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David Velasco, editor in chief of Artforum

I just created an article for David Velasco. He was recently fired from his position at Artforum over the magazine’s publication of a letter signed by thousands of artists in support of a ceasefire in Gaza. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 04:23, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting this. Just updated the page and I understand why you posted about him here.Historyday01 (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be honest, I don't. Not really sure how this is a WikiProject LGBT subject concern Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 00:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He's a member of the LGBTQ+ community, that means his biography is in-scope for the WikiProject. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 15:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that at first, myself, but found an article where he talked about his boyfriend. Historyday01 (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Erin Swenson

Hello all - I have created a new article on Erin Swenson, a trans woman Presbyterian Minister from the United States. If anyone has any more information or improvements to the article, please let me know. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 23:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFC relevant to this WikiProject

Hello! I'm posting here to notify this WikiProject that an RFC that may be relevant to it has started regarding the definition of sex. Loki (talk) 07:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reassessment requested for Importance level on a C-class article

Talk:Gay and Lesbian Teachers and Students Association

Currently set at C-Class, which is probably about right. However, a great deal of work has been done since the article was created, so can someone please take a look and see if this should be changed to Mid Importance in the Education Project category (I have also posted the request on that Talk page)? Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Ball culture requested move and Sol Pendavis Williams

Requested move and redirect for discussion (Sol Pendavis Williams) over at Talk:Ball culture - any input from this WikiProject would be appreciated! GnocchiFan (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT theatre

I have just created a very inadequate stub article about LGBT theatre. Would people be interested in expanding it, and creating links to it from other relevant articles?

I've also created List of LGBT theatre companies, which is similarly impoverished, as it is limited entirely to Anglophone countries. Perhaps this should be updated to a more global perspective, together with the addition of the relevant articles? — The Anome (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity

Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 12:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Griffith

I created a page for AIDS and sexual activist Keith Griffith. However, in set up I erred, and created the page with his unused first name of Darrell. Darrell_Keith_Griffith When I went to move it to 'Keith Griffith' there was an auto conflict due to a prexisting page for a baseball player of the same name. Ugh! If someone knows how to create a disambiguation page, and then rename the page, please do. MisterWizzy (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I named it Keith Griffith (activist). If it turns out that this Keith Griffith is more popular than that Keith Griffith, it can be switched around. Let me know if you have any questions! Wracking talk! 08:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much MisterWizzy (talk) 08:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Ball culture#Requested move 13 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ball culture#Requested move 13 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some additional context for everyone: the proposal is to move articles titled History of transgender people in X to Transgender history in X.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review of LGBT in the Ottoman Empire

Hi everyone - just letting this WikiProject know that a Peer Review of LGBT in the Ottoman Empire (with the intention of improving this to Good Article status) is currently under way. If anyone has anything to add to the article / review, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! GnocchiFan (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting peer review for Draft:Trans history in Brazil

I just finished translating Draft:Trans history in Brazil (wrote it on eswiki first) and would appreciate some peer review before I publish! Thanks in advance, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC) (formerly the TheTranarchist)[reply]

Looks like a good contribution. Two things I might recommend, but feel free to disagree:
  • The lead might be a little long. Particularly the third paragraph which names 6 different organisations. No doubt such groups are important, but if this part was briefer it gives people a reason to read on (MOS:LEAD) and find the details in the body.
  • The name trans history vs transgender history. I guess 'transgender history' is more formal, and might be just a little clearer for a general audience. But naming conventions change (e.g. we mostly say gay rather than homosexual today) so I'm open minded on this. I guess 'transgender history in Brazil' might make the article easier to find (both on wiki in searches and in Google) but that's a small tidbit.
You have made a thorough and much needed contribution. Well done.
Zenomonoz (talk) 22:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I was worried about the first point myself and will try to summarize it further. For the second, I'd support having "transgender history" as a redirect, but the sources are clear that trans is the umbrella term used in the country, particularly due to the fact travestis are such as a large chunk of the trans population and don't consider themselves transgender. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Your explanation on the naming convention persuaded me. A redirect sounds fine. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per the discussion that kicked off at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023, bringing this over here.
Due to various policies on en-wiki, WP:CONSISTENT most prominently, the article should still be called Transgender, as that is the WP:COMMONNAME used in en-wiki, thus following WP:ENGLISHNAME as the Umbrella term for Trans identities (wikt:en:transgender), whereas Trans is an ambiguous abbrevation and should be avoided per WP:TITLEFORMAT.
This itself is also consistent with the sibling article of Transgender rights in Brazil, which also uses the term Transgender, even though it discusses the rights at large and also mentions Travesti.
The article should absolutetely have a paragraph section that actually discusses the term and how it's use is contentious in Brazil, which itself appears to be historically rooted, reading the Terminology section on Travesti (gender identity). Raladic (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think a terminology section is a great idea! There's already some mention chronologically in the body (mention of various genders in the 60s and the rejection of transgender and move to trans in the late 90s) and during my research I came upon many relevant sources I can pull from in addition to those in the Travesti article. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some edits, mostly basic copy edits. Let me know if you have questions. Given the article's content, I think Trans history in Brazil is the appropriate title and that all associated sub-titles should be redirects (e.g, Travesti history in Brazil).
Scattered notes: See MOS:SCAREQUOTES; I removed a lot of unnecessary (non-scare) quotation marks, but double-check that all other uses are appropriate. The lead is still too long (see MOS:LEADLENGTH for guidance); removing most names/mentions of specific events should help pare it down. Other than that, I think this article is a bit under-linked – take advantage of the wonderful {{Lang}} template (which I botched linking in my edit summary haha).
Seriously, a great contribution!
Wracking talk! 08:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I think they all seem appropriate at this point. And agree on the travesti redirect, on eswiki we made redirects for transgender, transsexual, and travesti. I trimmed the lead further and added some more interlanguage links! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now published! I also created the redirects and added/fixed links to it on various articles/templates. Peer review still welcome ofc. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 02:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT history in New England

Hi all, I've been working on some pages covering American LGBT history in New England (so far, LGBT history in Massachusetts, Draft:LGBT history in Connecticut, and Draft:LGBT history in Rhode Island). Any contributions are welcome! ForsythiaJo (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I did some work on that a while back, and if I have time, I'll get back in the swing of that again. Historyday01 (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Transgender history/rights in X

I just finished some tables on the current state of our articles of the format "Transgender history in X"/"Transgender rights in X". I think y'all would be interested as it's a decent guide for the work that's already done and needs to be done. Additional notes/edits to the table are welcome! It's currently located at User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist/sandbox but if people are interested I could move it to a subpage of this project or something. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Raladic and @Maddy from Celeste since we were discussing this. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I probably won't have time to do anything with this in the immediate future (I'm in the middle of reviewing a very substantial number of gender studies sources for Cisnormativity), but I would definitely support finding a permanent home for this very useful list. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for help: Brittney Chantele

I've written an article about Brittney Chantele, a queer musician, artist, and activist. The article was declined for style and I'm hoping that someone can help me with it so that it can be published: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brittney_Chantele - I'd really appreciate it! Lovemedead (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Lovemedead! At a glance, it looks like most of the sources in your draft are either interviews with Chantele, or announcements and the like. In order to write neutrally, you should find sources that fulfill the test at WP:42. That is, they should be reliable, independent of Chantele, and they must provide significant coverage of them, meaning they should talk about them in some length. Then, write your article looking at these and only these sources. Some minor details may be completed using other kinds of sources, but these are the most important ones. Hope this helps. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Lovemedead (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone in and done some copyediting (rephrasing, removing overlinking, some ref cleanup) and tried to remove some statements that might be interpreted as promotional. I'll second Maddy from Celeste, if possible you should also find some more non-interview sources about Chantele. Best of luck! :) ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Lovemedead (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation template

I have created an template to invite editors to the project, located at Template:WikiProject LGBT studies invite. Please have a look at it & suggest any changes here. Peaceray (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How/if to mention preferred pronoun in an article?

Specifically Desmond is Amazing. It's currently in an invisible note, I just reverted an in-text mention. What is the WP-good way here? Source for "they" is [1]. Also, more eyes on the article can't hurt, it has a troubled past. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many articles add a footnote to the first pronoun referring to the subject, and/or mention it in the "Personal life" section. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I actually did add it as a footnote at one point, but someone changed it to hidden text. Is there any written guidance on this particular point? Atm, there are no sections, but that may come. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No guidelines on this that I know of, it's just what I have seen done at a number of articles. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant guideline on pronoun use is MOS:GENDERID (with the explanatory supplement MOS:GIDINFO); neither seems to explicitly discuss this. Agree with Maddy that the explanatory footnote strategy is one which seems to be frequently used, and it seems sensible to me. (This somewhat related RfC found that, specifically for articles about subjects who use neopronouns, Wikipedia should use singular they but mention the subject's pronoun preference in the article, and mentions footnotes as one possible place to include this mention). Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No objection from me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For subjects that go by singular they or neopronouns, I usually include that information, with citations, in the text of the "personal life" section. I will often do the same for non-binary subjects who go by binary pronouns, as well-meaning editors sometimes mistake binary pronouns for misgendering in such cases. Funcrunch (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Maddy from Celeste, @Funcrunch, could you each link me a couple of examples you consider good? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
maia arson crimew, a GA, has the footnote after the name because she also uses a lowercase name and the footnote is then also used for the pronouns. Elliot Page has the footnote after a pronoun like I described. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here are a few relevant trans/nb bios I started: Megan Rohrer, Leah Harvey, Jin Maley. Funcrunch (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, I didn't know Foundation was a tv-series. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's very, very different from the books from what I understand, but I love it. (Sorry, off-topic...) Funcrunch (talk) 18:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I started it, didn't I? ;-) I'd expect as much, Asimov didn't really do action. He did do THE PRIME OF LIFE though, great poem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"There are only two true sexualities" she asserted, "those for whom Lee Pace is an option, and those for whom he is not. And if I ever finally meet a member of that latter group, I'm going to ask them to explain." -- Nat Gertler (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC) [reply]

Mary East

The article for Mary East/James How is in a pretty dire state. The article is named Mary East and opens by describing the subject as “a female dressed as a man”, but the rest of the article calls the subject James How, uses he/him, and uses terms such as “pre-transition” and “dead name”, implying that the subject’s gender identity was definitely male. Plus, from what I can tell, the subject’s gender identity is nowhere near clear enough to make any definitive claims one way or the other. I’m not sure of the standards for situations like this, so I’m mentioning it here. MRN2electricboogaloo (talk) 06:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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