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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Vaticidalprophet talk 19:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by CJ-Moki (talk). Self-nominated at 01:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Yaroslav Hunka; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • The article is detailed and referenced properly with no plagiarism issues. However, someone shared a link to the subject's blogpost (source) stating that "Hunka did not compare the men in his division to modern Jews. It was a biblical reference to the Israelites being cast away and separated unable to return to their homeland." I would like you to clarify this issue and if possible update the DYK on the basis of this info considering the ongoing controversy of the subject. Toadboy123 (talk) 06:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Toadboy123: Thank you for the reply. Would this work as an alternative:
  • ALT1: ... that Waffen-SS veteran Yaroslav Hunka compared men in his division to Jews, with allegedly similar histories of being diasporas unable to return home?
CJ-Moki (talk) 06:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 Approved Toadboy123 (talk) 08:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article cited as a secondary source states he compared his people to Jews, however, I believe this is an inaccurate synthesis on behalf of the article writers as Hunka himself used the phrase "tribe of Israel" (according to Google Translate, anyways) which can be interpreted to mean a different set of people than modern day Jews. So, a more accurate DYK nomination would simply be "Israelites" based off the primary source, even if this is slightly contradicted by the Forward article. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HadesTTW: I believe that deviating from the Forward article in this fashion would constitute WP:OR. CJ-Moki (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case we might just have to remove the factoid altogether if we are not allowed to use a primary source and the article is inaccurate as per Wikipedia:Inaccuracy. I do wish we could just cite the blog directly but Wikipedia policy does discourage that. HadesTTW (he/him • talk)
This should be put on hold until the deletion discussion has concluded. cagliost (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - according to the image source (his personal blog), that crop is inaccurate; he's the guy standing in the center, not kneeling. — Knightoftheswords 02:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Broken English. The usage of "diasporas" is wrong, as men in Hunka's division are not a diaspora, and Jews are not a diaspora either. Namely, men in Hunka's divison can be members of a diaspora, such as the Ukrainian diaspora, but they don't constitute a diaspora as a set (diaspora attaches to the whole ethnicity / ethnoreligious group, so they can only be a subset of the relevant diaspora, not a diaspora in and of itself). Jews are a people and Jews in diaspora are the Jewish diaspora, and Jewish diaspora does not comprise all Jews, so "Jews" can't stand for "Jewish diaspora". As worded, it could also make it look as if the men in Hunka's division are "diaporas", but members of a group of individuals can not be "diaporas". (Diasporas are multiple instance of a diaspora, not multiple instances of members of a diaspora.) In terms of language usage, this hook is terrible. @Toadboy123: Hello, how should this be fixed now that you have approved the hook?—Alalch E. 16:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E. I tried my best to modify the hook. ALT2: ... that Waffen-SS veteran Yaroslav Hunka drew a comparison between the men in his division and Jews, suggesting that both peoples shared the common history of being dispersed and unable to return to their homelands? Would this be fine? Also pinging @CJ-Moki: - Toadboy123 (talk) 23:01, 03 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toadboy123: I approve of this alt, it is neutral, interesting, and supported by the Forward source. My suggestions would be that the term "Waffen-SS" should be italicized and linked, and that the word "Jews" should be linked. CJ-Moki (talk) 00:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toadboy123: Thanks a lot, that's fine.—Alalch E. 21:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E. and CJ-Moki: ALT2 should not run. It seems to make a claim unsupported by the source, which says merely that he compares the veterans of his unit, who were scattered across the world, to Jews—nothing about being ... unable to return. And regardless of whether that's supported by a primary source, it seems wrong to put this person's writing comparing Nazis to Jews on the main page. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 00:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So I'll suggest a straight hook even if it seems more suited for ITN:
Also aligns more duly with the possible move. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 00:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion: That Rota resigned after inviting a former Nazi soldier was already widely reported upon and, in my view, is less likely to attract a reader's interest than the other hooks. I understand the concern that the hook might be offensive, but it doesn't say or insinuate in its own voice that Nazis are similar to Jews (something that, to be clear, would be indefensible to put in wikivoice). I propose this:
It is supported by the Jewish-run Forward source, and is interesting in my opinion. CJ-Moki (talk) 00:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CJ-Moki: Suggest avoiding this line of hook altogether. (As a point of procedure, noting that the article currently says In 2011, he compared the Ukrainian diaspora to the Israelites, which as discussed above is not true to the RS.) Surely there are further interesting details to highlight. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 01:21, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion: If it means anything, I just edited the article to reflect the reliable source. CJ-Moki (talk) 01:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
new reviewer needed to make sense of the above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CJ-Moki: Because this article has become a redirect since its original nomination, as well the various issues with deciding on a hook above, I believe the best course of action is to end the nomination. I'm sorry, and I wish you better luck with other DYK noms in the future. Johnson524 06:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnson524: Thank you for your condolence. CJ-Moki (talk) 06:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the above, I had closed the nomination as rejected. Vaticidalprophet argued that it's still a valid nomination, though. We shall thus leave it open. Schwede66 21:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I said "the rejection that was made wasn't valid", not "it shouldn't have been rejected". I clarified that in the original message and I wish you'd asked before reopening -- I was making that note to inform you and the reviewer next time of the tricky middle ground that is "rejecting based on an article being restructured". Having said that, if you think there's a new hook to be made, feel free to keep it open for that. Vaticidalprophet 21:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: Umm... is there any way for this nom to be re-closed? There doesn't seem to be much interest in continuing the DYK by those involved since the original article became a redirect. I wouldn't care, but this is one of the older nominations, and I would like to see it finally conclude. Cheers! Johnson524 16:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted sourced content without adequate explanation

User:Daikido, with your recent 2 edits, you have deleted facts directly related to the bio of this person. This was not a cleansing. Please restore them, thanks. Jingiby (talk) 11:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for these removals is unclear. Mhorg (talk) 12:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thirding this, I am asking Daikido to please self-revert. CJ-Moki (talk) 14:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have been trying to wipe out all the mentions of the holocaust and nazi ties for a while now. 91.242.152.178 (talk) 15:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I'm sorry folks, I was basing my edits on Jongibys own edits trying just like you guys to remove kremlinist agenda driven editing. If thats top much to your eyes feel free to revert me, I would have reverted myself but I'm on mobile rn without access to a pc so it's hard Daikido (talk) 16:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is clear misinformation around this. In his bio it states that 1941-1943 were the happiest years of his live as if to imply it was because of joining the division. That's not true. According to his own bio it was because the Soviet Union had control over his village and had sent his aunt, uncle, and cousins away to Siberia. When the Germans arrived the Soviets retreated so for the first time at 16 he was free. He didn't enlist until 1943. Fyrefawx (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. I have removed this sentence again. It's not clear what this statement would have to do with the "biography" even if it weren't misrepresenting his statements. glman (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not misrepresenting his statements. He said those were the happiest years of his life as the Germans had arrived, and he celebrated their arrival.
It is important as it shows the extent to which he had Nazi sympathies. 101.78.67.231 (talk) 18:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This does not show he had any sympathies, only that he fought against a side that had taken family members away. We do not know whether he agreed with a political ideology or not, if you have a credible source which states one way or the other please cite it. Casforty (talk) 01:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fighting for the Waffen-SS does not show you have Nazi sympathies? Wtf? 101.78.67.231 (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In Hunka's case, it shows he had anti-Soviet sympathies, for understandable reasons. As far as Hunka knew, the Germans were a civilized western nation.
Remember, there was no internet (free or censored). There was no Wikipedia. There was only the narrow mustache against the wide mustache. And Hunka knew the wide mustache was evil. Today we know both mustaches were among the most evil humans ever to have existed! 173.48.121.140 (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He fought for the Waffen-SS, how can you say he didnt agree with their ideology? 194.207.215.200 (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't accuse editors of being "kremlinist propagandists" without evidence. Engage on the level of source quality, don't just make unsubstantiated allegations of bad faith as a justification for edits — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.198.146.55 (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, everyone NOT supporting the maidan junta (Turchinov & co) after February 2014 was also labelled as pro-kremlin and .. shot by the dobrobats/azov in East Ukraine. Absolutely same rhetoric.89.1.153.249 (talk) 10:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Ratlines not explained

In the third sentence of the article, "He emigrated to Canada after the conclusion of World War II," there is a link to the entry "Ratlines." There are no sources that claim Yaroslav Hunka used a ratline to come to Canada or that Canada was even a destination for a ratline. Philipophish (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ratlines are a general term, there isn't a specific list of escape routes that are considered "The Ratlines". Any route a nazi took to escape could be called a ratline. And given that the first sentence of the wiki article being linked to says that Canada was a destination for Ratlines, I don't think that needs to be corroborated here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.198.146.55 (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Over one million Jews where mass murdered in that region by the Nazis and their willing collaborators. This takes us back to post World War II when the British shipped 5,000 Ukrainians in Canada. Many identified as anti-communists but the British never informed the Canadian government that among them where individuals who were implicated in crimes against humanity and war crimes,” Source: https://www.wiesenthal.com/about/news/swc-urges-canadian-prime.html --93.211.215.4 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Photos from the tribute in the Parliament

Are there public domain images of the tribute in Parliament?  I think that these would be of high interest. The website of the House of Commons is currently unavailable. TheAmerikaner (talk) 20:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any news tv broadcast or Canadian Government sourced image is under copyright. You'd have to find someone who was in the chamber and ask them to release their photo under an open license. PascalHD (talk) 03:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image identification

The text on the source page does not match the cropped part of the file: https://komb-a-ingwar.blogspot.com/2010/10/

Гайделяґер. Хлопці з мого села Урмань, Бережанського району. Я стою посередині. Клячать, зліва: Кіналь Михайло, поляк, що зжився з українськими хлопцями; після боїв під Бродами вступив до УПА й загинув у 1946 р. біля Бережан; Кулик Іван, загинув під Бродами; Каліщук Михайло, після Бродів загинув в УПА. Стоять, зліва: Фурдиґа Василь, після Бродів повернувся додому, згодом поїхав до Москви, де жив його брат, зголосився до Червоної армії, дослужився ранґи лейтенанта, воював проти японців; Ткачук Дмитро, служив у чоті польової жандармерії у Дивізії. Інші два з присілка й я їх добре не знав.

--Polarlys (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, really. Hunka claims to be standing in the middle (i.e. on the upper row), while the soldier sitting in the middle has been cropped from the photo. This is not Hunka. Jingiby (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2023

Request to add a sentence in the first paragraph of the "House of Commons of Canada visit" section clarifying that Trudeau denied that he had a private meeting with Hunka. There appears to be some misinformation about that topic, and the current text does not address that.[1] Snuppy12345 (talk) 01:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'". BBC News. British Broadcasting Corporation. 25 September 2023. Retrieved 26 September 2023.

Protected edit request: Galician vs. Galizien and article parity

Throughout the article, the term Galizien is used in italics and without quotes to talk about Hunka's unit.

But the English name of the unit, as used in its own wikipedia article, is "14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)" and whenever the term Galizien is used, it's always in quotes because it's the German name. Why is the German name being used, and if it must be used, shouldn't it be in quotes? SombraCollar (talk) 04:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's worse. The full name in English is used for the first reference, and then subsequent references read just SS Galizien in italics. If both forms are going to be used then some wording is needed to say that they mean the same thing. I was going to post an edit request myself over that. --142.112.221.246 (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This man was with the SS

Correct this entry. He fought with the Nazis. He was with the SS. 2601:600:8F00:9D60:1F22:122B:4826:3AB3 (talk) 05:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You guys got the wrong guy in the pic

CTV report with Hunka highlighted as the dude in the middle of the back row (1:17)

https://youtube.com/watch?si=CJ5ujJMViiYk9eGa&v=Wvf1ZtEmw9M&feature=youtu.be

The dude pictured on this page looks nothing like the man in parliament.ᗞᗴᖇᑭᗅᒪᗴᖇᎢ (talk) 07:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is already discussion about this problem above. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 10:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2023 (2)

Members of the "Galicia Division" were interned after the end of the Second World War near Rimini, Italy. There were screened by the British, Americans, Canadians, and even the Soviets, with no evidence of wartime criminality uncovered. Later relocated to the UK they were kept working for several more years before being "civilianized," following which a number emigrated to other countries. Concerns expressed when veterans of this Division were finally granted permission to come to Canada, in 1950, were investigated by the High Commissioner of Canada to the United Kingdom. He dismissed these accusations as nothing more than "Communist propaganda."

Starting in the late 1970s the KGB successfully orchestrated a disinformation campaign, Operation Payback, deliberately stoking tensions between the Jewish and Ukrainian diasporas over the alleged presence of "thousands" of "Nazi war criminals" in Canada and the USA. These charges were thoroughly examined in 1984-1987 by the Commission of Inquiry on War Criminals headed by Mr Justice Jules Deschênes. He concluded that reports about "thousands of Nazi war criminals in Canada" were "grossly exaggerated" and noted how there was no evidence of wartime wrongdoing on the part of the veterans of the "Galicia Division." Want more information? Read the official report at https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2014/bcp-pco/CP32-52-1986-1-eng.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4000:80:5DAF:A774:DA6E:B0E3 (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, did you have an edit suggestion? Talk pages are usually used to discuss how an article can be improved. Specific requests are usually a good starting point.
I read the report you linked. That file does not include the chapter on the Galacia Divison (why did you put the name in quotes?), and the recommendation does not say there is no evidence of wrongdoing but that the report could not find substantiated evidence of war crimes. It then concluded that prosecution of individual members of the Galician Division would not be justified. However, in the context of civil society there is a massive gulf of options between prosecute for war crimes, and give a standing ovation in parliament for how a citizen can be treated by the government. The scandal which is the reason for this biographical article's notability is not one of whether this individual is indicated for prosecution but whether he should have been honoured for his wartime service fighting under a chain of command that started with Adolf Hitler against Canada's then-ally. It should be noted that historical events are routinely rediscussed, and the findings of an investigation from nearly forty years ago do not disqualify their reevaluation.
I hope that clarifies for you some of your complaints about this subject. Please refrain from using the article's talk page as a soapbox. Handpigdad (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Feigning Ignorance

First paragraph. It was not later revealed. It was always known. It was also more than just affiliated. 108.179.18.26 (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why give Putin the PR win? We will have to lie through our teeth on this one. 177.41.205.136 (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a source for war propaganda - it is a source for factual information. 71.218.115.210 (talk) 19:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Language in lead

The current prose in the lead is poor in form and ambiguous in content. I would suggest the following:

Yaroslav Hunka (Ukrainian: Ярослав Гунька; born c. 1925) is a Ukrainian-Canadian World War II veteran of the Waffen-SS. Born in Urman, then part of Poland, Hunka volunteered for service in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division at the age of eighteen and fought on the Eastern Front. Hunka was one of thousands of Waffen-SS members who emigrated to Canada after the conclusion of the war.

In 2023, he was invited to the House of Commons of Canada by Speaker Anthony Rota. While attending, Hunka received a standing ovation from Members of Parliament and public recognition from both Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy for his wartime service and on-going support of Ukrainian independence. Subsequently, Hunka's service in the Waffen-SS become public knowledge, generating significant media coverage and criticism. Canadian government officials, including Rota, apologized for the incident, with Trudeau calling it "deeply embarrassing".

In addition to copy editing, this cleans up ambiguous weasel words, is more literal and inclusive of facts, and is easier to understand for general readership. Readers who wish to untangle the nature and political affiliations of Waffen-SS formations like the 14th can do so by following the links to relevant articles, where such material can be covered at length. Dates of service and the such are best covered in the infobox. 70.166.220.82 (talk) 17:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think generally this is good, but removing any mention of Waffen-SS' Nazi affiliation seems questionable. glman (talk) 18:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ideological and state affiliation of the Waffen-SS is self-apparent. Anyone who's curious but uninformed on the nature of that wing of the SS can simply follow the link and learn all about them. The problem with equivocating with euphemistic terms like "Nazi-affiliated" is that it simultaneously blurs the nature of the Waffen-SS as an organization while trying to thread the needle on the fact that there were many people in the "Divisions of the SS" who were not actually Nazis, or even German. I think it muddies the issue and reads poorly, especially in a BLP. In my mind, all that needs to be said is he was in the Waffen-SS. 70.166.220.82 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2023 (3)

Change "Ukrainian World War II veteran of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS" to "Ukrainian-Canadian World War II veteran who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS" as he is a Canadian citizen.

Here's one source labeling him as such: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/yaroslav-hunka-poland-minister-extradite-1.6978266 Emkut7 (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Death Editor 2 (talk) 19:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is "Canadian White Supremacists" listed as a category?

His motivations for joining the war weren't rooted in any desires for racial supremacy, he joined the war to fight for his country. I don't understand why he's listed as a white supremacist, has he made any remarks that would indicate he is, if so they should be included in the article. TheFriendlyFas2 (talk) 23:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure the nazis were white supremacists. Death Editor 2 (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Categories for biographies should be neutral, defining, and verifiable from reliable sources, not just deduced or inferred. Neither the sources nor the article text describes him as a white supremacist. See Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people 208.81.120.26 (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division was created to "fight Bolsheviks". Promoting white supremacy was not part of its charter. The Soviets had killed millions of his countrymen in the Holodomor, taken over Ukrainian territory, and carted some of his family off to Siberia. That was sufficient motivation for him to join. Why add an undocumented claim of white supremacy? Yfff (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1. The waffen SS were nazis in the literal sense of the word
2. He lived in poland during the holodomor and oh millions of Ukrainians served in the red army.
3. The 14th waffen SS division was created to fight Judeo-bolshevism, which you may know from nazi delusions.
4. How does fighting on the western front fight bolshevism again? Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be historically inaccurate to call the Nazis white supremacist in the modern sense of the word. But see also Persecution of black people in Nazi Germany. KetchupSalt (talk) 09:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, no WP:Secondary describes him as "white supermacist"; it's the same as categorising every Red Army soldier as communist. Marcelus (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He volunteered to join the Waffen SS. if that doesn’t qualify one as a “white supremacist” I don’t know what does. 179.177.243.209 (talk) 18:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Arguing that a literal Nazi war criminal isn't racist is definitely the position that requires evidence. The nazi SS was a racist organization. This is not in dispute. Trying to dispute it is considered a form of Holocaust denial, according to the Wikipedia article on Holocaust denial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.198.146.55 (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1) Deschênes Commission found the Waffen-SS 14th Galicia Division not guilty of collective war crimes. 2) «White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to those of other races and thus should dominate them.» Which means - to have this category, - I want to see personal racist statments of Yaroslav Hunka regarding to Jews or Romani people. Шиманський Василь (talk) 12:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We aren't arguing that he wasn't a white supremacist back in the 1940s, we're arguing that it isn't a relevant description in this current context. There is no indication that he is involved in white supremacist activism. 194.80.168.100 (talk) 12:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should we re-add some of the RS-sourced content that was removed yesterday?

Some guy has removed 8,000 bytes worth of text from the article yesterday. Text that was to my eye reliably sourced. Should we perhaps re-examine some of that? Daikido (talk) 12:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the reason see Wikipedia:Coatrack articles. Jingiby (talk) 16:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Maybe it will be appropriate to add to the last paragraph of his biography the fact that in 2019 he made a donation to the Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies at the University of Alberta to "support research related to the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church with preference given to investigations of the lives and work of Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky and Metropolitan (Cardinal) Josyf Slipyj".

Here is the link that confirms it: https://www.ualberta.ca/canadian-institute-of-ukrainian-studies/donate.html#H 94.25.238.3 (talk) 17:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Link is dead, can you check if it's correct? Marcelus (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It appears they've just deleted it (what a shame!), but it is archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20230927174724/https://www.ualberta.ca/canadian-institute-of-ukrainian-studies/donate.html#H — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.25.238.3 (talk) 18:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the scholarship donation was given by his sons not that man himself, to honour his memory. See, this article by The Forward: https://forward.com/fast-forward/562290/university-alberta-yaroslav-hunka-donation/. It should also be noted that U of A decided to return the money today on the 27th. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It will maybe be better then to create a section about the fallout of this accident and add all of it there along with Anthony Rota's resignation, Justin Trudeau's apology (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/yaroslav-hunka-fallout-1.6979628), possible Polish extradition request and possible Russian extradition request mentioned by the ambassador of Russia to Canada (https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassyC/status/1707094279816933397) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.25.238.0 (talk) 08:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Hunka

Any information regarding history should not be deleted. The articles regarding Yaroslav Hunka need not be deleted. It is from the past that we learn from. This is very important information and one hopes it will serve to educate, enlighten and help nurture necessary changes to our future growth. I'm very sickened by the current Liberal government deleting our history. Its a shame they cannot be proud of Canada and the growth this country has made over centuries. 142.112.225.186 (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a public figure

This article should be deleted. Previous users have mentioned good reasons.

This man is not a historical figure. Being in the news once for a single issue does not make someone a public figure.

It just seems a bit sensational to me at this point and it can be argued that the article is a violation of his privacy. 198.166.247.189 (talk) 05:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nazis deserve no privacy. The Waffen-SS remains a criminal organization to this day. KetchupSalt (talk) 09:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please remember WP:NPOV 194.80.168.100 (talk) 12:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@198.166.247.189 the man wrote a book about the history of the 14th Waffen SS Galicia and ran a blog about the subject for years, an he was subject of a talk and ovation by the Canadian speaker of the house.
Moreover, he's by definition a war criminal, and will be prosecuted by several nations.
He's very much a public figure. 178.197.194.64 (talk) 11:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This person is a war criminal. The attempts to keep his biography secret led to the resignation of the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada. This should not happen again. Akusso (talk) 11:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katchanovski and the Yaroslav Hunka affair

Canadian media rely widely on Ivan Katchanovski in the Yaroslav Hunka affair.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Also the Polish,[7][8][9] French,[10][11] the German,[12][13] and the Italian.[14] Perhaps we could quote the scholar in the article. Mhorg (talk) 09:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck Wikipedia

Wikipedia was a poo anyway lol 49.180.14.210 (talk) 11:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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