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April 16

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 16, 2024.

2012: Doomsday

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The F-Bomb (documentary)

No evidence the current target is referred to as "The F bomb". Could just as reasonably refer to The F Word (2005 film), but there's no evidence that's called this either. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kannagi (upcoming film)

This film released just about 4 months ago and is no longer upcoming. Plenty of time has past to the point that there is no more confusion for a 2023 movie, as it's well into 2024 now. Nobody ending up here who sees "upcoming film" in the title would be surprised by it's removal for a movie releasing last year. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The beach that makes you old

Related meme not mentioned at target. Implausible to be searched on Wikipedia, not including people going onto Google and asking "what's the beach that makes you old", after which point one would find the source film for the topic; also, the Wikipedia page pops up there too. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Even as a meme, there is no mention of the meme on the film article, so this is just a joke re-direct that doesn't really help anyone. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Paradise Airport

This is an inaccurate redirect. Paradise Airport is a small airfield in Paradise, California, nowhere near Paradise, Nevada (and nowhere near the size or importance of Las Vegas' international airport). Mistaken redirect that should just be deleted; the airport itself is non-notable so its article was converted to redirect in 2022. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as potentially confusing, per WP:R#DELETE item 2. As well as the California "Paradise airport" indicated by the nom [1], there's another in New York state [2], but neither seem to be notable. Rosbif73 (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Paradise Skypark on which we have an article. It is unclear from the nomination which is the airport article being referred to that was converted to a redirect in 2022. Jay 💬 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Winged spear

Between Corseque, Spetum, and the fact that this redirect is not mentioned in the current target, it's not clear which subject readers are desiring to locate when searching this term. (However, used to be a section at Polearm#Winged spear, a section which was present in 2012, but was removed at some point that year.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General Dollar

Not a synonym for this brand, and not useful as a search term. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link baiting

Deletion, link baiting differs from clickbait to the degree that the redirect is misleading. Link baiting does not have the deceptive nature of clickbait. [1] Acalc79 (talk) 14:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose I could ask how you're defining "link baiting?" 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian concession in Sarandë

Romanian Institute in Albania was originally created under this title. The author, blocked since 2019, appears to have misread the sources he used. Albania granted a Romanian historian property in Sarandë and he established an institute on it and granted half of the land to the Romanian state, but this does not mean a part of Sarandë stopped being a sovereign part of Albania to become part of Romania. The "concession" thing is original research. No sources talk about this using the word "concession" [3]. This is ultimately a hoax. Draft:Romanian concession in Sarandë should be deleted too. Super Ψ Dro 13:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phone computer

This seems overly technical. Nobody would really refer to smartphones as a phone computer outside of drawing some comparisons between smartphones and computers. Okmrman (talk) 04:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. This is what a smartphone is, and I wouldn't be surprised if the terms were used before "smartphone" became the established term (I can't check as Google is refusing to show me results that are both verbatim and before a given time, and either one alone is overwhelmed by irrelevant results where the two words happen to be adjacent, especially in lists in adverts). Thryduulf (talk) 18:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment shouldn't this actually link to telco equipment? Such as a PBX or other phone computers -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The phrasing of these redirects makes me believe they could also refer to Modem, thus making these redirects ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 04:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 15:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 11:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I think it is easy for English first speakers (or young people) to say they aren't needed, but they probably serve some utility and they perfectly describe what they are. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabify. As Steel mentioned, a viable interpretation of this would be Modem, being "a phone used by a computer". However, I'd also think that VoIP phone-- a phone that uses the Internet instead of normal phone lines-- or softphone-- a software program that could call other people, which could be downloaded and installed on a PC-- would be valid interpretations of "Phone computer" or "Computer phone". Given I'm sure none of the above- including Smartphone (a phone which is a computer)-- would be a primary target, dabification is warranted. edited at 14:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - disambiguation pages are for topics that have the same title, not for manually compiled search indexes of possibly related keywords. We have a search engine for that, let it do its job. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Faulty thinking

I just created this. But to be on the safe side, I wanted to ask for opinions, as this is actually a psychological term that does not appear in the given target as such, in fact. Hildeoc (talk) 12:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. My first thought is that a fallacy is only one type of faulty thinking, others being using incorrect logic, extrapolating from a misunderstanding, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 15:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Uhh, "using incorrect logic" is a formal fallacy, "extrapolating from a misunderstanding" is (at a minimum) an informal fallacy. Paradoctor (talk) 17:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question this is actually a psychological term Can you provide a source defining this psychological term? The only uses I could find were all literal uses, i. e. talking about thinking that is faulty.
    Thinking is more general than reasoning/arguing, and from what I've seen, a case could be made to target cognitive biases instead, or in addition. Paradoctor (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Paradoctor: Thanks for taking an interest. Well, if you google the term (using quotes), the hits you get are like almost exclusively related to uses in a psychological context; cf., e.g., here. Hildeoc (talk) 05:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    two [...] conceptions of faulty thinking That's two different terms. So we'd need to a) disambiguate, b) find articles to link to, which are defining these idioms. Alternatively a set index article would also be conceivable, though this would require a whole lot more sources.
    More to the point, the hits are uses, not definitions / discussions of the concept. Extracting definitions from usage would be WP:SYNTHESIS Paradoctor (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poopoo

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) TarnishedPathtalk 11:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to a disambiguation. This makes no sense. TarnishedPathtalk 07:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Plausible redirect. It's basically the same title as the target, but without the spacing in the middle. Unclear why it doesn't make sense to the nominator. CycloneYoris talk! 08:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A redirect to a disambiguation makes no sense to me. TarnishedPathtalk 10:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, normalize yourself with this. Redirects to disambiguation pages are many and allowed. Neocorelight (Talk) 10:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a plausible (and perhaps common) alternate spelling. The fact that it points to a dab page doesn't matter for this purpose. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Immigration control in Russia

I'm not sure this is the best target for this redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Illegal immigration to Russia. Doing a history dive, this was the original target, before being retargeted to Federal Migration Service 20 days later by its own creator. As it stands, this seems like the most relevant, widest-shot page on this topic (Because one agency has not been in control of this issue for Russia's entire existence as a country, retargeting to any one of said agencies would be a disservice.)
...Alternately, we COULD Dabify between Immigration to Russia, Illegal immigration to Russia, Federal Migration Service, and Main Directorate for Migration Affairs. There IS a third agency listed as a predecessor to the Federal Migration Service in its article, but that agency doesn't have a page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Dabify or retarget? If dabify, anyone want to draft a dab up?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk page of the suggested targets Illegal immigration to Russia and Main Directorate for Migration Affairs.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Main Directorate for Migration Affairs. No need to dabify: this is a single subject regardless agencies and articles where else it is covered. I added a lazy section "History", from which one can traced down all previous Russian migration control agencies, as well as "See also" about immigration to Russia. - Altenmann >talk 06:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pepitos

Delete. Not mentioned at target. Though retargeting to Pepito as a {{R from plural}} also seems viable. CycloneYoris talk! 06:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Restore to original redirect form: #REDIRECT [[Pepita]] {{R from misspelling}}. This is an obvious and easy typo for pepita, that could be made by anyone with imperfect memory of the word and uncertain of the linguistic gender of the Spanish name (which is commonly used at least in the southern and western United States for roasted pumpkin/squash seeds, even if not widely used in English more broadly). If I had noticed the strange change to redirect this to a cookie brand for no source-supported reason (and an edit-summary reason that suggests it is a re-branding trademark of that specific product line but used only in a particular Spanish-speaking country, not within the Anglosphere), I would have reverted it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabify There is Pepito name and Pepito (sandwich). If we trust SMcCandlish, we have three distinct pluralizable items. Not to say that victionary says "pepito" used to be a gold nugget. ... Oh and there were Los Pepitos , see José Luis Cabezas and Charlie Rivel; and Pepitos: The Beak Saga in 80th Venice International Film Festival although seem no more. - Altenmann >talk 07:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • P.S. And there are plenty of "Pepitoses" in latin america es:Chips Ahoy!#Como "Pepitos" : it says that its name changes to Pepitos! for Argentina and Uruguay , so this can be added to chips ahoy, and the DAB page is for good. - Altenmann >talk 07:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • There's already a disambiguation page at Pepito. There are very few items on that page that could be pluralized, though, so targeting the nominated page there may not be appropriate. - Eureka Lott 14:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Retarget to Pepito (I didnt pay attention that Pepito is a DAB page already, no need another one. - Altenmann >talk 19:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Pepito as an {{R from plural}}. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Becker

Couldn't find Wiren Dale Becker referred to with only his middle name, anywhere. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dale Becker for the original article under that title. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Referred to as such here (one of the sources in the article). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (arguably almost should be moved to Dale Becker but that's a distinct discussion). Additional sources that use just the middle name: [4], [5], and [6] (definitely seem to be the same person). Skynxnex (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Japanator.com

Target article doesn't mention Japanator. Anyone has any idea? Neocorelight (Talk) 01:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I actually tried digging around, including the history of the (now community banned) person that created the redirect. Maybe a troll creation? No valid reason can be found, so Delete. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, not a troll creation. I found this redirect by a link from another article. Neocorelight (Talk) 12:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Japanator should be bundled as well, I think? Not a super simple history. It was a sibling-ish site of Destructoid for quite awhile,[7][8] then was merged into Siliconera [9]. And so was part of Enthusiast Gaming (a possible retarget since it's mentioned there) but then Gamurs acquired some sites from Enthusiast (including Siliconera). So I think retarget to Enthusiast Gaming since it's mentioned there, including the transfer to Gamurs, and most of its system was part of that. Gamurs would be a fine (future) retarget if it's expanded. And open to other ideas if people know more (sadly lots of noise from the, hm, particular era that impacted gaming sites). (Pinging Neocorelight and Dennis Brown.) Skynxnex (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=9WE1AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&dq=%22linkbaiting%22&hl=&cd=2&source=gbs_api#v=onepage&q=%22linkbaiting%22&f=false
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