User talk:Halibutt/Archive 20

Please add new comments in new sections. Thanks in advance. Halibutt

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Re:Epigon

Well, regarding your maps, first thing is talking to him and explaining what GDFL license is about. I told him about the Gajl template and that not is using it is a copyvio. Let's see what is his reply.

In other news, are you following Talk:Camps for Russian prisoners and internees in Poland (1919-1924)? Your knowledge of Cyrillic would be appreciated there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 17:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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1926 Polish copyright act

Z Image:Breguet 14 Kijów.jpg: "As such it falls under the 1926 copyright act, almost identical to the 1952 act." - mimo wszystko to jest znacząca róznica, i przydałaby się osobna template dla tych zdjęć. Inna sprawa - jeśli zdjęcie jest z 1920, to niezależnie chyba od tego kiedy było opublikowane, jest już w public domain chyba? A jak tam postęp z obroną PolishPD?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

No, but I'll ask. Any chance you cna fix your talk page? It's really annoying that one cannot find the section edit buttons here...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Zapytałem się tu, tu, i na pl-wiki - zobaczymy, czy ktoś odpowie. A co do twojej strony, to ja w mojej Mozilli widzę straszne rzeczy: babel po lewej, archiwa i ToC na samym dole, edit linki zebrane w rządek na samym dole. To w sumie problem który widziałem na twoich stronach od kilku miesięcy, przynajmniej (i chyba nie jestem jedyny który o tym ci pisał)?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Są pierwsze odpowiedzi na forach.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Co do strony, to nie mam praktycznie nic zmodyfikowane. Problem nr 1 to długość twoich szablonów archiwów i babel jest większa niż długośc strony; przeniesienie archiwów nad babel nieco polepsza sprawę, ale dalej długi ToC z prawej i Babel z lewej to dość wypaczają. Przeniesienie Babel na userpage mogłoby duuużo pomóc.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki in sound file license template

A user has transferred a bunch of your sound files to svwiki, so I transferred User:Halibutt/ogg - sv:Mall:Halibutt ogg - and added interwiki both here and there. To the best of my understanding, this must be correctly handled - right? Please tell me if there is something you would like to add! (The user labelled your files PD at svwiki, but we will have that fixed. Don't worry.) // Habj 20:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree Commons would be a better idea, but since this user already uploaded them at svwiki... // Habj 22:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Prawo autorskie

Zasadniczo mam dostep, ale nie w tym momencie, bo od paru tygodni cierpię na problemy z nowym windowsem XP, w związku z czym jeszcze nie próbowałem instalować sobie Lexa (w którym to chyba było). Na razie spróbuję jutro sprawdzić w pracy. Tak na marginesie, rzuć może okiem na moje stare "przemyślenia" na temat tych przepisów na pl:Dyskusja_Wikipedii:Prawa_autorskie - tak na dobrą sprawę nie możemy wiedzieć, czy faktycznie te zdjęcia nie są chronione, to jedynie domniemanie z tego, że ukazały się bez copyrightu... Pibwl [[User_talk:Pibwl|talk]] 18:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mam te ustawy, poszly do Halibutta na gmaila.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Former landmarks of Warsaw

See [3].--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it would be a valid article - and that it would be long is just more reason to write it. Thx for Warsaw Arsenal - can you pleeese post your new articles at Portal:Poland/New_article_announcements - that way I can add referenced articles to Template:Did you know (or you can add them there yourself, to :>).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 20:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Anything you can tell me about the Staszic Palace (on the photo at Stanisław Staszic article) that is not mentioned in the pic description? I wonder if he founded it or if it was just named after him...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Greater Poland Uprising

Hi Halibutt, just wanted to let you know that I moved all the articles from Greater Poland Uprising to Wielkopolska Uprising to reflect the voting (I guess the admin forgot to do it himself). Appleseed (Talk) 18:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Vorkuta

Hi! I am of two minds about the Vorkuta image caption. In that particular context the Soviet slogan is indeed very similar to German's. It still feels uneasy, because that exact same slogan and many others similar to it were installed in many Soviet locations, not just in the forced labor camps. German slogan, on the other hand, was primarily used for concentration camps. Soviet was more generic. While the caption in its present form is somewhat valid, it may lead to wrong conclusions. Anyway, I'll leave the caption alone for now, but will try to think of a better way to re-write it to make it less ambiguous.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt, please stop spreading lies. Other users had been at talk all along. And please add the accusiation of lieing to your userpage. The list is incomplete. And, btw, the list also contains lies :(. I never called you a troll. I called some of your actions trolling. Troll is someone who does nothing else. I never claimed you are the one. --Irpen 19:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and before you modify your list, please note, I haven't called you a lier either. I said that you lied at the specific occasions. Perhaps, even, you were simply mistaken and told "not truthes" not on purpose. So, please don't add a "lier" to the list. --Irpen 19:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

WU 1794

I think we managed to tone done that article to reasonable levels, but if you think we should NPOV it further, go ahead - nothing ventured, nothing gained. As for the M concentration camp, do you think it's a good time to send it to PR? I think that this article comprehensive enough to end up as a FA soon.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Warsaw Uprising

Dear Pan Halibutt. Before I ask my questions I want to express my admirations for your work and for many interesting articles you have published. You made a significant work for Polish studies on Wiki. It’s a proud work indeed. I have been interested in Warsaw uprising for a long time now. I have some questions regarding the participation of Foreign Volunteers on the German side in the uprising. There were allegations that 14 SS Galicia or Galizia (Ukrainian SS division) took part in uprising and conducted many brutalities. These allegations were denied by veterans of 14 Galicia and by some historians. It’s a fact that there were foreign volunteers fighting on German side in Warsaw (Kaminskis SS Brigade POHA and some members of POA-Russian Liberation Army). Maybe those Poles who gave testimonies about the atrocities confused Ukrainians with Russians? Also as I know Azerbaidjani volunteers were fighting against Poles in Warsaw. Did they commit atrocities? What other foreign volunteers of the Third Reich took part in the uprising? Thanks in advance and wishing you all the best. Please contribute more polish articles :) Noxchi Borz 16:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pan Halibutt, Thanks so much for such an insightful and very informative information. I didn’t really expect to find out so many things in one day. Thanks to you now I have full information on Foreign Volunteers in Warsaw Uprising. I was well aware of RONA participation in uprising and also was convinced in the falsehood regarding Vlasov. However, Vlasov made numerous mistakes when he implemented Russian nationalistic policies in KONR regarding the self determination of many nations under Russian control. Although he later corrected that mistake. There was a big opposition from Ukrainian side about the involvement of 14 SS in the uprising. They still have firm believe that those were false allegations and polish provocations to present them as villains. I still don’t understand the main root causes of polish Ukrainian conflict. These are two very close nations. I think they have much greater enemy in the east. Its very sad to read about Azeri participation in the uprising. Azeris joined Wermacht due to many reasons but mainly for national liberation (others like Armenians Georgians, Baltic people, Ukrainians, Turkistani has same reasons). Is it true that Dmitry Shalikashvili (former officer in Polish army of Georgian decent) was member of Georgian SS (under BregadenFuhrer Tsulukidze) and he took part in the uprising? I think those were only allegations. He was one of the Georgian émigrés (of aristocratic background) who loved and admired Poland. Please visit: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/Poland/georpol.htm

And please let me know what you think about it. I’m very happy to have found you because it’s very hard to meet a person which such a vast knowledge in military history. I have tons of questions but I don’t think you have enough time to answer them. They start from Ulans of Napoleon (in Spain and Waterloo) till the massacre of Polish officers by Soviets.  Thanks again for dedicating your time and giving me so much info. Im planning to start article on Georgians in Polish army and if you have some info or want to help out I would be grateful.  All the best Pan halibut. Best wishes. Noxchi Borz 18:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pan Halibutt, You can not imagine how helpful this information was. I can’t express enough gratitude. This info actually will help me to do more research on those Georgians. As I know Polish government in 1920 also supported liberation movements within republics of Caucasus. From many émigrés in Poland they organized an organization called “Prometey” which was financed by Polish government in establishing military units composed of Caucasian nationals. They even had training camps all across Poland. Polish government also conducted serious research on cultures and history of Caucasian nations and collected great amount of information (later used by Germans Abwehr to form eastern volunteer units). There were some operations conducted in Georgia in 1930s. Via Turkey Georgian insurgents attacked Soviets but most of these operations failed. Many people in Tbilisi who have been involved were executed. Shakilashvilis biography is very interesting and controversial. He was one of the Georgian aristocrats who fled the Bolshevik invasion. He joined Polish army. In his work he expressed gratitude and love for Poland. When Germans invaded he was contacted by Georgian émigrés from Berlin (they had organized Georgian Committee White George). Members of that committee were his former friends and fellow aristocrats (count Amilakshvari, Prince Dadiani and Chavchavadze). They pleaded with him to join the Georgian Legion (under the command of a brilliant general Shalva Maglakelidze). He was convinced by Abwehr agents and by German propaganda for liberation of Georgia. He joined his friend who became BregadenFuhrer Michael Tsulukidze (former officer of Georgian Democratic Republic) in newly formed Georgian SS unit. Both of them had good relations with Admiral Canaris. During the uprising in Warsaw, Salikashvili refused to join German units in Poland and surrendered to the western allies in France. However, there was a version by Soviet propagandists who claimed that Shalikashvili took part I the uprising. By this claim they made him a villain. Before he died in US, John Shalikashvili (son and later a big man in US army) witnessed his last moments. He asked John to never forget Georgia and go back there someday. Its very interesting relationship Polish had with Georgians before and after WWII. Unfortunately many poles don’t know even a simple thing about Georgia (a country which admired them). With Kober I will try to make an article about it in Wiki. What do you think? Thanks a lot again Hali, I really appreciate your help. All the best. LD. Noxchi Borz 20:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Partisans in Poland

Halibutt, I decided to write here first because I want to treat the issue separately from the conflict with that filthy mouth fellow. I will respond to your question about pictures at that article's talk.

As for the "...in Poland" section, I have doubts about its appropriateness. I first thought that you were going to repeat what someone else tried to do before and write a section on AL. I seemed to have convinced that guy that while AL was indeed largely Soviet controlled, it was still not a Soviet partisan unit.

However, what you write, is a different matter. You are writing about the territories detached from Poland and attached to Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania before the war. As such, this material belongs to the existing sections, I think. I mean that Soviet partisans in WWII in the territories of the former Second Polish Republic might be a legitimate article but as a section here, it simply doesn't fit IMO. What do you say? --Irpen 18:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you trying to fool me or yourself? Irpen, you're not trying to reach a compromise, you're trying your best to force the others to accept your views, which is a different matter. And a complete loss of time, if you asked me.

We've reached a compromise solution with Kuban Kazak and guess what? Irpen came and reverted to his preferred version. Which makes me think that using talk pages to reach a compromise makes no sense since there'd always be some Irpen to come and revert to what his POV tells him. I wasted enough time to prepare the articles you fix, I don't have enough time to waste on talking to a wall, as we say here in Poland. You have your views and apparently are dedicated to spreading them in wiki at all cost. So be it. You don't want to listen to arguments of other people - fine, do as you please. Want to change the articles to your liking - fine again. But be advised that it's a two-way road.

You've been complaining about Molobo's POV pushing, yet you become his mirror, just on the other side of the fence. He's using modern Polish sources which you find incredible - yet you're using either your own judgement (Volodarka) or some 19th century Russian prop (Orthodox church in Warsaw during the insurrection anyone?). It's your right to be hot-headed, but you don't have a right to assume my bad will or offend me the way you do. Want to continue your behaviour - feel free to. I will not offend you the way you did because in Poland it is believed that such behaviour tells more of the offending part and not of the offended person. However, if all wiki accepts your attitude, in no time all Russian-related articles will be vandalized the way you're vandalizing all articles you find related to Russia. You start adding Soviet propaganda - people will start adding Nazi one. For every liberation remark you add you will get a Soviet imperialism remark. This would be disruptive to the project and I believe that in the end all the people to adopt your ways would be banned, but the damage done to wikipedia would be serious. And it takes much more time to repair the image of Wikipedia once it starts reflect as radical views as yours.

Also, if you have a problem with international law not recognizing territorial changes through war then consult your MP and ask him to change it. Until then the Nazi-Soviet alliance and its outcome are not binding - at least not for anyone outside of USSR and Nazi Germany. The alternative is to call all sections according to the contemporary naming: Soviet partisans in General Government, Soviet Partisans in Reichskommissariat Ostland and so on. The territories I wrote about in the context of 1943 were detached from Poland in 1945 - and it was not before the war, but after it. Before the war those territories did not belong to the USSR. Check any contemporary map and you'll see. //Halibutt 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

hitchhiking wiki

Hi! I was googling for hitchhiking wikipedians and found you on the German Wikipedia. :) I'm looking for some more action on the Hitchhiker's Guide to Hitchhiking. I guess you might be interested... Guaka 15:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

User talk:217.25.31.2

This indeed seems to be a serious problem and I have to admit I don't see any way to solve it. All of those articles you mention seem to require very specific historical knowledge so it's hard to get an opinion from outside and a small group of users voting in a block and knowingly using unreliable sources can easily manipulate them to fit their political agenda. I'm afraid all I can offer here are are my sympathies and respect for the hard work you do here regardless of the circumstances. --217.25.31.2 08:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

RE:Okopy Świętej Trójcy

Halibutt, don't post disingenuous crap on my talk page. If you wanna vent your nationalism, go sing your national anthem and shed a tear or two at your flag and the glories of the Polish past - that way you won't bother busy people like me. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Notice of arbitration

Hi! I filled an arbitration request concerning the usage of "liberation" in WP articles. If you are interested in, please add your name to the list of the involved parties and type your statement.

Please inform everybody who could be interested in.--AndriyK 20:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Halibutt, I have to admit that I was caught by surprise by your commentary at the Mediation case. Is it your opinion that I have some personal grudge against you? If so, I would like to set your mind at ease, as I do not. I respect you as a fellow editor on Wikipedia, as someone who I agree with in some cases, and disagree with in others. I remember that I did refer to an archive at your userpage at one point, when asked for details of reasons that I felt uncomfortable on the Polish Wikipedian Noticeboard, but I did not mean that as a condemnation of you. If I gave you that impression, I do apologize for it. Overall, I have no problem in working on articles with you, I respect your opinion (even if I occasionally disagree with it), and I look forward to collaborating with you in future efforts. --Elonka 02:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Adding "liberation" to "Words to avoid"

I filled the proposal for Words to avoid. Please find it here. I would be thankfull for your commennts, suggestions and corrections.--AndriyK 15:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

RfC about Irpen's conduct

Hi! We filled a request for comment concerning the conduct of User:Irpen. Your comment is kindly invited.--AndriyK 16:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you take a look at articles regardging German Empire and Bismarck?

The usuall problem, I added references on policy towards Poles made by Bismarck and treatment of Poles in German Empire. Of course Scinurea arrived at once and deleted it as usually it is the case, seeing your impressive work that stopped Scinurea from messing up with Hakata and Kulturkampf articles, could you help in some time ? Especially since right now they are awfully biased. --Molobo 21:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Private - Invitation (Warsaw, 25.05.)

Witam, prywatne zaproszenie w ostatniej chwili niestety. :]

Tak się składa, ze prywatnie udzielam sie takze choralnie. :)
Chór Kameralny św. Cecylii - naście osób w wieku studenckim i postudenckim pod dyrekcją Marty Jakubiec - bedzie dawać drobny koncert XX-wiecznej muzyki sakralnej, z Polski i szeroko pojętych okolic. :)

Chór będzie śpiewał 25tego 06. (niedziela) podczas mszy łacińskiej w kościele św. Benona (tak tak :) ) koło Rynku Nowego Miasta - ul. Piesza 1, mały biały kościół ok. 30 m od Wisły. Msza łacińska o 13.30, ok. 14.30 po mszy dajemy koncert. Nie będzie on niestety długi, więc nie warto się spóźniać. :)

Za to utwory są niesztampowe i powinny się podobać, a i pogoda zapowiada się ładna, można więc będzie zrobić sobie udany spacer po. :) Wiem, ze amatorow takiej muzyki nie ma wielu - a szkoda, bo zdarzaja sie perelki. :)

Nieobecność rozumiem :), niemniej serdecznie zapraszam. :]

aegis maelstrom δ 19:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Taki spamming informacyjny uprawiam w sumie po raz pierwszy :) więc każdy feedback (zwłaszcza negatywny :]) będzie cenny.

Miło wiedzieć, że kogoś interesują takie rzeczy. :) I przepraszam, że tak późno - obecnie mam wikiurlop, garstkę czasu na poskładanie wielu spraw.

Pozdrowienia, aegis maelstrom δ 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 25, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Book of Henryków, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Very interesting article! --BRIAN0918 20:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Central Lithuania

Don't you see, Halibutt, that aside from political controversy of these topics, the names of these two articles are nonsensical. Central Lithuania nowdays is somewhere around Kėdainiai town and area. The creators of Litwa Srodkowa were probably dreaming about restoring Grand Duchy of Lithuania which would be once more part of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (quite imperialistic desires, IHMO, if they thought this is the center, then the whole country had to spread from sea to other sea) The area of Litwa Srodkowa now includes South East part of Republic of Lithuania and Western part of People Republic of Belarus. You get people lost in time and space with these kind of names. Rename the article to "Republic of Litwa Srodkowa", and even most nationalist Lithuanians will have little to object to. Why do you translate the name of this republic to English? If translated to English, it should be written in quotes "Central Lithuania". For example if we translate Lithuania in English, it will be "Rain Country", "Country of Pouring water", and without quotes it has no sense.

Name of the article Ethnic composition of Central Lithuania is even a bigger nonsense. Ethnic composition of Kėdainiai district is quite different from presented in your article. I don't have the statistical data now at my hand, but I suppose it must be ~90% Lithuanian. There is nothing wrong with having several censuses in one article, but, if you include censuses that were performed after "Central Lithuania" ceased to exist, you cannot call it "of Central Lithuania". I suggest to call the article "Censuses in Vilnius area". "Ethnic composition" counting during times of represions and wars was inacurate, since people were afraid for their life and safety if they choose the "wrong" ethnicity. There is an excerpt from a book "History of Lithuania" by Lithuanian historian Zigmantas Kiaupa:"On January 8, 1922 elections were held under occupation conditions to the "Central Lithuanian" Sejm and officially 60 percent of voters took part. The elections were boycotted by Lithuanians, Jews and some Belorussians and a certain percentage had doubts over whether they should vote." Juraune 10:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Marienkirche

Which convention requires this church to be given an English name? Adam 16:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Because I want to know. Why is Notre Dame de Paris not at Our Lady of Paris? Why is Basilica of the Sacré Cœur not at Basilica of the Sacred Heart? Why is Berliner Dom not at Berlin Cathedral? Adam 17:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 26, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Antoni Heda, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 19:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:tag-tagging

I would agree. The standard way to deal with such issues is to recommend the te,plate for deletion at WP:TFD with the same reasoning as you used on my talk page, and see what others think about it.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article creation on DYK

On June 29, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1st Lithuanian-Belarusian Infantry Division, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Kimchi.sg 04:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Lublin

I thought Dr. Dan admitted that his introduction of the Lithuanian name for Lublin some months ago was a WP:Point edit. Please don't put it back in, as there are no reasonable grounds for its inclusion. The Union of Lublin was important for Lithuania, but this is not a good enough reason to give a Lithuanian name for Lublin in the lead. Similarly, even though the Munich Agreement was quite important for Czechoslovakia, I do not see the Czech name for Munich in the lead of that article. Balcer 08:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I can only suggest that you only make edits you yourself believe in and support, and avoid making edits "by request" from others. If someone feels strongly about making some change, they can just do it themselves and then justify it. Balcer 08:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Balcer, to be clear. My introduction of the Lithuanian name for Lublin was not a WP:Point edit. After being told, over and over, it was important to educate and inform the English speaking readers of the Polish versions of Lithuanian cities' names, that these readers should have the same reverse opportunities. It seemed logical and fair, at least at the time. So yes, there may have been some comingling of proving a point, but that was not my exclusive reason. During the PLC, Cracow and Lublin, had special significance to Lithuanian history, as the first capital, and the city where the Union of Lublin took place.

And Halibutt, thanks for having the courtesy to make the addition. I think my addition of it, lasted a day or two. Yours, about 5 minutes. Got Wilno? Dr. Dan 15:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr. Dan. I made the revert in 5 minutes by sheer coincidence, as Halibutt made the change just before my morning Wikipedia watchlist check, which has become part of my daily routine. Don't make too much out of it.

Anyway, I reacted strongly because I recall very clearly we have reached a good agreement over the issue of Lithuanian name of Lublin, and you agreed with me that it should not be given. I am quite suprised that you are still arguing over this point. Balcer 17:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually Balcer, I am not still arguing about this point. And "our good agreement" seemed to be lasting with most of the editors in English WK. Halibutt tends to be the exception.(see Konstantinas Sirvydas article and talk). That article is not the only occaision, either. Usually it's done, wrapped up in an enigmatic, pseudo-intellectual, blather about "historical" usuage, and some further nonsense that Lithuanian geographical names were invented in 1918. The 5 minute coincidence, worked out nicely, just "the luck of the draw". I'm sure it wouldn't have been left in much longer in any case. BTW, I got an email asking me what "Got Wilno?" meant. Just a humorous parody of the American advertising slogan, "Got Milk?". Dr. Dan 17:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification over Lublin. As for your dispute with Halibutt, I must say that for me the proper naming of the city located at coordinates 54°41′N 25°17′E is a problem that is simply unresolvable within the framework of Wikipedia. So, I am not going to get involved in your dispute with Halibutt over that issue. Balcer 18:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Great! I got a good laugh from you using the coordinates 54 41'N 25 degrees 17'E. That might be the only way to call it! Dr. Dan 18:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hallo

Hello! I made Michal Boym and Hans Boner, Brod (onomastics), Zuelz, etc. Can you expand the articles, or translate the onomastics articles?

by Szejnhertz, 04:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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Polish football team kit

The meaning with the kit template is not to give the exact look of the kit down to manufacturer, club/FA badge, and barely visible relief (or what it would be called), but to give a correct but not very advanced info on how the kit looks "from the stands". The hussar may be nice as a picture of its own, but even if you intended to add arms, the feeling I get is still that it becomes a mishmash of details hard to really understand, "is the dress light grey or just dirty white?", "what's that tiny red spot on the shoulder?", "is there some kind of pattern in the grey?", and so on. I hope you understand what I mean and that I haven't upset you, but I still hope that you would refrain from re-adding it (maybe instead add only a single kit somewhere else in the article, see for example Arsenal F.C.). Best regards – Elisson • Talk 00:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess I upset you a little after all... WP:CIV still applies even if I reverted your two hours of work. And as said, you are still welcome to add the hussar kit as a standalone. My removal of the kit on the template page has an even simpler reason than the above, and that is because that page is a guide for others to see what kits they can use for teams, but the hussar kit is so specific that it would be useful for no other team except the Polish. – Elisson • Talk 11:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

You can still add the hussar kit as a standalone similar to the original Arsenal kit seen some a bit down on Arsenal F.C., which might be a nice thing, and that'll keep your work in the article even when the national team changes kits again (which most teams seem to do like every year or so...) Anyway, I don't think there should be any detail added to the kit, take a look at how FIFA has represented it on this drawing, the only red details are sponsors, numbers, badge, a thin red cuff, and some red inside the shirt. Also take a look at for example this or this photo and you might agree with me that the shirt of the kit is actually best represented as plain white, no matter how boring that may be. ;) – Elisson • Talk 12:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Try it out. :) I am not sure about the note though, as technically, the infobox kit is still correct, but just a simpler, more stylistic, variant. I think just a caption under the standalone saying that it is the WC 2006 kit with full detail added, or something, will do. – Elisson • Talk 12:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Catholic Insight

Halibutt,

Catholic Insight should really be removed as it states, incorrectly that Virchow was Jewish. In fact he was Protestant (I think Lutheran). The whole thrust of the Catholic Insight article is on a Jewish war against Catholicism and how among other things Judaism was responsible for events such as the Kulturkampf. I think Catholic Insight is a good guide for what some sedevacanctists believe, but not for this. That's why I'd prefer only one quote.

JASpencer 13:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh and mea culpa on not using the citation engine. JASpencer 13:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Michał Boym, was selected for DYK!

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Templates for deletion

As you nominated Template:POV-because for deletion, you might also be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 June 29#Template:Disputeabout. I think they should both be deleted for pretty much the same reasons. — Jul. 4, '06 [10:52] <freak|talk>

Viktor Suvorov and historical myths

Appearantly, we're not the only ones:D:

Most established historians argue that in such a situation Stalin had no alternative but to enter into a pact with Hitler instead. By way of example, A. J. P. Taylor (1906-90), the well-known English Professor of History, wrote: "It is difficult to see what other course Soviet Russia could have followed." He thinks the Ribbentrop-Pact was in the last resort anti-German: "It limited the German advance eastwards in case of war." Apparently Taylor thinks that the Germans would have taken Moscow if not the Pact had limited their penetration. The actual result of the Pact was, however, that Poland ceased to function as buffer in case of a German assault. A professorial chair at Oxford seems to be tantamount to a license to write sheer rubbish.

and

It granted that "if Soviet Russia had eventually to fight Hitler, the Western Powers would already be involved." Here Carr conveniently disregards the fact that both treaty parties were notorious breakers of treaties. None of them attached any importance to signatures on a piece of paper. Carr himself knew that the Pact did not prevent Hitler from attacking the Soviet Union in June 1941. How could the same Pact have prevented Hitler from attacking, let us say, in October 1939 as a direct continuation of the Poland campaign? The fact that he did not was of course due to quite other motives than any respect for a given word. in The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact provoked the outbreak of WW II. New evidence indicates Stalin as the architect of the Pact By Carl O. Nordling ([4]). --Constanz - Talk 09:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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