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*<s>*'''Delete''' - despite [[User:GizzyCatBella]]'s false statement, Poland censors Polish crimes in the Holocaust: [https://time.com/5202047/polands-censorship-law-holocaust/ Reps. Hoyer, Price and Schneider: Poland’s Censorship Law Ignores Its History and Undermines Its Future, Time], [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-law/552842/ The Dark Consequences of Poland's New Holocaust Law, The Atlantic], [https://www.timesofisrael.com/poland-censors-israeli-mayor-at-official-ceremony-over-mention-of-polish-crimes/ Poland censors Israeli mayor who sought to cite Polish Holocaust crimes at event, Times of Israel]. [[Special:Contributions/49.228.170.221|49.228.170.221]] ([[User talk:49.228.170.221|talk]]) 04:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)</s> per [[WP:DENY]] and [[WP:BANREVERT]] <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 15:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
*<s>*'''Delete''' - despite [[User:GizzyCatBella]]'s false statement, Poland censors Polish crimes in the Holocaust: [https://time.com/5202047/polands-censorship-law-holocaust/ Reps. Hoyer, Price and Schneider: Poland’s Censorship Law Ignores Its History and Undermines Its Future, Time], [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-law/552842/ The Dark Consequences of Poland's New Holocaust Law, The Atlantic], [https://www.timesofisrael.com/poland-censors-israeli-mayor-at-official-ceremony-over-mention-of-polish-crimes/ Poland censors Israeli mayor who sought to cite Polish Holocaust crimes at event, Times of Israel]. [[Special:Contributions/49.228.170.221|49.228.170.221]] ([[User talk:49.228.170.221|talk]]) 04:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)</s> per [[WP:DENY]] and [[WP:BANREVERT]] <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 15:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
** {{re|GizzyCatBella}} The IP hasn't been blocked,[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=49.228.170.221&blockType=&limit=50&wpFormIdentifier=blocklist] so your striking of their comment may be a violation of your T-ban. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 01:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
** {{re|GizzyCatBella}} The IP hasn't been blocked,[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=49.228.170.221&blockType=&limit=50&wpFormIdentifier=blocklist] so your striking of their comment may be a violation of your T-ban. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 01:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::::[[User:François Robere|François Robere]] - The comment of this single purpose IP, most likely a sock or meat puppet of a banned user and was directed at me. I didn't comment on the body of the remark. YOU, on the other hand, suppose to stay away from me. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=949156167&oldid=949145304&diffmode=source] So please, <u>stay away from me</u> and <u>stop</u> following me around!<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 21:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Rosguill. A quick Google search suggests there's at least enough for a stub,[https://time.com/5202047/polands-censorship-law-holocaust/][https://www.dw.com/en/is-media-censorship-a-coming-threat-in-poland/a-46671328][https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52721152] and there are other instances of limitation of free speech or access to information that may merit mention.[https://www.france24.com/en/20191015-nobel-winner-fears-rising-self-censorship-in-poland][https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/11/poland-onward-sexuality-specter-lesbian-censorship-translation-russia-pixar-disney/][https://wbj.pl/polands-government-blocks-access-to-public-information-daily/post/126760][https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/polish-government-issues-artists-with-fines-then-withdraws-them] [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 01:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Rosguill. A quick Google search suggests there's at least enough for a stub,[https://time.com/5202047/polands-censorship-law-holocaust/][https://www.dw.com/en/is-media-censorship-a-coming-threat-in-poland/a-46671328][https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52721152] and there are other instances of limitation of free speech or access to information that may merit mention.[https://www.france24.com/en/20191015-nobel-winner-fears-rising-self-censorship-in-poland][https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/11/poland-onward-sexuality-specter-lesbian-censorship-translation-russia-pixar-disney/][https://wbj.pl/polands-government-blocks-access-to-public-information-daily/post/126760][https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/polish-government-issues-artists-with-fines-then-withdraws-them] [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 01:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The modern government aside, there could well have been censorship in the [[Second Polish Republic]] (1918-1939) or in independent Poland before the [[Third Partition of Poland|Third Partition]] (1795), and pointing readers to an article about the 1945-1989 regime is misleading. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The modern government aside, there could well have been censorship in the [[Second Polish Republic]] (1918-1939) or in independent Poland before the [[Third Partition of Poland|Third Partition]] (1795), and pointing readers to an article about the 1945-1989 regime is misleading. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:44, 29 May 2020

May 27

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 27, 2020.

Murazor

Apparently I missed some of these in the earlier discussions. Names of Nazgul in derivative works, so not really relevant to the main article. Per WP:VGSCOPE, too minor for the game articles. See #Dwar of Waw and #Hoarmurath. The number of these is ridiculous. Hog Farm (talk) 21:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Humanist (typeface classification)

"Humanist" refers to two things under the Vox-ATypI classification, and there are two sections with the same name under the current target of the second redirect. Humanist serif is a subtype of Serif#Old-style, while humanist sans-serif is described in more detail at Sans-serif#Humanist. Is either one the more common meaning? Paul_012 (talk) 18:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 21:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of presidents, vice presidents, first spouses and second spouses of the Philippines by longevity

Delete the redirect page, the article name has been reverted to only cover presidents. First spouses and second spouses are neologisms. The target page is also planned to be converted as a plausible redirect for List of presidents of the Philippines by age. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 11:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 21:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brewing stand

Minor gameplay element that isn't mentioned at the target. Could conceivably also refer to real-life brewing tools, but even if it doesn't I think that the lack of content at the target is reason enough for deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete because of lack of information at target, because it is not a likely search term for Minecraft, and because it interferes with searches for actual brewing stands {like the one I used to have when I did brew beer). On the last point, there may not currently be any text in the Wikipedia that has such content, but as the more common meaning, we should keep that open. --Bejnar (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I almost considered nominating this for rfd 2 days ago. But yeah, I knew it wasn't mentioned then. This is an item in Minecraft where someone trying to learn about it would search the Minecraft wiki instead. OcelotCreeper (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now as obscure gameplay mechanic. In real life, it seems to be a part of a brewing setup that could be added to the Brewing article. --Lenticel (talk) 00:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete . This isn't a diamond sword in notability. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 05:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Common term not restricted to Minecraft. —Lowellian (reply) 03:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship in Poland

The target page had hatnote-style text: ""Censorship in Poland" redirects here, as censorship is far more relaxed in present-day Poland compared to the PPR. This article is about historical censorship in the communist People's Republic of Poland (1944–1990)." I have removed the hatnote because it doesn't "help readers locate a different article if the one they are at is not the one they're looking for" (WP:HATNOTE). The intent of that hatnote would be better executed by deleting this redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, a general Censorship in Poland article is something that we should encourage creating by making it a redlink. signed, Rosguill talk 21:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Rosguill. We should encourage article creation by deleting this redirect. OcelotCreeper (talk) 23:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete to encourage article creation --Lenticel (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep. There is no censorship in present Poland. There was some marginal censorship in the Second Polish Republic ([1], [2], [3] - maybe I'll stub it). Then we can convert the redirect into a disambig (if one really wants to nitpick, the censorship existed for few months in modern Poland, until the relevant law was changed [4]). But note that beyond a disambig there is little that can be done with this redirect, not unless in the future Poland introduces a new censorship agency :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - there is no censorship in today’s democratic Poland, communist PRL censorship should be noted with a separate article.GizzyCatBella🍁 02:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's one example of censorship in contemporary Poland [5]. Censorship is a tool of statecraft; rare is the government that doesn't engage in it to one extent or another, even if only to protect the leaking of state secrets or to keep nudity off of the TV. Just look at the long list of countries with articles linked at Template:Censorship by country. Poland actually stands out in that list as one of the only countries to not redirect to a general article about censorship over the course of its history. signed, Rosguill talk 02:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, certain topics you mentioned I can't discuss with you due to myself being censored on Wikipedia (joke :)) but I agree that a new article "Censorship in Poland" could be created but "Censorship in Communist Poland" should be kept separate in my opinion.GizzyCatBella🍁 16:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't think anyone is proposing changes to Censorship in Communist Poland here, just that the redirect would be better off as a redlink. signed, Rosguill talk 21:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So you're voting to delete? François Robere (talk) 01:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
François Robere - The comment of this single purpose IP, most likely a sock or meat puppet of a banned user and was directed at me. I didn't comment on the body of the remark. YOU, on the other hand, suppose to stay away from me. [7] So please, stay away from me and stop following me around!GizzyCatBella🍁 21:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Rosguill. A quick Google search suggests there's at least enough for a stub,[8][9][10] and there are other instances of limitation of free speech or access to information that may merit mention.[11][12][13][14] François Robere (talk) 01:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The modern government aside, there could well have been censorship in the Second Polish Republic (1918-1939) or in independent Poland before the Third Partition (1795), and pointing readers to an article about the 1945-1989 regime is misleading. Narky Blert (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - as there is no censorship in today’s Poland.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no war in Ba Sing Se. signed, Rosguill talk 20:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clearances

Shouldn't this redirect to Clearance instead per WP:PLURALPT and WP:DABCOMBINE? Highland Clearances seems like a PTM even though the Highland Clearances is an important event in Scottish history. The DAB page does list numerous other uses though only Clearance (pharmacology) is titled "Clearance(s)" it seems likely some of the others are common/important enough for there to be no primary topic and usually singular and plural point to the same place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, people commonly refer to "the clearances", although the term "Highland clearances" is also in use. Both terms should lead to the same article to avoid confusing readers. This redirect has been in place since 2007 and to change it now would be needlessly disruptive. --94.197.89.137 (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe in the UK (and in particular Scotland) but probably not in other parts of the world. Similar to the fact that people outside Louisville would not readily identify Louisville Zoo as the "Zoo". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom. "The Clearances" refers to the Highland Clearances; "Clearances" without the definite article could refer to any number of things on the DAB page and is ambiguous. WP article titles are chosen to be precise; when the context is clear, e.g. copyright or engineering, people refer to the topic by the single word. (Full disclosure: I'm half-Scottish.) Narky Blert (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes I'm partly Scottish to and while I would think of the Highland Clearances first, I don't think everyone who either isn't interested in geography or in the UK. I make a lot of contributions to Scottish islands. Note that The Clearances redirects to the Highland Clearances which I think is sufficient since per WP:THE "Clearances" has a different (general) meaning. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom. The DAB page is perfectly sufficient for someone who searched for "Clearances" and wanted "Highland Clearances". Having written a good chunk of Highland Clearances, I would be all for promoting the article, but not at the cost of the encyclopedia user's view of Wikipedia.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom. Thanks for the nice (old meaning) discussion. Prior to seeing this I had not heard of The Highland Clearances. I generally thought of clearances as what happened on an old-time bank holiday, when all financial instruments were cleared through the issuing banks (i.e. banks cleared all inter-bank transactions) and all accounts were brought up-to-date. Hence clearing house. I agree that a broader view is appropriate. --Bejnar (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom, since there's no dominant meaning for the singular sense. —Lowellian (reply) 03:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Adding images

I think it would be better off redirecting to WP:Uploading images or Help:Pictures. That's what I was looking for when I searched for it. Anyway, this redirect has no incoming links. There was one pageview in the last 90 days. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 16:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hoarmurath

Not mentioned in target article, and shouldn't be - this is a non-canonical adaptation in a game, so isn't really relevant to the main topic of Nazgul. Too minor to mention in the game articles per WP:VGSCOPE. Hog Farm (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greg’s best friend

Besides the fact that the wrong apostrophe seems to be used here, there are many Gregs besides Greg Heffley, and most of them presumably have best friends. Ambiguous. Hog Farm (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sankoh

The target has the rather clunky hatnote: "Sankoh" redirects here. For other people named Sankoh, see these search results. In the absence of a surname page, this redirect should be deleted to encourage article creation and allow uninterrupted Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Googling the term "Sankoh" indicates that Foday Sankoh is by far WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Sankoh", so redirect should still point to that article. I just now created a surname page Sankoh (surname), and changed the hatlink at Foday Sankoh to suggest the new surname page (instead of search results) for other uses. So this issue is solved, I think. —Lowellian (reply) 08:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's worse than that. Foday Sankoh is - for no good reason that I can see - being treated as WP:PTOPIC and Sankoh as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Sankoh (disambiguation) exists, and despite its title is a pure {{surname}} page.
Retarget Sankoh to Sankoh (disambiguation), then WP:ROBIN swap those two pages (per both WP:INTDAB and WP:PRECISE) and categorise the surname page correctly. Narky Blert (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, your comment was posted at nearly the same time I posted my comment above, so I think you missed my comment, so I'll recap it: Googling the term "Sankoh" indicates that Foday Sankoh is by far WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Sankoh", so redirect should still point to that article. Just minutes before you posted, I newly created "Sankoh (disambiguation)" in response to this RFD to solve the request for a surname page to fix a poor hatlink. But yes, as it turns out, all the entries on the list are currently surnames, so I've moved "Sankoh (disambiguation)" to "Sankoh (surname)". —Lowellian (reply) 09:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lowellian, are you saying that Sankoh is the common name mononym for Foday Sankoh, or is it more like Trump where Foday Sankoh is for now the most well known of the bunch? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The latter. "Sankoh" is not a mononym, but it usually refers to "Foday Sankoh", like "Merkel" usually refers to (and redirects to) Angela Merkel, "Bolsonaro" usually refers to (and redirects to) Jair Bolsonaro, "Sarkozy" usually refers to (and redirects to) Nicolas Sarkozy, etc. "Trump" doesn't redirect to Donald Trump because the word has the common other meaning of Trump (card games), but there is no other such common meaning for "Sankoh". —Lowellian (reply) 20:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Things like Google hits and pageviews give extremely unreliable measures of relative notability; see WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY. I've just put an article up for WP:AFD which had (count 'em!) 3,622 views in the last 30 days: an unreferenced article from 2016 about an utterly non-notable 1964 film. It is very rare that a surname has a WP:PTOPIC. Famous names like Milton, Shelley, Dvorak and Nimitz are DAB or name pages. Narky Blert (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Milton, Shelley, Dvorak, and Nimitz are DAB pages because there are multiple meanings of similar notability for each of those names. That is not the case with "Sankoh": Foday Sankoh is much more notable than all other individuals named Sankoh. Google "Sankoh", and you get page after page of results for Foday Sankoh rather than any other Sankoh. —Lowellian (reply) 03:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dwar of Waw

Not mentioned anywhere. Non-canonical name invented by the creators of Middle-earth Role Playing. Not really relevant for the Nazgul article (fan speculation, basically), and WP:UNDUE to mention at the game article per WP:VGSCOPE. Hog Farm (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Romantic selection in humans

This redirect, created rather recently on 8 May, should be deleted. There is no such thing as "romantic selection", let alone romantic selection in humans, and thus the target article does not discuss any such thing. Crossroads -talk- 03:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is such thing as how humans select romantic partners, and this should redirect to whichever article discusses that. Benjamin (talk) 07:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To those of you voting delete, why shouldn't it simply point somewhere else instead? Benjamin (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because no-one can think of a suitable target? Narky Blert (talk) 11:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Norbourn

Fictional obscurity. Only mention on the English Wikipedia is as somebody's middle name. Nowhere really for this point that's within the scope of this triviality. Wikia-level. Hog Farm (talk) 02:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pē̆trŏcŏ́rĭī

Diacritics don't seem to make any sense, and the now blocked user who made this redirect appears to have made many other similar redirects in the past which got deleted (eg: here and here). I can only get one google search result for this exact spelling, which is some random person's Facebook page. Nothing links here, and looking at the page views, I appear to be the only person to have come across this page title in the past 90 days. Seagull123 Φ 00:31, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. --Stay safe, PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•AC) This message was left at 01:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the nominator. Glades12 (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Red link this particular spelling, but I see no harm in moving it without leaving a redirect to Pĕtrŏcŏrĭī and then redirecting to Petrocorii. I presume that's what was originally meant: I think it's from Le Gaffiot. Pĕtrŏcŏrĭī is certainly not an obvious spelling, very rare, but I don't think the current spelling is used at all, anywhere. DrKay (talk) 07:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]