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Substantial edits at the Dorje Shugden article
Dear editor I like to draw your attention to that specific article, Dorje Shugden, which was substantially changed by a group of three new editors, without any discussion on the talk page. Rather one of the new editor revealed: "Many of these changes were discussed between at least three of the editors." which must have happened outside of WP, because there is no discussion on the talk page or their WP-accounts. One of the new editors claimed: "You seem to be the only person who accepted this article as it was. If you check you will see that the changes made make this article more neutral and unbiased then it was before previous edits." If I check I see the article omitted different POV's, deleted verified passages, included passages from anonymous websites and turned the article to a more bias Pro-Shugden POV. I'd like to ask you to check that and to give your opinion or to collaborate if there is a need for improving the article, so that we can have an unbiased, neutral, well-informed article which fairly presents all POV's. Thank you very much, --Kt66 (talk) 19:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- I left a note there now, I also informed other editors of the article but one said, this kind of Spam is not appropriate. So I think at least there is now some attention on it. --Kt66 (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, you know better how to inform and what is acceptable and what not. I just looked on the history of the article and wrote persons who made contributions, so I found you in the history. Nice to meet you. :-) --Kt66 (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Marvel titles
Is there a reason that you're depopulating? - jc37 05:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Rationale All of these comics are already in a subcategory (e.g. Category:Punisher titles.) Cf. Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories. By the way, thanks for asking respectfully and not being aggressive; you have no idea how much I appreciate that. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough.
- To take it a step further, though, I shouldn't have had to ask. (I merely wish to save you from needless drama and possible discord.)
- Please use more accurate edit summaries when using tools like AWB (and really, anytime).
- Something like: Removing member of subcategory from parent category
- If you'd like/need further help with configuring AWB, I'll point to you User:Black Falcon. (I may ask him to check on you anyway : )
- Thanks for the clarification. - jc37 06:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Of course That's an area where I'm spotty - sometimes I'll throw in "Remove cat. per WP:CfD" or the like, but you're right, it should be there always. Thanks. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Uh huh. "(clean up using AWB)" just doesn't explain, especially for mass multiple page changes - except for truly minor edits/cleanup, Thanks again : ) - jc37 06:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Of course That's an area where I'm spotty - sometimes I'll throw in "Remove cat. per WP:CfD" or the like, but you're right, it should be there always. Thanks. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Category deletion on my user page
How do you edit user pages, by hand or by bot/script? - LA @ 09:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Please skip my page when removing categories, I like keeping the red links. Thanks! - LA @ 20:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Category removal
I see that you've removed Category:Greek Wikipedians from Template:User Greek, with an edit summary of: "removing deleted cat."
Needless to say, it hasn't been deleted, or even nominated for deletion in the last week or so.
And I can't find the category deleted in this edit or this edit, among many others.
I'm concerned now.
What's going on? - jc37 18:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Greeks The category from the user template was a mistake - I appreciate you pointing it out; I must have gotten it confused with the ancestry category that was actually nominated. The other edits are automatic conversions that are suggested by AWB, e.g. turning HTML tags to wiki markup. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I think you may be a good and enthusiastic editor, for the most part. However, your use of AWB looks to be in violation of it's rules of usage. I've asked Black Falcon for his insight (as I mentioned I would), and am contemplating whether your usage should be reviewed for removal. This isn't personal in any way. It's just that your edits in the last few days, at the very least, have been, in my opinion, reckless. (See Be bold, but not reckless in editing, for what I mean.) This could be considered disruptive activity.
- I'm going to respectfully ask that you refrain from further usage of AWB or similar tools until this is resolved.
- Thank you for your consideration. - jc37 19:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- No worries Your comments are well-taken and I'll abide by your request. In point of fact, I'll take this opportunity to look at WP:AWB again. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for understanding. - jc37 19:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- No worries Your comments are well-taken and I'll abide by your request. In point of fact, I'll take this opportunity to look at WP:AWB again. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I've commented at User_talk:Black_Falcon#AWB_concerns. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, just to follow up: there've been some additional comments at my talk page that you may want to take a look at. Cheers, Black Falcon (Talk) 07:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Please leave my user page alone. Thanks. Paul Beardsell (talk) 02:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- (1) I do not claim exclusive ownership of my home page. I ask you to obey the convention of leaving it alone. (2) The removal of the category in question was done improperly - the correct process was not followed. (3) The adoption at Wikipedia of the term "Linux" to refer to the operating system more properly referred to as GNU/Linux takes a particular POV in a highly politicised debate in the Free &/or Open Source movement(s), and should be deprecated as per NPOV. (4) There is no need to remove the category, it can co-exist with the others. Paul Beardsell (talk) 12:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Tinucherian (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Why did you invite me? -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 03:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ah Makes sense. I'll take a look. I don't know if it would be fair for me to commit right now. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Links
Do you know that you should not link years by themselves? You should only link 3 December 1986, like so.
Speedy category moves
Just a reminder, do not make any category moves unless the original category has been tagged for renaming (speedy or regular). If necessary, tag the category and relist it at CFD for two more days, so people have a chance to comment if they want to. Thanks! --Kbdank71 18:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Sometimes I get a little ahead of myself. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
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not waiting 48 hours
Hi. You may want to pay a little closer to the time stamp on CFD speedies. They are supposed to be up for 48 hours before being handled. This one wasn't. As of this notice, it still had roughly 8 hours to go.--Rockfang (talk) 06:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
moving articles
Hi there, you moved articles like Assyrians/Syrians in Germany to Assyrians and Syrians in Germany with the comment: remove hierarchy. Should articles Assyrians/Syriacs in Lebanon, Assyrians/Syriacs in Syria, Assyrians/Syriacs in Sweden and Assyrians in Turkey also be moved to new titles like Assyrians and Syriacs in ... ? AramaeanSyriac (talk) 14:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I like to get your opinion
Hi Justin, regarding the Shugden Article, there is a Western group which makes claims of "banning" and "persecution" which is a theory of that group. They are very powerful making Media campaigns, and past press articles found out, that almost nothing they claimed were true (The Guardian). Now they started again a media campaign and of course whish to put it in that article. I have nothing against it, but it must also be wighted by evidence, and what they claims contradicts all other sources, as it was also in the past. About their actual campaign and view have reported only two very minor (as far as I can see) online press articles. My request to you is: how deals WP with that? Can you offer advise at the talk page? You can see in the history how I changed Truthsayer62's inclusion. Do you think the addition of the POV template is reasonable? Thank you very much, --Kt66 (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you! --Kt66 (talk) 20:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Hy Koavf
Hy dude, i'm new at this, i guess i would like for you to help me. How do you merge two articles? Because Cayo Sila Godoy and Sila Godoy talk of the same guy. Thanks, greetings from Paraguay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando B. (talk • contribs) 20:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please clarify what you mean by the db tag on this image? J Milburn (talk) 17:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry. I'll contact the IP. J Milburn (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I've been getting a fair amount of commentary [here] and [here] regarding this map. Although I put together the initial map, I have other priorities at the moment. As someone deeply interested in the subject, would you or someone you know be interested in making any necessary edits? Thanks. Konchevnik81 (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
South Park
Why do you keep deleting my post? (Dude7324 (talk) 06:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
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after reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD#Capitalization you should realise that a capitalised “the” is wrong in a lemma like this for Meet the Eels. –(de)jello ¿? 01:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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your continued disregard for CfD processes
Hi, Koavf. I noticed that in the MILF discussion, you emptied the category out of sequence. While clearly this category will be deleted, possibly speedily, I don't understand your constant compulsion to act before the discussion has closed. This is going to get you banned if you keep it up. It's strange to me, because your intentions are clearly in the right place, and you're usually right on point. But you're making people—including me—upset for what appears to be no good reason. Getting banned for doing things everyone will eventually want done makes no sense to me. User:Good Olfactory has asked you to stop, User:Jc37 has asked you to stop, and now I'm asking you to stop. I'd like you to consider heeding our advice, or I expect the next person to comment will do so by cutting off your editing privileges. That can't be what you want, right?--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- (And yes, I've seen your response on MS's talk page, I'm neutral to that specific CFD discussion)
- As we all suggested previously at User talk:Black Falcon, your enthusiasm is great, but please stay within process.
- What you're doing, could be claimed to be an action of being bold. However, that implies not being reckless. And this isn't the first time that others have had such concerns. (Even since the last major discussion we had.)
- I'm sure that everyone appreciates the help, and your enthusiasm. But if someone determines that you're becoming disruptive, you may find yourself blocked as a result. Or at least lose some priviledges, such as the use of AWB.
- So please take what these Wikipedians are suggesting to heart. I can fairly guarantee that Mike Selinker, for one, will not intentionally steer you wrong. Black Falcon noted what I believe to be true, that you're open to advice and not intent on being disruptive. Please do not cause his (or others') faith in you to seem misplaced. - jc37 21:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sure And I think I was being bold without reckless; I can't imagine how removing someone from the category MILF actresses is reckless - at least in terms of this kind of encyclopedia. If Wikipedia was a different kind of project in which that was an acceptable method of categorization, I could see your argument. I have also been reckless before - by carelessness or by deliberation. I'm open to that charge. In this case, I feel like I'm on solid ground. Your points are well-taken, though, and that is precisely why I appealed to Wikipedia: pages rather than my own sense of what seems reasonable. Within the terms of the guidelines and what can be immediately deduced from them, I feel like I've done the right thing. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- That is a fair enough summary of WP:BOLD.
- I'll merely note in response that Kbdank71 restored the category after you depopulated it.
- And while sometimes a category may undergo change during a CFD discussion, due to or as a result of the discussion, typically it's contrary to the guidelines to depopulate a category which is up for CFD before the discussion is closed. This is partially due to the nature of categories. (It's rather difficult to see the prior contents of a category, without searching down whomever deleted the contents.) So such an act can be truly disruptive to the discussion underway.
- So anyway, I suppose I should clarify that this should be considered a warning.
- If you depopulate a category while it's under discussion at CFD, you may be blocked and possibly have your AWB priviledges temporarily or permanently revoked.
- I already know (from your comments) that you are taking this seriously. I'm merely making this clear for procedural reasons. - jc37 21:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sure And I think I was being bold without reckless; I can't imagine how removing someone from the category MILF actresses is reckless - at least in terms of this kind of encyclopedia. If Wikipedia was a different kind of project in which that was an acceptable method of categorization, I could see your argument. I have also been reckless before - by carelessness or by deliberation. I'm open to that charge. In this case, I feel like I'm on solid ground. Your points are well-taken, though, and that is precisely why I appealed to Wikipedia: pages rather than my own sense of what seems reasonable. Within the terms of the guidelines and what can be immediately deduced from them, I feel like I've done the right thing. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Right And you're saying this because you think this is simply how someone else will take it and interpret my actions in light of guidelines, or because you know that what I've done is actually in opposition to the letter of the law? I'm not trying to be aggressive here; I'd really like to know if there is a rule somewhere that states to not do as I've done, rather than an inference that someone else could make based on his understanding of the guidelines. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- That categories should generally not be completely depopulated during an ongoing CFD discussion? It's rather long-standing convention, and should probably be noted "somewhere". (I'll go look after posting this.) However, something need not be codified on a page to be a guideline or policy. In some cases (such as this) it merely need to be current practice or convention. - jc37 21:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- At a minimum, Koavf, you have at least acknowledged in the past that emptying a category during a CFD "might be frustrating" for other users. Since you at least recognize this, I would think that in the interests of adhering to Wikipedia:Don't be inconsiderate, if nothing else, you should not do this anymore, as numerous editors and admins have requested of you. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Right And you're saying this because you think this is simply how someone else will take it and interpret my actions in light of guidelines, or because you know that what I've done is actually in opposition to the letter of the law? I'm not trying to be aggressive here; I'd really like to know if there is a rule somewhere that states to not do as I've done, rather than an inference that someone else could make based on his understanding of the guidelines. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Let me see if I can illustrate why this action of yours is frustrating. When a matter comes up on CfD, one very common action is to look at the articles in the category to see if they belong there. You have made that impossible. So what you're saying is, "For this discussion, I have decided on the information you will evaluate, and I have chosen it to be none at all." That is disrespectful of me and everyone else. Do you still want to debate whether this is okay?--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Consideration In terms of being considerate, your arguments make sense. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I read what you wrote over at Mike's, and I agree. Without sourcing, I have no problem removing an article from a category. The MILF category definitely falls under that, and is almost guaranteed to go. But seeing as there was a CFD that was ongoing, people have the right to know what they are discussing. There are some people that like to keep even a category like that. A better solution would have been to just join the discussion, pointing to any number of reasons for deletion. --Kbdank71 20:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)