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  • Right Back
  • Long Beach Dub Allstars
    • Controversial - see Talk:Right Back - please do not delete, or remove from VfD, without reviewing this conversation.
    • Can someone make up a for/against summary please? -- Tim Starling 07:15 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • For Deletion: It is the word of Michael and his various re-incarnations. It should have been deleted as such long ago like the rest of his page creations. Against: Martin instead of deleting did some work on it. But it should have been deleted when it was created. Michael seems to have gone quiet in the last few days since a wholescale policy of revert and delete everything of his was followed. If such a policy has been followed earlier with articles like these a lot of the recent hazzle with that twerp might never have happened and he might have gone away earlier. FearÉIREANN 01:38 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • I meant "for and against" as in like what I did for the Neutrosophy entry, below. Sorry, I know it was ambiguous. There doesn't seem to have been any discussion on it for the past 10 days. Is this entry going to stay listed indefinitely? Perhaps we need to take a vote. -- Tim Starling 06:37 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:PatriotsLogotype.jpg, Image:AFLLogotype.jpg, Image:BroncosLogotype.jpg, Image:Buffalo_bills_logo.jpg - copyrighted sports logos. -- Zoe 22:21 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Copyrighted, or trademarked, or both? This may be a bit more of a grey area. :-\ -- John Owens 11:01 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Logos are annoying. [Warning: uninformed legal assertions follow] If this were a non-profit encyclopedia without a GFDL license, we'd probably be able to coerce the owners into giving us permission for free. But unfortunately trademarks are incompatible with GFDL. Once licensed to GFDL, another football team could start up using the same logo, citing GFDL's explicit lack of restrictions on reproduction. It's a similar situation with caption requirements on photos. Without more stringent restrictions on reproduction, we can't guarantee photographers will be properly credited. -- Tim Starling 07:16 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Gaia Theory (homeorhic) probably unncessary now
  • Gaia Theory (Lynn Margulis) similarAnthere 23:58 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Policy is to keep redirects. People might still have links or bookmarks. -- JeLuF 11:26 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Policy is not always very "bright". These articles are inside Wikipedia only linked from Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. As for being bookmarked, they have existed (both of them) as real pages, for a grand total of ... about 1 to 2 mn. I doubt very much anyone had the time to bookmark them, and that they would be missed by anyone. Do you have another argument please ? User:anthere
  • List of notable eccentrics: What is the point in this? How can anyone objectively distinguish between when to name-call a person "eccentric" or a "non-eccentric"? This is prone to heavy and silly edit wars, and also violates the NPOV policy. -- Rotem Dan 17:03 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree. LittleDan 20:00 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • If the article is non-NPOV, then convert it to NPOV. If the article one what we don't need, then use redirect. I don't see any reason to delete that permanentally. Redirect is good enough. Don't bother sysops. -- Taku
      • What would you suggest as a reasonable redirection target? I can't imagine any ... -- JeLuF
      • It's not one of our better articles, but I'd say leave it unless some better way of presenting the information can replace it. -- Infrogmation 22:06 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Anti-systemic library (Is this a real thing?)
    • No Google hits if the search is done with quotes. (ie for "Anti-systemic library"). Seconded. Evercat 20:18 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • There are however hits if you search for "systemic library" (in quotes). I'm not quite sure what the point of an anti-systemic library would be, but it's possible. -- goatasaur
    • Firstly, the existence of its opposite in no way shows that the thing itself is important. Secondly, the article is useless anyway. "An anti-systemic library is being created at the London Action Resource Centre in Whitechapel." That in no way helps me to understand what the heck such a thing is. Evercat 20:30 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Assuming it is real, it should be a part of London Action Resource Centre article. --Menchi 21:11 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • That would be grand. Evercat 21:12 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • In case you didn't know: the London Action Resource Centre is also known as Lighthouse Town Hall, the home of the Cartographic Congress and user:Harry Potter's favorite hang-out. The library is almost certainly real, but its importance is questionable. -- Tim Starling 13:34 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Sorry, jumping to conclusions. -- Tim Starling 00:20 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • 22. Caliber Mistitled (The amo is .22 caliber), inaccurate (the number refers to the diameter of the projectile, not the "grains of gunpowder in it"; see Caliber), pov, orphan, and generally useless. -- Infrogmation 05:37 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Don't forget mis-capitalized. -- John Owens 05:40 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Unique - Badly named proof that there is only one identity in a group. If pretified, the proof could be added to the group theory article, but it doesn't deserve an article of its own. -- JeLuF
  • (BET), BET - possible copyright infringement -- JeLuF 17:27 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I redid BET, but nothing links to (or should link to) "(BET)". LittleDan 18:05 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Franz Joseph Gall - copyvio. Was blanked a long long time ago, I added the notice today. Evercat 02:27 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Cochonfucius - created by new User:Cochonfucius, a misunderstanding, probably. Even if the person is famous, the article contains only a link -- Rotem Dan 13:31 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • He's not famous, judging by his web page. Just some random french guy. -- Tim Starling 07:38 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • See Talk:Cochonfucius. "Cochonfucius" appears to be a pseudonym of Jean-Baptiste Berthelin, who is apparently a cognitive science researcher of some sort. Perhaps someone better at French than I am can work out what research he does, and whether we can get enough information on him for an article. -- Oliver P. 08:23 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Badad.bmp enormous bitmap image that doesn't seem to be intended for the encyclopedia. Theresa knott 10:42 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Likely just somebody having fun. --Menchi 13:55 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Bauska - copyright. Seems to be copied together from various sources, one I could find quickly. And article is not encyclopedaeic anyway. andy 10:43 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/Wops - do we really need to have this page? It seems to me to be in bad taste. Arno 11:09 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Well, it is under "Bad jokes..." -- Wapcaplet 12:18 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Well, using that bureaucratic logic, you can place any number of racist joke webpages here, have them deleted and then have them resurrected as bad joke pages. It still should come out on the grounds that it is a tasteless waste of wikipedia space. Arno 06:18 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Hardly a compelling reason. Wiki is not paper. -- Wapcaplet 15:32 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The article seems deliberately insulting. Does anyone actually find it clever or interesting? I vote to delete it. -- Infrogmation 05:19 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Eh, why not. Won't hurt my feelings. Go ahead and delete it. -- Wapcaplet 15:57 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Racist crap. Not funny. Get rid of it quercus robur 11:30 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Guy Green - The current Administrator is called Sir Guy Green, but his article was wrongly titled Guy Green. When I sought to correct this by moving Guy Green to Sir Guy Green, everything seemed to work. But when I came back tonight, I found that any links to Sir Guy Green are being directed to Guy Green. Could this be reversed? Arno 11:17 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Goldtoken.com, little more than an advertisement. Also Turn-based gaming. -- goatasaur
    • Then you need to take down all things like Battle.net and stuff like that, or change it. -- Ilyanep
    • This belongs in the pages needing attention page
      • Battle.net is one of the largest gaming communities on the Internet. Wikipedia has no articles for game services such as Popcap, Playsite, Pogo and so forth. Goldtoken.com is no different. -- goatasaur
    • Some facts: 227,000 Googles for Battle.net. 4,900 for Goldtoken.com.
  • Box Set
    • Bad name, no context, list a bunch of track listings. --mav 10:01 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I moved Box Set to Led Zeppelin Box Set with a minimal lead-in. -- Notheruser 12:47 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Turned it into an article on box sets. :) -- goatasaur 16:03 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • HowStuffWorks - blanked; stub anyone? -- Notheruser 12:47 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I am a big fan of HowStuffWorks. I am working on a full article, but have not gotten the whole thing finished/posted, on the history, etc. of the site. I created the stub as a way of getting started. I am fairly new at this, and am not clear on the principle I am violating here that would lead to deletion. There are pages for eBay, Yahoo!, etc. so it does not seem unusual to have articles on the history of major Web sites (HSW has 50 million page views per month, according to published reports). The stub I created was short, yes, but factual and unbiased.
    • But there was nothing to what you included but one sentence and a link. If you want to keep the article, which is not a problem to have here, please write a more encyclopedic article. -- Zoe
    • We have a minimum standard for articles, below which people get annoyed. If that's not on Wikipedia:Most common Wikipedia faux pas it should be. The anonymous fan should have written a proper article offline and then submitted the whole thing, but s/he is a newbie and wasn't to know that. The page should be deleted at the end of the 7 day period, if it isn't improved. -- Tim Starling 01:56 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Micheal Hale - looks fake (including the recently added entry at List of mathematicians: 1860-2003?) -- Notheruser 13:28 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Image:Hale.jpg should go with it, if it goes (which I support) and while we're at it, Image:Tux.jpg, now orphaned, from the same contributor, who only made a logon to be able to upload those two pictures. (And before you say "we could use a cute picture of Tux the Linux penguin", take a look at it.) Its only use was for random vandalism at nuclear pulse propulsion. -- John Owens 19:58 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Internet search reveals the photo is a priest from Berkley named Robert Hale -- 65.94.49.6
    • If Why Cows Moo is famous as the original contributor claimed, it should be in the catalogue of my local university library, one of the largest in Canada. And guess what? Nope, ain't there. Nor is there a "Hale, Micheal". So, it means he's an obscure celebrity and saved the world and was unrecognized. --Menchi 00:24 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Micheal is the Irish language spelling of Michael. How likely is someone supposedly born in Afghanistan in 1860 to have a gaelic first name. This is complete BS from someone who vandalised Tesco with the summary TESCO SUCKS. Delete. FearÉIREANN 00:22 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Why Cows Moo", a children's book published in Sydney in about 1936.
  • Note the page has moved to Michael Hale -- Evercat 12:36 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • This article is, on the face of it, completely bogus. The picture page has the annotation "Father Robert Hale of Incarnation Monastery in Berkley, California", not Michael Hale. The bovine disease fails the Google test. "Why Cows Moo" is a children's book, (not written by a Michael Hale). I think the burden of proof now passes to those who wish to keep the text. Delete. -- Anon.
  • Ervings, New Hampshire
  • New Amsterdam, Indiana
  • Hibberts, Maine
  • Lost Springs, Wyoming
    • places with a population of one. Not encyclopedic.
      • How are these so much different from the places with a population of 0, 2, 3, etc.? Twombly, Maine could easily become a town with 1 person, if someone moves out. The above might become a town with 0 people. I think these are pretty interesting articles to have (though hard to keep accurate). -- Wapcaplet 01:54 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Keep 'em. Are the articles about places with no people (eg Gulf City, Florida) okay, and places with two acceptible, but not one? Why is it not "not encyclopedic"? They are harmless, and if anyone ever comes across some reference to one of those places and wants to find out something, possibly usefull to someone. -- Infrogmation 05:19 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • I see absolutely no reason to remove these places. Wikipedia is not paper, we don't have a problem with space, why not let them stay? -- Zoe
  • A query rather than a vote: is Ken Mondschein simply a self-promoting 'ziner, or is he of encyclopedic import? Or both? And if so, does he really merit a mention in motherfucker? And if not, shouldn't he really get a dynamic IP address? -- Someone else 05:02 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Hmm. Turns out that he's also written a lot about fencing, and more Google matches come up for that connection than for his webzine. (Either they're the same person, or he shares his e-mail address with a namesake...) -- Oliver P. 05:41 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • I did not look toooooo carefully, but I believe it is a rather metaphorical form of fencing... -- Someone else 07:03 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • Nooo... He's responsible for HistoricalFencing.org! He's written some good articles on the subject. (Well, as far as I can tell. I know nothing about fencing...) Now if we can get him to release them under the GFDL... :) -- Oliver P. 09:07 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Honcho
    • Dictionary def copied from 1955 Websters. --mav 07:00 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Sexophobic
    • Badly titled, and removing the dictionary definition and POV statement leaves absolutely no information. (I'm assuming the phenomenon actually exists) Tuf-Kat
    • Yeah, it would be a challenge to actually leave some information and rename the page sexophobia or something. We could at least try. --KF 07:17 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The word sexophobia isn't in the Oxford English Dictionary or at dictionary.com, but Google finds "about 493" webpages. However, they give it different definitions: "fear of the opposite sex"[1], "fear of genitals"[2], and possibly others. To be NPOV, we could discuss all the different uses of the word. Or we could delete the page on the grounds that the term is not widely used. I don't really have an opinion, to be honest... -- Oliver P. 09:07 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Update. The same IP-address seems to be using all the sexuality related pages as a personal bulletinboard. For an example, check the edit history of Asexuality. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 16:57 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Expresso.jpg, misspelling, copied to Image:Espresso.jpg. -- Wapcaplet 15:53 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Redirected. Of course, history remains as with all redirects, images or article. Not a bad thing I suppose, so one can confirm the original authorship, or photographership, I suppose. --Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Pavo - an ancient stub, with unresponsive reference website, rather non-article that hardly can be made into shape. Kpjas 16:37 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Whoever deletes it should feed it to a peacock. -phma
      • Why? -- John Owens 09:13 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • It's a pun. Pavo is Latin for peacock. --Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Knowledge frame. I don't know what to make of this. It looks like an out-of-place polemic, but I've been wrong before of course. - Hephaestos 21:15 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Impeccability -- belongs in the dictionary, not here. MB 22:26 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Richard Kostelanetz - copyright (it's a resume too :) -- Notheruser 00:02 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. It doesn't matter if it's copyrighted or not, it's blatant self-advertisement. --Menchi 09:58 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Marcel Petiot strikes me as just a little bit bogus, so far. -- John Owens 10:19 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I've replaced it with a stub -- sannse 10:45 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • It's a namesake though. The previous one from the 14th century "served ale and indulged in great frivolity." [emphasis added] Anyway, what a horrific doctor! And you're speedy, Sannse. Speedy. ---Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Wikipedians' favorites -- Martin
    • It seems to be a more liberal and therefore possibly will-be more active form of Wikipedia:Brilliant prose. But the screaming Header1 is horrible. --Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Nope, it's a list of Wikipedians' favorite (for eg) music, NOT a list of Wikipedians' favorite articles on music. Martin 11:22 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

They are all orphans, none have copywrite info and were all uploaded by the same user - User:Mjanich. A notice offering help in resizing was put on said users talkpage by User:Lee Daniel Crocker on 26th April this year. There has been no reply. I think we shoud get rid of them. Theresa knott 13:23 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

  • Avraham Stern - an interesting case. The original poster says the text is "about" to become copyrighted. I've asked for clarification. A number of other users have edited the page, so I think it would be a shame if it had to be deleted. Evercat 21:18 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Shi Fu - "Shi Fu" is just the Chinese translation for "master." And could mean the master of any art, not specifically Wushu. It's just a general Chinese term, nothing special to be noted about it. Jiang 01:56 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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