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Deletion of {{Persondata}}

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RfC: I Am... Sasha Fierece

Hi. Would you mind weighing in on this RfC, which involves whether this statement should be removed: "I Am... Sasha Fierce received generally mediocre reviews from critics"?; "mediocre" was paraphrased from "lukewarm", verified by these sources: 1, 2, 3. Dan56 (talk) 05:50, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Curious

Was this edit done with a user script ? If so which one ? - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:08, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Mlpearc: No, just a text editor and find and replace. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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:o

Why would you want your phone number on your page? :O - --Jennica✿ ^Talk 05:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: So someone can call me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:51, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you ever get harassment or random texts? --Jennica✿ ^Talk 20:11, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Rarely. It mostly happened back in 2012 when I was briefly in the news. I've been fortunate. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

you were on the news because of Wikipedia? also i don't know if you saw but they really want stuff under Personnel under a subheader instead of bolded. I've seen on some album pages where it's not put into categories and just one big section, so I've been erasing "Production" and stuff. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 21:08, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Look at my userpage for the press--it's kind of embarrassing but it's true. I wrote Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide and I definitely think that subsections of some kind are very useful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: oh my god, you're famous just by writing that! lol - --Jennica✿ ^Talk 02:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: You are. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:55, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Chime in on this RfC?

Hi. Would you be willing to weigh in on this RfC regarding Metacritic should be both added in the prose section and the album ratings template at the same time. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:33, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

side by side tracklist

What do you think about this Desire (Bob_Dylan_album) -- the tracklisting side by side? I've never seen that. Do you think it's against the style guideline? also i believe critical reception is in the wrong spot but maybe i'm just being picky --Jennica✿ ^Talk 08:31, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I think your intuition is correct: this seems like a bad layout for smaller devices and screens. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

ok i'll weed through the rest of the discog and fix them. thanks @Koavf: --Jennica✿ ^Talk 04:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

another question

Would you agree this page is a mess? Blonde on Blonde? Like I don't even know where to begin. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 01:52, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Scanning it--not actually reading the content--the only problem I see is excessive un-free media: one photo and three sound clips is too much. What do you have in mind? A lot of Bob Dylan album articles have trivial bloat and unreferenced sections. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - Just the bloat under the recording section. I don't know, I guess the whole thing seems bloated. So many subheaders. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 02:32, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: It's definitely long but there are near-infinite sources about every detail of his life and recordings, so it seems like it's legit. This is how it looked when it passed FA, for what it's worth. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - I guess that's better haha. hope i'm not bothering you with the questions. i am very inquisitive. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 02:38, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: There is no scenario where I am bothered by someone asking about Wikipedia and trying to make it better. How was your Hallowe'en? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: Ok thanks. And it was a non-event. I woke up at 4PM and had some reeses peanut butter cups heh. you? --Jennica✿ ^Talk 02:52, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I worked for 12.5 hours (just now leaving). I am dressed like failure. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:54, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Template:Album ratings

Hi again. Would you be willing to weigh in this RfC regarding AnyDecentMusic? should be added in the album ratings template like Metacritic, because the website is another review aggregator. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

wikimail

If you didn't get my email, let me know-- no rush, I'm feeling guilty about 4 others who have been waiting for contact. I just feel I can't focus yet. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC) m

@Leahtwosaints: I did! I am just getting caught up on my one day off a week. <3 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Help on Genius.

Hello! Thank you for answering my question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#Genius as a reliable source. After what you said some users keep ignoring the fact that Genius is an open wiki and try to keep this up as a reliable source, treating my edits as an edit warring. What can i do to clear this up? Thanks. Anonpediann (talk) 21:51, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Anonpediann: Where? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: Sorry, at Nightride and its talk page. Anonpediann (talk) 21:59, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Navbox question

At the bottom of this page, it has the albums listed. "Adam and Eve" should be bolded to indicate the current page you're viewing. How do I do this? The next album has it but I can't figure out how to do it and I don't know what it's called so I can't reference it elsewhere. Thanks --Jennica✿ ^Talk 10:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: It's good now. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - It's not showing the album bolded. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 21:12, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Bold and italics. Check the source of the page. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - maybe there's a miscommunication. I'm talking about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Catherine_Wheel --Jennica✿ ^Talk 01:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Sorry--somehow I missed this. When the template is transcluded on the page, the album title "Adam and Eve" is both bolded and italicized. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:32, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

"In popular culture" vs "Cultural references"

What is your stance on this? Wikipedia:Help_desk#Are_admins_always_right.3F. Also how do I get the archives to show up in my talk archives page? --Jennica✿^{Ping Me!} 13:02, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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	For being a certified legend! Jennica✿ talk / contribs 14:04, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Takes one to know one, J. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:04, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks. I'm not near any kind of legend status [yet] :P

I was wondering.. I like doing mundane tasks. I was told when using AWB I could get in trouble for so many edits within a minute. If I were to go through and change all reflist | colwidth=30 to 30em, could I get permission to fly through those real fast? It's a depreciated code as you might know. Also if I could go through and do the "reflist|3" and change them all to 30em? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Using AWB excessively quickly will flood Special:RecentChanges and if you have something that is really an automated task, having a bot do it is usually better for a few reasons: they can be marked with the flood flag so that they are ignored by certain reports and if you have a bot then you will have to pass through a process of review and consensus. In your example of changing reflist|3 to reflist|30em there may be some reasons to use a different parameter. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:04, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: oh yeah that makes sense. How do we get a bot to do that? And someone told me that reflist|2 and I'm assuming 3 is depreciating, Template:Reflist#Columns that's why I was asking about changing them all. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 06:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I agree that instances of {{Reflist}} should definitely be changed to something that is spaced so that browsers can fill in the references. If you want a bot, you can see WP:BOTREQUEST. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:36, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Personnel question

Hello again. I have a question regarding Personnel this time. After looking at the Personnel section on the album style guide, I need some clarification. I "overhaul" a lot of personnel sections but it doesn't say anything about this in the guide. Appetite_for_Destruction#Personnel for instance. The engineers are all clumped together [and even has a swear word in it, which is another question]. They should definitely be un-clumped correct? And I know the F word may be from the album liner notes but does that mean it should be wiki like that? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 06:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Per the style guide (as well as common sense), we should not include every person just because he's listed in the credits. So "special thanks" and "tattoos" are not roles that need to be explained in our articles--especially since they are sometimes virtually endless. As far as the clumping "Joe, John, Jane – producers", I am definitely against that, especially since sometimes Joe is also an engineer or Jane made the album cover. It makes it needlessly complex in my opinion. Just list everyone in alphabetical order with some minor division between the main performer(s) and everyone else and that is the most logical system in most cases. The other big alternative is when personnel change from song to song and you list them by song. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - ok thanks again! Everything you said was already what I had been going by. So I'll fix that personnel section. thanks! --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 07:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: You're a rock star. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: thank you!! - and another question [I am very inquisitive].. "Personnel" vs "Credits and personnel". I keep seeing both [Personnel mainly]. There is no rule on it. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 02:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I would use "personnel" because "credits" could lead you down the rabbit hole of all of the "thank you"s and "tattoo artist"s mentioned above--clearly those aren't personnel even if they are listed in some credits. I'm thankful for you this year, Jennica. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: don't make me blush lol! and thanks. i will change these but I feel like it might catch a little flack with some users. I am particular and adamant about consistency involving album pages! --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 02:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: As am I. It's very rare that something shouldn't be standardized, especially when it comes to about half of the content and 90% of the structure of a page about an album. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - what should i say in the edit summary? there's nothing to refer users to regarding this unless just WP:MOSALBUMS --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 02:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: You can just do "per the example in WP:MOSALBUMS" or "standardizing sections". At least, that's what I would do. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Image

What to do about this? Andrew Giddings - too many images in my opinion for how little content and very strange photo choices. Removing them from the page doesn't feel right..

Also. How does one become an admin? I've just come across and admin who leaves bare references everywhere :O --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 13:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I removed one picture--it was a little blurry and I don't know that it added much to the article. One becomes an admin through the RfA process. First, someone nominates you (this can be yourself), and then you are asked questions and other users vote. I have done this a couple of times and like an idiot, I always seem to give my common sense answers to these questions rather than what they are intended to be--quizzing that appeals to policy and guidelines explicitly. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: - weird question: can admins get in trouble for that kind of thing? not adhering the general upkeep of the site? it seems so ironic to me... and it drives me a little nuts thinking about it how someone with "the power" is not helping with the general upkeep. i know it's really minor and all. I did message him but he hasn't replied back [despite editing stuff after I sent a message to his talk]. I corrected many of his articles. It felt sort of odd asking an admin to please not leave bare references. i thought they'd all know not to do that.

Also, another question [I know, I know..] - is it "Charts" or "Chart positions". I see both but in the MOS, it just says "Charts". I realize I might be pedantic. sorry! --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 23:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Those are reasonable questions. Admins are users just like you who aren't required to do any particular work (although an inactive admin may have his advanced rights removed). As long as his edits aren't detrimental to the encyclopedia, then you could ask politely or tag his edits or use a script to fix them but there's no real process for correcting the behavior other than that. And, of course, everyone makes mistakes or just gets busy and is in a hurry. But I agree that it is a minor frustration. I always use "Chart positions" because "Charts" can mean any kind of chart/graph. I realize in practice that no one is including pie graphs in album articles but I still feel like it's better to use a phrase which is clear rather than a single word which is slightly ambiguous. Nitpick on my part. Thanks for being so active. Happy Thanksgiving, fellow editor. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hmm - I always try to take your word for it because you wrote [most if not all?] the MOS... but some people have disagreed with me about it. interesting to me. it's not like I'm the only one who has ever put it on an album page.. I've seen it on several! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 04:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: This kind of stuff drives me up the wall--that's why I tried to standardize a lot of this awhile ago. But others have different opinions and it's not like there was really that much of a consensus. The whole thing about style is that one or another way could be correct in a given context. It bothers me when they are different across articles, though. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

- it looks like they've followed me around and changed it, too, and they're just saying "avoid heading". Why though? They never said. If they want me to stop, why not address it to me? The lack of consistency is what drives me nuts too. Oh well, I suppose. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 05:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: You could try asking. Sometimes it actually helps to talk to one another rather than past--sometimes not, of course. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I forgot I already asked him -- i'm so forgetful. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 05:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

PS: what really annoys me is the format that editors seem to have taken with the singles/song pages. the songs wikiproject says it's a sister project to the albums project, so it's supposed to sort of follow the MOSALBUM... I was told that S&M (song) is the go-to example for song article formats. I barely ever touch the formatting on songs now. I'd rather there be a direct MOS of the page I'm editing and there isn't one for Single songs specifically. I don't want to get reamed for doing something "out of the norm" lol. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 05:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: What's really crazy is that maybe a decade ago, there was consensus to merge {{Infobox single}} and {{Infobox song}} but we've just never done it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Chart succession box

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well @Koavf:.

I come with another question. This time regarding succession boxes, which to my understanding belong at the bottom. This one however, has references in it and when I move it to the bottom, it creates a second reflist. Should I leave it or it there a way to format it besides removing the references? I've seen the reflists with the "reflist" part and then a list of links succeeding it.. i wonder if that can be done?--Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 21:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I was busy in meatspace for a few days. It's good to have these templates in case a web site changes its structure (like Rolling Stone or AllMusicGuide have done in the years since I've been here, breaking thousands of links). It's a little cumbersome but totally worth it. I am a big fan of moving references to the {{Reflist}} template to keep the main text of an article more clean and accessible but that's not really much o fa problem with these chart successions since they are fairly logical tables anyway. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: oh.. I might have not explained it well enough. I was talking about these kinds of succession boxes: A_Hard_Day's_Night_(album)#Chart_succession - I believe the correct placement is beneath the reflist like so: Hello_Nasty. It's not really stated in the album guide but the rule is that nav boxes on other kinds of pages go on the bottom like "Hello Nasty". PS: I've come across a user who had a sockpuppet account and it was 'banned', now they're back to making edits for awhile now. sloppy edits. so why isn't their current account blocked for good? --Jennica✿ / ^talk 06:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Oh no--I misread you. I don't know that there has ever been a clear idea about placement--I usually do it at the bottom of the page like it's a navbox, since it leads you away to other articles. Many editors today don't insert them or outright remove them. If there's an editor who is using sockpuppets and hasn't been stopped, it's only because an admin hasn't noticed yet. If you post to WP:AN, then I'm sure they will be glad for it. Was your Thanksgiving good? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Koavf: I'll look into the AN thing. My Thanksgiving was just okay.. I didn't spend it with anybody but it's ok :) - --Jennica✿ / ^talk 22:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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Notable vs un-notable?

Is this addition the page notable or could it be deleted? Blackwater_(Altan_album)#Live_performances ? - thanks [and sorry if these questions are annoying] --Jennica✿ / ^talk 00:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: I don't know that it's notable unless you put it in some context, like the band toured and performed this song but never that song, etc. Something. But this is unreferenced, so it should be deleted anyway. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:46, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

"Impersonation" on Reddit

You may wish to contact reddit about the subreddit in this edit [1]. It seems our mutual vandal sock cow cleaner has now taken to impersonating you on reddit.SephyTheThird (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@SephyTheThird: Someone alerted me there as well. Wonder where he'll appear next. Thanks, Sephy. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

IMSLP supercategory

Hi! I noticed that you've created Category:Articles with International Music Score Library Project links. It was a good idea, thanks! But I think that it'd be even better if we had two different subcategories for composers and works. Would you mind if I go ahead and edit the template in order to implement this? Is there anyone using this category that should be informed of the proposed changes (bot owners, maybe)? —capmo (talk) 02:42, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Capmo: No and no! Go for it. Thanks for asking first. You could even keep the container category so that we see all links to the Project and then have the two subcats as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Nice! I did as you suggested. Regards, —capmo (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

reception

Do you agree with this? I thought reception would mainly be used for a combo of critical and commercial. Critical reception feels correct to me because it's talking about critics reception of it. I've seen some FAs that don't coincide with the MOSALBUM.. so I don't think his reasoning is unjustified. PS: I thought you were an admin for a bit lol that's why I was asking you all those questions about blocked users and other adminy stuff. sorry! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 14:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: It's true that the style guide isn't so normative simply because a lot of what I wrote was implicit rather than explicit (e.g. alphabetical order for listing personnel). I still stand behind my rationale but explaining that rationale in the style guide would probably be wise (and open up a discussion about best practices, etc.) No need to apologize--that happens to me regularly. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh alright. I guess I'll leave it be. There are some things I wish that were a little more explicit and less vague in the MOSALBUM... then perhaps I wouldn't ask so many questions haha --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: True. Maybe we can have more discussion at WT:ALBUM or you can go ahead and clarify things yourself--it's a wiki! If you're confused, others probably are too. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:08, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm blanking how I would even start such a topic! Lemme marinate on it for a bit I guess. I have a bad memory -- but there's always some things that I think could be improved on. Like Charts vs Chart positions, etc. It could get really pedantic. lol --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: But pedantism is the point of a MoS. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:21, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Good point! Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#MOSALBUM_Vague_Terms --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I had a feeling nobody would agree with me. they're all pretty much saying I'm being pedantic. smh --Jennica✿ / ^talk 23:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Evidently. I get their point--it's not even that they're wrong. Just keep on doing what you're doing, I suppose. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Atomic Age

Hello, there are vandals that were attacking Atomic Age so could you please either protect the page or block the vandals that had not been blocked yet. Thank you. CLCStudent (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@CLCStudent: I'm not an admin here. You can post on WP:AN. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, sorry for bothering you. CLCStudent (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@CLCStudent: No problem! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

www.wikisource.org

Can you comment? Why can't I post this message at oldwikisource:Talk:Main Page or oldwikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium? The message: "What pages do you mean? I enter any WS in the top ten and see completely different numbers..." --Infovarius (talk) 14:56, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Infovarius: I don't know why you would have a problem there. You have posted before and you are not blocked locally or globally. What is it you are trying to say? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't tell what the problem. It is spam filter (or abuse filter). But I can't find any bad words in my message. --Infovarius (talk) 11:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

@Infovarius: With that message above? Copy and paste it here please. Alternately, you may be editing a page which has previously had a bad word added and the spam filter has changed since then--that will catch you sometimes. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to create new post with the title "Numbers at the main page" and text "What pages do you mean? I enter any language edition in the top ten and see completely different numbers... ~~~~". Now I've got a hint from User:Ankry at my discussion page, so I'll try to overcome this. --Infovarius (talk) 10:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Now it works! So the problem was having <2 edits at this wiki... --Infovarius (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Surprise (Better Than Ezra album)

Hi,

I saw that back in June 2011 you did a redirect of what I assume was an actually article for Better Than Ezra's debut album Surprise. I found it rather strange that there wasn't an article for it here on Wikipedia and I've been debating whether or not to write one. But unless I'm misinterpreting something here, it appears there was an article for it at one time and you redirected it. If that was the case, could you tell me why you redirected it? I'm guessing it had something to do with the fact that it was a cassette-only album at the time. Whatever your reasons were for redirecting it, I was wondering if you agree it could be put back now the album has been reissued by the band and made available in other formats. Thanks. Shaneymike (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Shaneymike: I did create this redirect but as far as I can tell, there wasn't a previous article by this name. Usually there would be a link in the form of something like Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Surprise_(Better_Than_Ezra_album) but that doesn't exist. Whether or not an article can be created is contingent not on whether it's been released but how many sources there are to discuss it in some meaningful fashion. E.g. there was an article for Chinese Democracy for several years before it was released because there were many, many sources discussing it. Similarly, there are nearly infinite albums which do not and will not have articles because they would not be sourced. If you have some sources, then I say go for it! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I've Googled the album, and it looks like there are enough sources to warrant an article. I've written quite a few album articles that I probably should delete at some point as those articles are far less notable than Surprise by BTE. Feel free to visit my user page and go over said articles and let me know what you think. Shaneymike (talk) 14:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I joined Wikipedia recently and have been editing regularly since then, and I now know quite a bit about Wikipedia. I am keen for becoming a student ambassador in my University and conduct activities pertaining to Wikipedia. May I receive your guidelines for becoming a student ambassador?I am new so do you think my application for the student ambassador will be applicable?Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: It's easiest if your university already has something set up or if you at least know a professor who is already interested in using Wikipedia in the classroom. Is that already true for you? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:48, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

First things first, thanks for commenting so quickly.You mean using Wikipedia for educating?Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: Yes, is your university using Wikipedia in a course already? Do you have a relationship with a professor who would like to use Wikipedia in the classroom? I went to training for it--it's really best to do before you try to be a campus ambassador. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Not as of now, but there is a professor who would like to use Wikipedia in classroom and he would be more than happy to do so.Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: I'm glad you're excited. Just guessing from your screenname that you are in India (correct me if I'm wrong): you may want to seek out someone in the Education Program who is from there to give you guidance. I would also recommend that you spend more time getting acquainted with Wikipedia and how it operates--diving into a project without much training or discipline can result in a lot of hardship. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah you are right I am from India and you seem to have lot of knowledge about names which is really cool. You mean an educator for Wikipedia nearby?Adityavagarwal (talk) 07:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: Yes, or one familiar with Indian culture and education. There are some resources on outreach: as well, including some in other Indian languages (e.g. if you know Hindi). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

You mean this link ? I do not think there is any education programs nearby. The cities like Mangalore,etc. which are present in the link are too far from here.Do you know some other link for a list of cities? Perhaps I might have gotten the wrong linkAdityavagarwal (talk) 07:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: There may not be anyone nearby, so training may not be an option. The next best thing is to simply familiarize yourself by editing. I can tell you are learning and enthusiastic but it's important to become really familiar before you try to coordinate a project. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

A project means let us say there is a course named Python, so in the classroom itself while teaching the subject the teacher uses Wikipedia too right? Maybe this link is the right one?Adityavagarwal (talk) 07:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: I would recommend against trying to start any classroom projects now. For them to be successful, you need to put a lot of thought and effort into them. See outreach:Best practices and https://wikiedu.org/. Get a feel for what they say, keep on editing here for a few months, and then try to really think through how you can be an asset to the university and this encyclopedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:49, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

And what do you think about becoming an online ambassador?Adityavagarwal (talk) 08:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Would an edit a thon in the University be counted as a project in order to become a student ambassador?Adityavagarwal (talk) 08:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: I think that an edit-a-thon actually requires a lot more resources since your potential editors won't be students who are obliged to be there. I definitely respect your enthusiasm but it's still pretty early for you to be organizing events--I simply don't want to see you have one fail. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I think as you said I should edit for some more time here then try that.Adityavagarwal (talk) 12:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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Happy Festivus!

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	Air grievances, enjoy meatloaf (vegetarian or not) and challenge others in feats of strength! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Mine will be vegetarian, no doubt. Thanks for the holiday cheer, friend. Same to you and yours. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

LOL, mine too. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:56, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Fate of CFDS. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

2017 Happy New Year!

First of all, thank you very much for promoting me on Wikilivres. The additional rights you gave me there have made contributing to that wiki much more fun and satisfying for me than it had been before. Thank you for the trust and confidence you have shown in me on more than one wiki again this year. I wish you a very Happy New Year! Have a fantastic 2017! . Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Simon Peter Hughes: Simon, I have to admit that it's always a pleasure to bump into you in the WikiSphere. As you may see from some of my edits, I have been dreaming of Taiwan again--maybe I will see you there in 2017! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year Koavf!

Happy New Year!

Koavf,
Have a prosperous, productive and wonderful New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

--Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: I've seen you doing a lot of good work over here too. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 19:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Hinduism

Hello Koavf. I will check his page again when I have some spare time, it seems interesting but complicated. I don't understand Hinduism very well. Thanks for your message and edits. emijrp (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)