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July 26

I have a question about the word cool

Is it weird for me to say the word cool since it's maybe an out of date word and I'm not exactly a teenager since I'm close to 40 years old? 2001:569:5026:8A00:A1DB:EE40:D703:4C06 (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My friends who are more than twice your age use it. The cool friends, anyway. But then, they were also groovy. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 03:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My dad, 84, uses it. Maybe that puts you off? —Tamfang (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most people vary the register and vocabulary they use according to where and to whom they're speaking, so they don't make their listeners uncomfortable: I don't natter to some bloke down the pub in the same manner that I converse with my bank manager, for example. So using 'cool' is likely cool with some of your friends who talk in the same manner, but maybe not 'cool' with others, like your granny. Sometimes, however, one might deliberately use a non-appropriate register deliberately as a passing joke or to put your listener off-guard, or on the defensive: it all depends on the circumstances. FWIW, I'm in my mid-60s and readily say 'cool' in the appropriate setting. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cool is cool, but don't use phat if you don't want to sound like you're having a midlife crisis. --Lambiam 08:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

fo shizzle. --Jayron 32 12:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I regularly used words like "cool" and "dude" when I was a teenager in the late 60s and early 70s. Therefore, I am used to speaking with those words. I don't think anyone finds it weird when I refer to someone as a "cood dude" because I am old and they expect me to use words from my generation. When I want to use a weird word, I don't pick something from kids much younger than I am. I pick something from my generation that is uncommon, like "froody." 97.82.165.112 (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that some slang words are "stickier" than others. Some slang terms become more and more accepted, to where they are more-or-less permanent (though still informal) parts of the language; "cool" is like that. It has been largely fixed in meaning and widely understood for almost a century, at this point, it's not really ephemeral slang, but just a normal part of English. This video does a really good job explaining the lifecycle of slang, and how some words become entrenched, and others fade out of existence after a few months. --Jayron 32 17:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wah gwaan wid yuh todeh, everything criss? Mi gwaan tek it easy deh yah in Jamaica, thas kool man. Mi wi si yuh lata. Philvoids (talk) 17:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC) [reply]

Sorry, what? --Jayron 32 18:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's no longer english Phil! my best guess: what is going on with you today, everything OK? I'm going to take it easy as I am in in Jamaica, thats cool man. I will see you later Rmvandijk (talk) 08:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's cool man. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 18:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Cool" in the "far out man, all aboard the Marrakesh Express" sense is probably a sign that you are having a mid-life crisis. "Cool" in the sense of "fine, ok, I sort of quite like that" sense is pretty much everyday language for any age. Nowadays it's pretty much only grannies who are old enough to get away with the first sense. DuncanHill (talk) 18:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair any word used in the "far out man, all aboard the Marrakesh Express" sense is an indicator of a mid-life crisis (or mental breakdown). -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you have a 'mid-life crisis' when you're over 60? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you drive a Bitchin' Camaro, I'd say yes. 136.54.99.98 (talk) 05:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, Stuart, I like you. You're not like the other people, here, on the Ref Desks... --Jayron 32 13:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's no more weird than referring to a 5-year-old kid as "spry". -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spry? That's a cooking oil isn't it? DuncanHill (talk) 13:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The people who used that product are now old codgers, some of whom are undoubtedly sprightly and ... you guessed it. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've never codged in my goddamn life. When do we learn how to do it? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 00:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's like making new friends, or riding a bike, or masturbation, or editing Wikipedia, or changing a light bulb, or all of the foregoing simultaneously. Nobody ever takes lessons in these things, they just pick them up as they go along. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright license for images uploaded to Wikipedia

I recall that there was a place to deposit licenses granted by copyright owners granting permission to upload things to Wikipedia. Where do I find it? Michael Hardy (talk) 02:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 03:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where does that page address my question? I have written permission from the copyright owner. I was asking about a web page or email address where that written permission can be deposited. Michael Hardy (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hardy, the email address is in that link, and it is also in Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. Please read both carefully. This is a procedure with legal implications that must be carried out properly. The written permission from the copyright holder must be worded precisely. It must be clear that the copyright holder fully understands the implications of the free license. Cullen328 (talk) 00:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

green tea and filtered coffee

What do they mean by this question in the article below "while ensuring adequate calcium intake", is there a reason why they say that? Just trying to understand what they mean by having green tea and filtered coffee in moderate consumption "while ensuring adequate calcium intake"? regular moderate consumption of green tea or (filtered) coffee while ensuring adequate calcium intake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_diet#Optimal_diet 2001:8003:6152:8101:E118:B3FC:91E7:1B5 (talk) 02:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some studies link caffeine consumption with negative effects on calcium metabolism, possibly related to caffeine increasing loss of calcium in the urine, and decreasing calcium absorption in the body. Over time, having less calcium available could cause bone loss. However, the effect of caffeine is weakened in individuals who are getting enough calcium in their diet (e.g., 1,000 to 1,200 mg from total of food and supplements). Caffeine may very modestly reduce calcium absorption (by about 4 mg of calcium per cup of coffee), but this can be offset completely by adding 1–2 tablespoons of milk to your coffee.

"Coffee, Tea and Bone Health - American Bone Health". americanbonehealth.org. 5 December 2016.

But, I don't see why filtered coffee should be differentiated from unfiltered coffee, or green tea from other teas. 136.54.99.98 (talk) 04:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source referenced in the sentence in our article after "(filtered)" states, "High intake of unfiltered coffee (6 cups per day) has been shown to increase LDL-C by 17.8 mg/dL." The other referenced source states, "Tea consumption, especially green tea, is associated with significantly reduced risks for stroke, diabetes and depression, and improved levels of glucose, cholesterol, abdominal obesity and blood pressure." [My emphasis by underlining -- L.] --Lambiam 08:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. (I guess I should've read the article in question). 136.54.99.98 (talk) 09:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

uh

Please read the instructions at the top. We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate. --Jayron 32 17:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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why should we use 'mainstream media' even though they're allowed to lie legally Tetrasgetras (talk) 12:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what? --Jayron 32 17:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant citations from mainstream media, at least all of them do have political biases, or that they're basically lying even legally, of course. Tetrasgetras (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by lying. Can you provide a specific example? As far as I know, most mainstream media sources are trying to find correct information, and do a pretty good job of it. When my local newspaper reports on an upcoming road closure, or lets me know about a traveling broadway show visiting a theatre, or when a TV station tells me that it's going to rain later today, I find they aren't lying about any of that. --Jayron 32 17:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that corporate media has a hierarchical structure this renders them easily controllable, rendering the idea of big media as "reflective" of public opinion as highly suspect. Many perceive it as little more than a system of control and containment of the population. Since the news agenda is dictated by a very small number of very rich individuals, it has been suggested that the phrase "mainstream" would be more accurate if replaced by a label which respected the plutocratic agenda it promotes Tetrasgetras (talk) 17:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, I think you have misunderstood the purpose of this forum. This is not the "complain about politics" forum. This is a reference desk where we ask for help finding sources to answer questions. It's clear that's not your purpose here. Please don't do this again. --Jayron 32 17:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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July 28

Can a turtle legally buy a plane ticket to Argentina

Canv THE TURTLE 115.188.159.190 (talk) 07:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is obviously not physically or mentally capable of buying anything, either legally or illegally (unless it's a member of NASA Astronaut Group 22 or the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles). Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure this turtle is too big to fit on an airplane anyways. --Jayron 32 11:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do these guys count as turtles? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only a mock turtle can. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now who would deny a Rio-bound ticket to one of these handsome fellows ?

—— Shakescene (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, not only can Turtles buy a plane ticket, but so can a leech! --Jayron 32 12:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rio, sure. Just not Buenos Aires. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ticket agent: It just has to "show me the money!" Clarityfiend (talk) 07:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Earworms

Any experts on the subject of earworms here? I'm convinced that large doses of caffeine are a primary contributor to the malady, but I think a secondary component is the overall structure and composition of a particular song. I just experienced one of the most adverse earworms in years, but I'm fascinated by my own misfortune and wish to understand it a bit more. @Tryptofish: because he's a smart dude who understands what's going on in my noggin and can maybe lend a hand or two or three. Here's what happened: on July 25th, I prepared an exceptionally strong cup of coffee early in the morning. I was quite busy with work, so later in the day I indulged in a low dose energy drink. Maximum caffeine intake, likely around 300 mg, but no more. Later that afternoon, I was in the grocery store shopping when I heard the store play "There Must Be an Angel (Playing with My Heart)" (1985) by the Eurythmics. I remember thinking at the time, "goddamn, I haven't heard that song in years, but since 80s music is so trendy right now, it kind of makes sense that they are playing it". Anyway, nothing eventful occurred, and I went to bed later that night. The next day, nothing, 26th goes by and everything's good. However, the early morning of the 27th is when all hell broke lose. I started dreaming normally but I heard the song in my dreams. I woke up, and still heard it. It didn't go away for another 12 hours or so. Quite a ride. Any ideas? (BTW, I met Dave Stewart in the early 2000s. One of the nicest people on the planet). Viriditas (talk) 08:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh, Dave Stewart was quite a pitcher. I have found that if I get a tune stuck in my head and it's getting on my nerves, replace it with another one. YMCA, for example ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Holy moly; YMCA won't trigger me personally, but yeah, that's an earworm-ful. Is it something about the cadence, rhythm, syncopation, or what? Viriditas (talk) 09:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to tell. Maybe all the above. But if coffee is connected with it, maybe the song Java Jive would help. At least it's slower-paced. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is going to sound super weird, but I was just thinking about how my mind handles this (using analogies and metaphors), and it occurred to me, this is like when you have a bag of tortilla chips and you can't stop eating it. Apparently there's a book about the phenomenon called Hooked: Food, Free Will, and How The Food Giants Exploit our Addictions, but I haven't read it. Anyway, that's how an earworm feels to me. Like I'm eating a bag of chips that I can't put down. Viriditas (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) One that catches me from time to time is the Finlandia Hymn. I think the issue is the AABACD structure. It tends to end up as AABAABAABAA... Familiarity is essential, as a hymn I learnt it in childhood and as an adult came to appreciate the magnificence of the whole Finlandia suite. A strong repeating theme is essential, another earworm is the opening bars of Mars from The Planets before the brass comes in. What both these examples have is repeated, barely differentiated passages that the mind can "fold" into a loop. Familiarity is essential, but probably not at the level of a player who would move forward. On a lighter note, getting the repeating "Sing cu-cu nu sing cu-cu" pes from Sumer is icumen in is absolutely fatal, again a short, repeating passage that doesn't require thought and just gets put on a tape loop in the back of the brain. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you are on to something. I recall having similar feelings about Sibelius in the past, but I will need to go back and listen to it again to be sure. I wonder if we are talking about cadence and tonality here. Coincidentally, I was thinking about this earlier when I was listening to the news on NPR, BBC, CBC, and ABC (and others) and comparing the way announcers read the news. There's a distinct modulation and inflection unique to each nation that gives a kind of addtional overlay of importance to the content. That's a bit of a tangent, but I wonder if there's something similar in music that the brain latches on to and can't let go. Viriditas (talk) 09:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People who don't drink coffee get earworms too. HiLo48 (talk) 09:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hear you, but in my case, it's always brought on by coffee for some weird reason. Viriditas (talk) 09:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

D**n this question. I've got Finlandia stuck now! Grrr. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know Finlandia, but a fair substitute is the Marseillaise ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Black Coffee In Bed is a catchy as hell song... --Jayron 32 11:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fantistic song. "Now she's gone / And I'm out with her friend" :) SN54129 13:01, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [reply]
I gave up coffee a few years back after drinking it daily for decades. And I have more earworms than ever. The latest is the theme song for the 21st century version of All Creatures Great and Small, although bad commercial jingles and 70s era one hit wonders often intrude. So, count me as a sample of one against the caffeine theory. Cullen328 (talk) 08:03, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

Red wine

A wine distributor told me something unusual in the store today. She said that cheap red wine (cheap is anything under US$50 according to her!) has coloring added to it that can stain your teeth, but more expensive wine does not. Is there any truth to this bubbe meise or am I just as gullible as I look? Viriditas (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not in Australian wine. There could be rare exceptions, but I've worked in several wineries, visited a lot more, and have been collecting knowledge on the industry for more than half a century. HiLo48 (talk) 09:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The only time I ever heard about something close to this idea, was the buzz about the Chinese counterfeit wine controversy a few years before the pandemic. In that instance, there was apparently an Asian black market for expensive wine (because the Chinese were buying a lot of it, but the wineries couldn't make enough, so the story goes), and according to that tale, coloring would be added to match the style and type. There were several notable articles about the phenomenon. Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The federal regulation Materials authorized for the treatment of wine and juice has a specific list. The list includes tannin, but "Only tannin which does not impart color may be used in the cellar treatment of juice or wine". Card Zero (talk) 11:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Apparently, tannins are implicated as the leading cause of tooth stains. Viriditas (talk) 11:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was also the 1985 Austrian diethylene glycol wine scandal, but wines made or imported into the EU are very strictly regulated now. From May this year, all additives which are, or potentially might be used have to be described on the label (these seem to be mainly ‘acidity regulators’ and ‘stabilising agents’ as well as carbon dioxide for fizz). [1] I couldn't find any mention of added colouring. Alansplodge (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except, tannins are also present in wine even if not added. So, the wine shop could just be bullshitting you (if you give me more of your money, you'll get better wine. I'm sure they have no ulterior motive there!). See also Phenolic content in wine which discusses the matter. --Jayron 32 12:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jubilee Manufacturing Company \Omaha, Nebraska

It seams like this American Icon company in Omaha, Nebraska just vanished off the face of the earth. 1905 until roughly 1980. They made a lot of OEM Horns for vehicles of many types. It sort of appears that they folded due to not paying their taxes. But why, couldn't they have left the company to a family member or something. What happened to them. A lot of car collectors are collecting their horns and their is no information on them. I just bought a new 1980's jubilee model 101 horn that takes cartridges and I have no idea how to get some. Me and a lot of collectors would like to know the story of this company and their is very little information to be found? 74.70.8.221 (talk) 09:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the company is inactive but has not formally been dissolved.^[2] Some nostalgic glimpses are offered here and here. --Lambiam 11:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To the OP, what kind of cartridge does your horn need? Philvoids (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing the OP will take any cartridge. It seems the cartridges played different tunes depending on the cartridge inserted. Kinda like a game console. See https://rochester.craigslist.org/wan/d/batavia-wanted-jubilee-electric-music/7648342785.html for what it looked like. 41.23.55.195 (talk) 05:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contacting scrap dealers could be a good option. You might be able to source a component from a car that's otherwise junk. Blythwood (talk) 17:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 1