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I think I should mention that [[User_talk:Iaritmioawp#Plowback_retained_earnings|I had a short dialogue with the creator of this redirect]] that you may want to read to better inform your judgment before commenting. [[User:Iaritmioawp|Iaritmioawp]] ([[User talk:Iaritmioawp|talk]]) 09:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I think I should mention that [[User_talk:Iaritmioawp#Plowback_retained_earnings|I had a short dialogue with the creator of this redirect]] that you may want to read to better inform your judgment before commenting. [[User:Iaritmioawp|Iaritmioawp]] ([[User talk:Iaritmioawp|talk]]) 09:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - they're not ''exactly'' the same thing, more like [[Refrigerator refrigeration]], but close enough that we would never have two separate articles (and we don't; [[plowback]] redirects to [[retained earnings]]) but it seems unlikely someone would type both into the search box. If they did, they'd find what they're looking for anyway. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 19:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - they're not ''exactly'' the same thing, more like [[Refrigerator refrigeration]], but close enough that we would never have two separate articles (and we don't; [[plowback]] redirects to [[retained earnings]]) but it seems unlikely someone would type both into the search box. If they did, they'd find what they're looking for anyway. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 19:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per [[User:WilyD|WilyD]]'s comment on the nominator's talk page; it may be implausible, but that doesn't meant that it's not ''useful''. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 14:56, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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October 18

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 18, 2014.

Jalan Asahan

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name of some randon, non-notable road which is nowhere near the target, see [1] - TheChampionMan1234 23:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is the road being referred to. I don't know how notable it is, but a stub formerly existed, and it's signed as M125 (a state highway?). This is probably enough to restore the article and bring it to AFD. --NE2 01:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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St. Mary's School, Kuching

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is linked at St. Mary's School, so its better to be a redlink. - TheChampionMan1234 23:00, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Champ. Not at target. There are no other internal links (except for those relating to this discussion), so I wonder why it was created in the first place. It was turned from an (extremely short ) stub, with a comment for padding to avoid listing at short pages, with this edit, citing non-notablity per WP:SCHOOL; it should probably have been deleted instead, but wasn't.
I'm not a great fan of redlinks as headwords in DABs, though, and am inclined to delete its entry altogether (nothing to DAB). I'll try to have a look with DABsolver at fixing some other links to that DAB. Si Trew (talk) 09:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Kuching North

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The result of the discussion was </noinclude>retarget to Kuching#Local authority and city definition (non-admin closure). The arguments accompanying the "keep" !votes are actually in favour of NE2's retarget argument, unless I have interpreted incorrectly, in which case please revert. Ivanvector (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)<includeonly>[reply]

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No plausible target can be found. - TheChampionMan1234 22:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose and possibly change to point at Kuching#Local authority and city definition, which explains these two phrases. --NE2 01:40, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per NE2, the nomination is wrong, it already has the plausible target targetted. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 21:26, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, refined as an R to section per NE2. Si Trew (talk) 09:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - discussed at target. No argument has been presented for deletion. WilyD 09:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Gate Panic! (video game)

The user Natsume96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has added the following to the list of platforms in Popeye (video game):

Sega Master System (unofficial, known as "Gate Panic! (ゲート·パニック！))

However, there are no reliable sources that confirm existence (leave alone notability) of this version; actually, I tried to google for it and couldn't find any sources at all. DmitTrix (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P. S.: Please also check NATSUME 3 by the same user. DmitTrix (talk) 20:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Am Bread

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was withdrawn. The issue presented in the nomination has been resolved. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The subject of the redirect's title is not mentioned in the target article; thus, the association is not clear. Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... it would have taken less time to actually check the connection than it would have to send this to RfD. Anyway, it's there and sourced now. czar ♔ 18:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't admit that I had the time to search the web for a source when I nominated this redirect as I was looking at the new pages feed. Anyways, I'll withdraw this. Steel1943 (talk) 20:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Not a space � (talk) 18:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Android L

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure)} NickGibson3900 Talk 01:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As now Google has already confirmed that the next version of Android will be codenamed as Android Lollipop. So why there will be article of Android L, it was a working title not permanent. Moreover it may create a confusion among people that Android L is original name of the OS version, Google search also shows this article when searched as "android l". Lastly, there is no article named "Android K" or "Android J", so why there will be "Android L"?  HPD   talk  17:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)  HPD   talk  17:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep an {{R from former name}} which is actually discussed at the target page (so anyone who reads the article will be cured of whatever misconceptions they may have about the name "Android L") and which does not seem to refer to any other notable topic. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: "Android L" has been around long enough to become notable, and Android Lollipop article is there to describe naming history of the actual Android release. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep {{R from previous name}} -- viable search term, valid former name -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Invalid reason for deletion. ViperSnake151  Talk  05:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - sends readers to what they're looking for. WilyD 09:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Enrique Peña

Currently redirects to Enrique Peña Sánchez. My proposal is to redirect it instead to Enrique Peña Nieto's page. This seems more like a WP:TWODAB situation, and Peña Nieto seems to be the primary topic here. Note that "Enrique Peña Nieto" is the common name for him, so if you think to ask a move from "Enrique Peña Nieto" to simply "Enrique Peña", it would require a RM discussion. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 11:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC) © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 11:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Nieto per proposer as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. According to stats, Peña Nieto gets 500–2500hits/day, Peña Sánchez gets 4–10.
Minor points that may influence consensus:
  1. Enrique Nieto (architect) (15–20 hits/day), is hatnoted at Enrique Peña Nieto but there is also (I would say unnecessarily) a DAB at Enrique Nieto with only those two mentioned, which seems over-egging the pudding. The DAB gets 4–10 hits/day. I could reason that we should follow that precedent, then, and make Enrique Peña also a DAB, but I argue that would just over-egg a second pudding.
  2. Peña Nieto has {{Spanish name}} but Peña Sánchez doesn't. Not sure if he should, is this name form used by Cubans?
Anyway, those can easily be fixed when we have consensus on the main point. Si Trew (talk) 09:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia State Route 638

Delete all. These redirected to a section of the list that listed seven different routes as if they were one continuous route (and which I spent several minutes trying to locate before I realized they were discontinuous). I removed the section because all but the one in Scott County are very minor roads (in Virginia, practically every public road has a state route number, and numbers over 600 are only unique within a county). So now these redirect to nowhere. (I wrote a better description for the one in Scott County, so did not list those redirects here.) NE2 04:55, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget Virginia State Route 638 to List_of_secondary_state_highways_in_Virginia#SR_638 (Scott_County); Delete the rest. Add courtesy comment and anchor at target per WP:SPECIFICLINK. Si Trew (talk) 06:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are other potentially important ones in Clarke, Fairfax, Hanover, and Westmoreland Counties, some of which might not end up redirecting to this list. The best solution would be a disambiguation, but some do-gooder would probably redirect it because it only has one blue link. --NE2 19:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question is the a scope for a Virginia State route 638 list or set-index article? This is the sort of information that Wikipedia can provide well. I'll drop a note for the folks at the US Roads Wikiproject about this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 21:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - List of secondary state highways in Virginia is currently a sloppy mess incomplete RCS list of secondary roads in Virginia. These secondary routes are generally not notable enough for individual articles in the same vein as most county routes. What should be done, however, is to create by-county lists for secondary routes as these routes are notable enough to be covered in a list. List of county routes in Camden County, New Jersey can serve as a model for how the lists can look like, as the notability and numbering pattern of the Virginia secondary routes is very similar to New Jersey county routes. For the record, some CRs in New Jersey cross county lines but are covered in the seperate county lists per county as opposed to being lumped together. Dough4872 00:22, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - splitting multi-county routes by county is a silly practice that should not be done here (and actually isn't in New Jersey for the 5xx routes). --NE2 01:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • The difference between the 500 and 600 routes in New Jersey is that the 500 routes are a statewide system while the 600 routes are only unique to a specific county. It just happens that some counties coordinate their numbering to have like-numbered routes meet at county lines. Virginia appears the same way with secondary routes. Dough4872 02:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Not exactly. Virginia deliberately made the secondary numbers match at county lines, to the point of renumbering routes when they were extended (over a former primary) into another county. --NE2 02:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          1. The notability of secondary state highways in Virginia should be discussed in its own thread at WT:USRD instead of piggybacking here.
          2. The List of secondary state highways in Virginia has a lot of non-notable routes because I did not take the time to think about the notability of these routes when I merged them into the list a few years ago; my goal was only to get rid of stubs. I suspect most of these secondary state highways are not notable, but we can discuss more elsewhere.  VC  00:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
            • ?? The whole point of merging into lists like this is to avoid questions of notability. --NE2 00:54, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oakey Creek

Watercourse with broader pastoral significance that's been randomly redirected to a town. The town article contains nothing of use on the watercourse, and there is no way someone looking for information on Oakey Creek (which I was) would think "this helps me in any way" by getting redirected to an article on a town somewhere along it. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Change to Disambiguation page. Because virtually every creek east of the Great Divide is lined with creek oaks, Queensland is full of Oakey Creeks and Oaky Creeks. The one at Oakey isn't special. The only Oakey Creek that is broadly notable in Queensland, and the only one that could generally referred to as "Oaky Creek" and understood outside the local area, would be the coal mine at Middlemount. Even that isn't exactly famous but at least people living more than 50km might understand that as "the" Oaky Creek. So this redirect needs to be changed to a dimanbiguation page for the dozens of Oakey/Oaky creeks in the country.Mark Marathon (talk) 03:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabbify or convert to set index per Mark -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Myall Creek

It's a watercourse that's been completely randomly redirected to a town. I would normally associate the name Myall Creek with the Myall Creek Massacre, which wasn't even in the same state, but with a random redirect to a town in Queensland I'm not even sure if it's the same creek. Either way, it needs its own article or disambiguation page and shouldn't have an incredibly unhelpful redirect. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think we need disambiguation rather than redirect. There are two Myall Creeks (possibly more for all I know). Myall Creek is the former name of the town of Dalby and the creek that flows through that town. If you live in SE Queensland, that's probably what Myall Creek means to you. It's also a creek in NSW at which there was a massacre. I don't think it's worth arguing over which is "primary", let's just disambiguate. Kerry (talk) 04:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabbify or convert to set index per Mark -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It doesn't become a disambiguation page until the two articles exist, and right now the number is zero. Since Myall Creek is a former name for the town, this redirect is going to exactly the right place. On a side note, are creeks considered notable in Australia, since they most aren't elsewhere. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:07, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment does "creek" have a greater significance in Australia than elsewhere? dictionary.com lists the meaning for it as Aus, NZ and US (wiktionary.org also includes Canada) as being "a stream of water smaller than a river"; and that is the sense that I would use it in British English, although both those dictionaries specifically exclude Br. Eng. from that definition but say in Br. Eng. it is used to mean a bay or estuary, impling "brook" would be the right word in the Br. Eng. I dunno, I've used both in the UK. Si Trew (talk) 06:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It isn't widely known as an old name for Dalby, whereas the Myall Creek massacre is taught in schools nowadays. I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that that's the "right place". The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Myall Creek massacre. It's not mentioned that Myall Creek is a former name for Dalby, Queensland (in that article). Si Trew (talk) 06:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I still don't feel like this is very helpful, because the context I found this in was about the actual watercourse Dalby used to be named after, and there's clearly some notability there as well. At the bare minimum it should be a disambiguation between Myall Creek Massacre and Dalby. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think it is a WP:SURPRISE to redirect it to Dalby, Queensland when there is no mention of that being its name at that target. I am not sure it is better to DABify it with an entry, for the same reason: sure, the DAB entry could be "Until 1854, the name of Dalby, Queensland, Australia" or some such wording, but it would still be better if it is mentioned at target. I could be bold and do that now, but I'd probably better not until we have consensus. If "Myall Creek" is the former name, it is better I think to add the info saying so and then R it Dalby, and then hatnote there to the massacre, rather than have a DAB with two entries. Si Trew (talk) 12:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment IIRC, there is some consensus for creating set index articles even when none or only one of the individual entries have articles. The best-developed examples can probably be found in Category:Set indices on Greek mythology. For the life of me I can't remember where this was discussed for placenames, but there's some examples in Category:Lists of places sharing the same name, e.g. Cherkaske and Fabrichny. I'm inclined to think that this would be a better solution than the current target. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In Australia, creek is the term used for watercourses smaller than a river, but some creeks are actually significant watercourses, while some of our rivers are actually unimpressive. Because of our drought/flood cycle, our watercourses can vary quite a lot and so the title Creek or River may depend on whether they were named during a flood or a drought. The Myall Creek that flows through Dalby Qld is around 70km long (by my rough measurement). It drains an area of 1375 square kilometres. It is listed in the Queensland Globe (which is the Qld Govt authoritative resource on Qld geography) as a "major watercourse". It might not have an article yet, but it's certainly not a "brook". The town name changed from Myall Creek to Dalby in 1854 according to this 1936 newspaper article which is consistent with the Dalby article that mentions the renaming of the post office at that time. Kerry (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of cities in Somaliland

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:REDLINK While the target does indeed cover cities in the Somaliland region, there is no article restricted to Somaliland. - TheChampionMan1234 02:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This is an obviously incorrect redirect that would be better off as a redlink. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Tadsch Mahal

No connections with German. - TheChampionMan1234 01:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Champ. Si Trew (talk) 06:56, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - directs readers to the content they're looking for. No argument has been presented for deletion. WilyD 09:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The argument is that there is no affinity with German, and I think it's consensus now that WP is not a (translation) dictionary.
Additionally, it is not mentioned at the target. So anyone using this redirect unexpectedly (e.g. if hidden under a pipe) wonders how they got there. Those using it expectedly might be surprised, too. Even the German [[::de:Tadsch Mahal]] is an R to de:Taj Mahal, so presumably the correct German term is indeed "Taj Mahal".
Which readers? Stats show a mean average of three hits a week. The redirect de:Tadsch Mahal exists with a mean average of 4+1⁄3 hits/day. The article de:Taj Mahal has a mean average of 385+3⁄5 hits/day. Si Trew (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an argument, that's a statement of fact unrelated to the discussion at hand. Similarly, although it's true that Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary, that statement has nothing to do with this redirect. Three readers a week is not a ton, but that there's only a few of them is no reason to make the encyclopaedia harder for them to use where there's no apparent encyclopaedic benefit. WilyD 12:04, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plowback retained earnings

This recently created redirect is an implausible search term—given its length—that consists of two legitimate names of the target put together for no apparent purpose and should be deleted. It has no history worth preserving, no incoming links, and even if someone were to type "plowback retained earnings" into the search box after the redirect is deleted, what they were looking for would come up at the very top of the list. The redirect fails to satisfy any of the reasons for creating and maintaining redirects (an editing guideline) and it also violates WP:POVNAME (a policy) which states that "[a]rticle titles and redirects should anticipate what readers will type as a first guess" and the first guess in this case would clearly be either Plowback, or Retained earnings, both of which already exist.

The above may not be immediately clear if you're unfamiliar with the term retained earnings, so allow me to put forth the following analogous examples of hypothetical redirects: Fridge refrigerator, Tap faucet, Water dihydrogen monoxide, Dictionary lexicon. Plowback retained earnings is no different than these four, and allowing it to stay would set a bad precedent.

I think I should mention that I had a short dialogue with the creator of this redirect that you may want to read to better inform your judgment before commenting. Iaritmioawp (talk) 09:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - they're not exactly the same thing, more like Refrigerator refrigeration, but close enough that we would never have two separate articles (and we don't; plowback redirects to retained earnings) but it seems unlikely someone would type both into the search box. If they did, they'd find what they're looking for anyway. Ivanvector (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WilyD's comment on the nominator's talk page; it may be implausible, but that doesn't meant that it's not useful. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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