN 8187277025

* C. Rupa, Rupa Chaterjee (2000) Sonia Mystique South Asia Books. ISBN 8185870241

Can we add her original name (Edvige Antonia Albina Maino) to this article now?Venue9 (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You haven't said what these people say. Please provide page numbers and quotations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

They say that her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino". In the first reference cited, it is on page 15, in the second reference cited, it is on page 9 and in the 3rd reference cited, it is on page 10.Venue9 (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Quotation, "Her original name is "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino".Venue9 (talk) 03:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020

Please change the full name of Sonia gandhi to her original name Antonio Maino 2406:B400:D1:21C7:2D93:AF10:B3D0:19CB (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GoingBatty (talk) 03:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Sonia Gandhi's original name is Edvige Antonia Albina Maino, according to Encyclopedia Britannica, see https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sonia-Gandhi so please add that to the beginning of the article on Sonia Gandhi.Venue9 (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

We are not accepting EB is a reliable source for this. Please see the section above called "Birth name controversy". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

GoingBatty, Vanamonde93, RegentsPark, EB has been used as a reliable source on many articles and so I believe her original name should be added to the lead of this article using EB as a source (or any other source). Please add her original name to this article.Venue9 (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change before making this edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:57, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Net worth

What's the policy on including net worth on political BLPs? I don't think I've seen it a lot. VedantTalk 11:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2020

Wherever it says just Gandhi in the article, can we change it to Mrs.Gandhi? Venue9 (talk) 18:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

​Wikipedia house style is to leave out honorific prefixes, see MOS:MRS. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

It is confusing to use Gandhi, so can we change it to her first name at least?Venue9 (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree it's confusing, but again it's just the particular style Wikipedia has adopted, MOS:MRS: "a person should generally be referred to by surname only". There are a few other articles we have where both husband and wife are notable, I've always found them to be confusing to read. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)