User talk:Josette

I guess what I thought was a helpful edit, others found to be unhelpful, so I removed it.

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Thank you!

Thank you for finding an image of Edward Coote Pinkney! I had tried but gave up pretty quickly. I actually had intended to get a shot of his grave in Baltimore but I made it to the cemetery 10 minutes after they closed... maybe next time! Thanks again. --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Too bad about the missed opportunity! I didn't like to see your article without an image so I was diligent in my search. - Epousesquecido (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply to you

This is what DHMO wrote:

If this isn't enough, in the request for arbitration, Swatjester suggested that the_undertow should be sanctioned - should be desysopped - for being a White pride-ist. This is distinct from a White supremacist, which is a racist term (according to our articles on the two terms)...but that didn't stop Swatjester. When this was later raised by LaraLove at AN, he responded by ranting about her being another white pride-ist who had just lost her "e-boyfriend"...apparantly, this made her incapable of forming a sane opinion.

He naively states that White Pride is distinct from White Supremacist, which he does admit to being a racist term. What he fails to do, because his education apparently is limited to Wikipedia rather than more reliable sources (Wikipedia should never be a source for itself), is understand that White Pride is exactly the same as White Supremacy. And if you read my writings carefully, I state that he is either a racist himself by promoting such a silly POV, or he is so immature and naive that he has in fact enabling racism. In either case, he provides succor to anti-semites and racists by such a belief. You may not agree, and I'm fine with that. Swatjester, who agrees on few things with me, and in fact has battled me in many locations, happens to also agree with this assessment of White Pride, aka Stormfront.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, I appreciate your passion on this subject. I too feel just as strongly as you that White Pride is the same as White Supremacy. I agree with you that these terms provide succor to anti-semites and racists! Although Giggy made this statement; that the terms were "distinct" "according to our (Wikipedia) articles on the two terms", I don't see how you can conclude that he is a racist. I think we need to be careful about labeling someone, especially someone young and impressionable. - Epousesquecido (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Words matter. He explicitly states that White Pride is not racist. Again, either he is young, impressionable and somewhat deluded, or it's worse. In either case, he should not be an admin. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 03:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Not convinced...it's an error of omission not commission, in that it is not that he said that the term White Pride was not racist, it is that he did not say that it is. Maybe they don't use the term "White Pride" in Australia, or maybe it means something else. It's a big world out there, lets not be so provincial that we assume we all use the same terminology. I think we should give the kid a break and assume he has learned a valuable lesson, he now knows the two terms mean the same thing, and we will all be watching him to make sure he doesn't make mistakes like this in the future - Epousesquecido (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi Epousesquecido, I had a lood through your recent contributions, and I noticed that you occasionally revert vandalism. Would you like me to grant your account rollback rights to help make reverting vandalism easier for you? Acalamari 22:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

How nice of you to offer, I do have a few articles that I watch that seem to be vandalized quite often, so my answer would be yes, please. Thank you very much. - Epousesquecido (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Rollback granted. :) Just remember that it's only for reverting vandalism/blatant spam, and should not be used to revert good-faith edits or to revert-war. For practice, you may wish to see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 01:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again! - Epousesquecido (talk) 01:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Acalamari 01:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on another GA

Ellet made GA. Very nice. I better get busy or pretty soon you are gonna have more GAs than me! :) ++Lar: t/c 21:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

And another congrats from me. Though I give you the majority of the credit, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind my adding Ellet to my user page under my list of significant edits and in the userbox for contributions to Good Articles? I don't want to steal your thunder as nominator and as the major contributor. --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely! Please add her to your list. - Epousesquecido (talk) 17:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Bellissima!

Bellissima, thank you for all your kind words and thoughts. Ti ho sognata, grazie di tutto. Giano (talk) 22:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. - Epousesquecido (talk) 02:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Recognition

		The Literary Barnstar
		For working on some very interesting articles on relatively obscure writers (especially women) and their writings, for always being able to lend a hand or offer an opinion, and for always seeming to show up at the right time with an image for an article I'm working on, I award you this (long overdue) barnstar. I hope to continue our collaborations! --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, my dear! Very well deserved I must say. You have quite the knack for finding cool and relevant images, adding them to Commons in a very workmanlike fashion, and then using them to great effect in articles. But when are you going to get some of your ladies to FA where they belong? :) ++Lar: t/c 14:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Epes Sargent (poet) , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 04:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Josephine Clifton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) I've been busy trying to author an article or two myself for DYK over the last day or two, so I haven't been around as much. But I saw the update was overdue an hour or so ago and thought I'd better put my oar in again, DYK has looked a bit rushed for the last couple of days. Gatoclass (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible help request

Hello, E! I'm not sure if either of these two women would interest you, but I might be looking for a collaborator on either Harriet Ann Jacobs or Fanny Fern. Do either of them strike your fancy for your next good article? --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, either one. My computer went kaput so I have been feeling kind of lost. I just got all my files and bookmarks moved to a different laptop. I will start looking for stuff on both and you let me know if you need anything specific... - Epousesquecido (talk) 23:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

E, I just don't know if I'm going to be able to significantly delve in this article just yet. I'm going to try to pull for Margaret Fuller to become featured and I'm also working on James Russell Lowell. Maybe some other time...! --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, do what you think is best. Good luck with Margaret. (I think it is great already!) - Epousesquecido (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK question

Yes, it's fine. I'm sorry about the delay in verifying it. (I was away from my computer for most of the last two days...) Regards. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

dyk

On 24 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Clara Fisher, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- main slot! well doneVictuallers (talk) 11:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Your friends...

...are alcoholic beverages?! Bad Girl! LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I shouldn't type when I'm tipsy. - Epousesquecido (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca Sophia Clarke

Just curious about why you removed the date linking at the top of the article? Daytrivia (talk) 00:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your question. Honestly, I didn't even realize I had changed the dates when I rewrote the article. But since you mention it, date linking is generally not done much anymore. Please see the manual of style, in particular the date section. Feel free to change it back if you prefer. - Epousesquecido (talk) 01:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. Indeed, I have noticed some users are not using the date autoformatting. There have been some disadvantages noted (can't remember where I followed the discussion) but as yet I have not been convinced the disadvantages are strong enough. For me trying to find all of the ingredients of autoformatting link is a catalyst for continued research and at times being rewarded with a treasure of information found serendipitously while searching for the date info. Primarily, however, I have found, as a librarian, that children's homework generally initiates from wikipedia and the autoformatting element enables them to readily access a timeline, etc. Daytrivia (talk) 02:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You might want to take that argument to the manual of style talk page. But either way, I will respect your choice to link the date or not. - Epousesquecido (talk) 02:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and I have stated my position at [1] Thanks much. Daytrivia (talk) 14:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just wanted to say thanks for weighing in on the wikiquette issue. It was very much appreciated and you don't even really know me or anything! Thanks and a barnstar! Montanabw^(talk) 03:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Taking the time to provide kind words in support of a total stranger! Montanabw(talk) 03:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You may find this interesting

I see you have some interest in 19th century women writers. You also like horses. You may want to see if you can add to Lady Anne Blunt. If you haven't heard of her, I find her fascinating. If you have, well, horses and 19th century women with a taste for travel, writing and adventure were truly amazing people, weren't they?? Montanabw^(talk) 04:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Another gift! I hadn't heard of her and I am sure I will find her interesting. I love to read about the remarkable women from our past. Maybe I can find something to add or it might help me find someone similar to write about. - Epousesquecido (talk) 05:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The article isn't too long. She was married to Wilfrid Scawen Blunt, was a granddaughter of Lord Byron, the co-founder of the Crabbet Arabian Stud and one of the first European women to ever explore the Middle East, primarily in search for Arabian horses. I worked on the article about her a fair bit, but always more to add. Her daughter, the formidable Lady Wentworth, wrote about her life in her book The Authentic Arabian Horse, and another author recently released a biography about her, which I haven't read yet, the reviews say it is accurate but very dull writing. Montanabw^(talk) 05:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

While looking I will try to source some of the unsourced content and try to find out more about her Sheykh Obeyd estate. - Epousesquecido (talk) 05:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Most of the stuff I have is from horse books and Lady Wentworth's writing. If there are other sources that expand on the region, that would be terrific! Have fun! Montanabw^(talk) 05:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Benjamin T. Babbitt

On 17 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Benjamin T. Babbitt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 03:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Stopping by to say thanks

		The Barnstar of Awesomeness
		Just stopping by to say how much your Wiki work is appreciated. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Uncomfortable chairs

[2] very witty! I hope things are not too smelly at the moment. Giano (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Not at the moment. - Epousesquecido (talk) 21:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Votes for Ladies (in particular me)

I know women's suffrage is a cause close to your remarkable heart, could I beseach you to comment here, where Ms Dunin is attempting to murder poor Miss Reighly, a heroine of the USA. Catherine de Burgh (Lady) (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

My Dear Lady Catherine, you certainly know how to cause a stir! - Epousesquecido (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, where would we whiny women be without the drama ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You meant there's drama outside the horse articles? LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 01:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Mary had a little lamb?

Epousesquecido -- Thank you for your comments at Sarah Josepha Hale. In that context, my question wasn't merely rhetorical -- I really didn't understand the reasons why the addition of the poem was unhelpful; and now I'm better informed about why it can be construed as a distraction. I simply didn't see it; and my uncertainty in terms of Mary had a little lamb was informed by poetry excerpts I'd incorporated in a number of articles, e.g.,

• Emperor Temmu#Events of Temmu's life (c. 631-686); Man'yōshū#Poetry excerpt
• Empress Jitō#Events of Jito's life (645–702); Hyakunin Isshu#Poetry excerpt
• Yukio Ozaki#Career of public service (1858–1954)
• Nisei#Education
• Sansei#Internment and redress; Lawson Fusao Inada (1938- )

Context matters, of course. Does the persuasive reasoning applied in the Hale article extend to subjects with an arguably different cultural context? I'd be interested in your assessment of poetry appearing in articles which might otherwise escape your close scrutiny. In my view, these illustrative excerpts do enhance the subject; but perhaps your point-of-view will be different? --Tenmei (talk) 17:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

That was nice

Hi E, that was really nice of you to weigh in without even being asked. Very kind and much appreciated. You are a wonderful human being! Montanabw^(talk) 07:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

A mission from God?

You may not want to even put your nose into this hornet's nest, but a third or fourth or fifth set of outside eyes at Horses in warfare in light of the impasses described at Talk:Horses_in_warfare#Cleaning_up_the_discussion would be helpful. Call it an informal peer review, we've already had two formal ones...sigh. If you don't, that's OK too, just looking for some people who haven't already read the thing 15 times and are bleary-eyed. We want to get it to FA. Some day. I've only been editing at it for 2-1/2 years, practically my whole wiki-career. Montanabw^(talk) 04:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll be happy to take a look. - Epousesquecido (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; our paths have crossed many times and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which!

Wishing you and yours a joyous holiday season, and happiness, health and hopefulness in 2009. I trust you'll enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of Baby, it's Cold Outside, for your holiday amusement.
Best, Risker (talk) 02:50, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Espousesquecido, it was most kind of you to post that nice barnstar to me; it meant a lot to me. I wish you and yours a happy, healthy and joyous New Year. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

SUL

This edit serves as confirmation that I am requesting usurpation of "Josette" on several wikis, including: en.wikipedia.org, es.wikipedia.org, fr.wikipedia.org, ja.wikipedia.org, nl.wikipedia.org, pl.wikipedia.org, and zh.wikipedia.org. In most cases (except nl and pl) the account has no contributions. I have already gotten renamed on Commons (see completed request: [3]) and Meta (see completed request: [4]) , and as renames happen I will connect them to Josette which is an SUL account (as is this one, disconnection to rename is OK). If by chance Josette inadvertantly has contributions which are clearly me (during transition it's tricky to make sure you are logged in as the right user) please usurp, those contributions are not important. Epousesquecido (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Josette! I usurped ja:User:Josette for you. Thanks for waiting. --Kanjy (talk) 10:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

horses in warfare

I'll be working on it. Wandalstouring (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Josette's Day!

User:Josette has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Josette's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Josette! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Well deserved. You're the awesome-est Wikipedian I know, about time everyone else knew too. ++Lar: t/c 02:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

American Warmblood Equine template

One down, 300 to go... Montanabw^(talk) 07:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

This ↑ made me laugh out loud! I suggest a nice crystal tumbler half full of some good Johnnie Walker (maybe green label) or Maker's Mark (a little cheaper), usually does the trick for me. If that doesn't strike your fancy, what about a couple of shots of Patron? :) - Josette (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Smirnoffs. Straight up. Or maybe some other stuff I've heard about: Everclear. Oblivion sounds really good right now. Montanabw^(talk) 03:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Abbati

Kudos on a terrific image for Giuseppe Abbati. It even shows his eventual assassin beside him (assuming it's the same dog)--Nice find! Ewulp (talk) 01:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, (not sure if it is the same dog) I liked the image because it showed the patch over his right eye. The name of his dog was Cennino? - Josette (talk) 03:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd missed that, apparently the name was Cennino. According to Broude, the dog was selected and purchased for Abbati by Diego Martelli, who felt awful about what happened and later wrote an account of his friend's death. It may be hard to prove that the dog seen in the Boldini painting is Cennino, but it's an unsettling portent either way. Ewulp (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, tragic. Thanks for letting me know, it's very interesting. - Josette (talk) 07:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Tarpan

No, the requested move is still pending, and I would like to move it still to Tarpan. When that time frame runs out, I am quite sure a uninvolved admin will undertake that action, it is not my place to do so. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 13:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me

I noticed you un-bolded Women in rodeo in the first sentence of its article. I understand bolding the topic in the opening sentence is more or less policy. Maybe I missed something? I'm going to return it to its bolded state until I have information otherwise. Buttermilk1950 (talk) 02:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine with me. - Josette (talk) 02:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me 2

Why do you think "Commentaries" in Rodeo in the United States is better suited to the animal treatment in rodeo article? I don't follow your thinking. Could we Talk? Articles are under construction and tagged with neutrality issues so moving whole sections from one article to another ... well, it probably won't help matters. Your husband Lar has been actively involved behind the scenes on these articles. Our thoughts are with him. Buttermilk1950 (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. - Josette (talk) 04:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me 3

Oh, I get it. Your playing some sort of "payback" game. Tit for tat. That's not civil. What we are trying to do is cite material in the Rodeo article per WP policy. Most of the rodeo article appears to be someone's OR and POV. I'm working to improve the article and WP in the process. Are you? Or are you getting all "pointy" and playing the payback game? Your behavior is disruptive. Is your husband using your account? Buttermilk1950 (talk) 04:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Put yourself in my place. I have been working with others for some time on Rodeo related articles. All of a sudden, you show up, remove a whole section from an article and send it elsewhere. In your opinion, it belongs elsewhere; in my opinion it belongs right where it is. My time should be spent making progress on the article not investigating your disruptive editorializations. As you are new to the articles, please take your concerns to the Talk Page before being "bold" and removing whole sections. Removing whole sections is something for all involved to consider. Is your husband using your account? Thank you. Buttermilk1950 (talk) 04:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

In my years of editing on WP (since 2006), no one has ever spoken to me in the tone you have chosen to use. My good faith edits to these articles and to you have been appropriate, civil and beneficial to the encyclopedia. I am sorry if you can not see that. - Josette (talk) 04:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering if this is your SOP, ie, descending on an article, removing whole sections, moving those sections elsewhere on WP, reverting titles because IYO "it's a better title"? Try to imagine what sort of place WP would be if we all engaged in such disruptive behavior. Such behavior makes it very difficult to make progress on an article because it means others must use precious time investigating your editorializations. You're more than welcome to contribute but you're a newcomer to the articles. Don't you think that it might be better to go to the Talk page first and let the community come to a consensus on your concerns? Is your husband using your account? Buttermilk1950 (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

YO! Buttermilk, I've not looked at the articles in question, but I've seen this and the bit on your talk page. You are out of line. Let me offer you a few acronyms; WP:AGF, WP:OWN. We have lots more, too, and you'll need to become familiar with them PDQ. Jack Merridew 14:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Buttermilk, in my time on Wikipedia (5+ years) I have seen some vicious attacks, I have made some of them myself, but I think you are probably making one of the lowliest ugliest attacks I have seen. What do you want? Lar to come to his wife's defence? Josette to dissolve into tears? For all I know, both may happen - both would be excruciatingly embarrassing to witness - as, I suspect, you are well aware! I have not even bothered to look at the edits you are so bothered about, your comments made that unnecessary. So here is some advice from a very experienced editor, who is not her husband, lover or even an sighing admirer: Grow up and shut the fuck up! Is that clear enough for you? Giano (talk) 20:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I've read the above and must say I agree with Giano and Jack rather strongly. Buttermilk, I strongly urge you to stop the personal attacks, Wikipedia takes personal attacks very seriously because of the environment required for collaborative editing. If I see comments like this again, it is highly likely I will block you, so this is the only warning you will receive. MBisanz ^talk 05:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

To Josette

Hello. I have recently been warned about personal attacks and the possibility of being blocked. Before that happens, I would like to make my peace with you. I am so sorry about writing to you in a way that libelled your good name as an editor here at WP. I hope you can forgive me. All along I have encouraged others to contribute to the Rodeo articles and when you did I snapped out. I am so sorry. I'm 16 and this is my first real experience with WP outside the classroom. Anyway ... I am so sorry and hope you can forgive me. Sincerely, Buttermilk1950 (talk) 10:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Ealdgyth working hard

Ealdgyth was spending time in the real world and in the process found some assorted research links that will pass muster in terms of WP:V and such for the articles we were looking at. Check out my talk page here if you think they will work for any of the assorted articles, feel free to toss in stuff as you see fit! I'm pretty much avoiding the animal treatment article altogether, by the way. Montanabw^(talk) 23:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey...

Can you take a look at Talk:Phar Lap? Cuddy asked for help on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing and I was struck by some familiar feelings about the editor's style that reminded me of some things from the Rodeo flap earlier. You were much more involved than I was though, what do you think? Ealdgyth - Talk 22:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. What I know about Phar Lap can be summed up in "He was a thoroughbred racehorse from around Australia." (grins). Beyond that... he was a gelding, so I never really researched him. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

About Phar Lap, do you not think that "Australia's Wonder Horse" is POV, considering the horse was born in New Zealand. Did you know the horse was American owned?. I think breeding is also important in the US too. If a horse is bred in, say Argentina, everyone knows it. Wallie (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Wallie, I do feel it is important to note where the horse was born. I do know an American purchased the horse as a yearling. All that is noted in the article. The horse's entire racing career, which is the most notable part of his life, was in Australia except for his last race which was in Mexico. His death, also very notable, was in the US. This horse was considered "Australian" (because of his racing career) by much of the world at the time. We can't change history. Here is the New York Times headline from April 6, 1932, at the time of his death "Phar Lap, Great Australian Race Horse, Dies in West After First American Triumph; PHAR LAP IS DEAD; NOTED RACE HORSE". I am not sure why there is a problem, I think it is all just part of his biography. - Josette (talk) 13:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Kind of like Mel Gibson. Born in America, back in America, but famous in Australia. (However, in his case, not a Gelding...) LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 23:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it goes back to the culture of the two countries. Shall we say that Australians are better at marketing themselves (to put it in a nice way). Yes. We can change history. We know the facts. The New York Times didn't. They were told what to write. Wallie (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The New York Times is considered a reliable source, we are not. - Josette (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with the Phar Lap article. It is probably the most contentious I have worked on. There is more concensus on articles such as Joan of Arc, Napoleon and World War 2. Possibly Paris Hilton is as bad. I might ask for your help there. :) Wallie (talk) 18:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Advice needed

Hi. I deleted a message on my talk page. Another user who had nothing to do it reverted me and put the message back. He said that I am not allowed to remove someone's comments without their premission. Is this really correct? If I passed you a message, I would not be surprised if you deleted it. Wallie (talk) 07:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your advice. I want to do what is right. However, if someone is criticizing you, it is not very nice. It also gives those who you have current disagreements with (usually unrelated) ammunition. As far as I can see, a talk page is there to pass messages. The guidelines say that you can remove them. I do try to get people to justify why they are defending their position, which I think is incorrect. This makes some upset. When the issue is resolved, I then remove the correspondence as it is often misleading. Wallie (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Ernest the Sheep

Hi Josette,

With the on going issues with User:Ernest the Sheep in the Phar Lap article I think we may need looking at taken this futher (To the Admin noticeboard) and maybe look at a topic ban or even have a revert limit placed on them. Seems to me that the blocks haven't worked. Bidgee (talk) 23:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Words like "issues", "ban", "admin". "noticeboard", "blocks" and "limit" are not very helpful. Wikipedia is supposed to be a friendly enviroment. We all know Ernest's modus operandi, and he is just one of the "characters" involved - some think I am not perfect either. Some of his ideas are OK. Phar Lap is becoming (was always?) an Australia vs NZ thing, with big voices on both sides. Ernest just needs to learn to "hang tough" within the rules. :) Wallie (talk) 13:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Update Sorry, Bidgee. I should never have doubted your logic. I take back everything I said in reply to you. You were correct. Thanks. :)Wallie (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Geez Wallie, that's a bit much coming from you. Weren't you banned for incivility only a couple of months ago? Although the evidence of this unfortunate occurrence appears to have disappeared from your talk page. I wonder why that is? Ernest the Sheep (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ernest. You should not attack those who are trying to defend you. Your above effort is actually quite nasty, like McCarthyism, which I hate. Wallie (talk) 07:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Pull the other one Wallie. Who do you think you're kidding? A lot of people are well aware of your own modus operandi, so spare me the patronising claptrap. Learn to "hang tough"?? At least when I get a ban I cop it sweet. I don't whine and bleat about it like some do, eh Wallie? Ernest the Sheep (talk) 10:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I think what you have just said is offensive. Wallie (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Now, now boys. (I must admit I find it extremely humorous that Ernest the Sheep used the word "bleat". :) - Josette (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't find it funny at all. Wallie (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh Wallie, no one is laughing at your expense. You guys should meet and have a beer. (assuming you're both old enough) - Josette (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

OK. I know you mean well. :) Wallie (talk) 17:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Wallie, I am sorry you found what I said offensive, but do you not think I might have been offended by what you said? If that is what you call defending me, then I would much prefer it if you didn't. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I was definitely not trying to offend you. Quite the opposite. I was surprised when you attacked me, when I was just trying to defend you. I made it plain that I don't like bans. In actual fact I find that quite a few admins abuse their power, are childish and ban people sometimes "just for the hell of it". Wallie (talk) 11:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Can you guys take this spat somewhere other than poor Josette's talk page, unless you want her to put you both in "time out" or something? (smiling and applying noogies) Montanabw^(talk) 16:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Or something? Hmmm... - Josette (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

OK. Good advice. I will keep any of my spat related stuff away from this... hallowed ground? :) Wallie (talk) 09:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Solution found again!

Well done. You have come up with trumps again! Is there no stopping you? I guess the article is looking OK now, and Ernest should be happy with your references. They support the NZ side. There are plenty of other references available for the Australian fans also. Now we can create a NPOV version. Wallie (talk) 19:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

See, if EVERYONE just listened to Josette, there would be world peace! Montanabw^(talk) 05:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Wallie, could you please stop greasing up to Josette. It's embarrassing. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 05:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not Wallie, and Josette is my friend, Ernest. And you also should worship her for her innate coolness and willingness to put up with the both of you! :-) Montanabw^(talk) 06:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

ThankSpam

My RfA Thank you for participating in my "RecFA", which passed with a final tally of 153/39/22. There were issues raised regarding my adminship that I intend to cogitate upon, but I am grateful for the very many supportive comments I received and for the efforts of certain editors (Ceoil, Noroton and Lar especially) in responding to some issues. I wish to note how humbled I was when I read Buster7's support comment, although a fair majority gave me great pleasure. I would also note those whose opposes or neutral were based in process concerns and who otherwise commented kindly in regard to my record. I recognise that the process itself was unusual, and the format was generally considered questionable - and I accept that I was mistaken in my perception of how it would be received - but I am particularly grateful for those whose opposes and neutrals were based in perceptions of how I was not performing to the standards expected of an administrator. As much as the support I received, those comments are hopefully going to allow me to be a better contributor to the project. Thank you. Very much. LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC) ~~~~~

Well, back to the office it is...

Terima kasih

Saw that ^{(other, too;)} — and I commented to him back on his page, where it belongs. We’ll see where that goes. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Sama-sama, just trying to watch your back. and ready to confront "little shit" behavior ;) - Josette (talk) 16:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

little shite like this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)