Talk:Airbnb

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March 1, 2013 Featured article candidate Not promoted

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedy deleted because it has it has been mentioned in several newspapers such as the Washington Post and Daily Telegraph. Therefore it is clearly notable. Secondly it is not an advertisement because the article includes links to several neutral third party external references who have obviously not been paid by Airbnb. Thirdly the company has been valued at a billion dollars and has several notable investors as noted by the Wall Street Journal... --117.199.55.42 (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

With some minor cleanup I think this article would fit WP. 67.142.161.18 (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to point out that Airbnb is no different from CouchSurfing. And if CouchSurfing can have an article on Wikipedia then why can't Airbnb. Besides Airbnb is more popular than CouchSurfing as per Alexa Rankings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.59.36 (talk) 13:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Removed Statement[edit]

I removed the following, as it is not possible and doesn't match the source. Maybe someone can figure out what was supposed to be going on with this.

From January 2010 to December 2011, it was recorded that the site grew 800 percent with a monthly average growth month-over-month of 40 percent. http://blogs.forbes.com/bruceupbin/2011/06/29/airbnb-could-have-more-rooms-than-hilton-by-2012/ --Xyzzyplugh (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Major work[edit]

I've heavily edited this article. In addition to reorganizing the content and making it flow better, I've also improved the references, removed the all the puffery and NPOV text, and balanced the article.

As a side note, I'd like to point out that the article has been edited by a conflict of interest user, namely someone who works for Airbnb. There was also a lot of text added that I believe was a copyright violation. If you want to edit the article that's fine, but you have to follow the rules, and that includes keeping the article neutral and not using it as an advertisement for promotion. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 01:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Incident[edit]

Hello, I largely expanded the incident section. But I eventually felt it's irrelevant. Punctual failure occur in every industry, and are countless. Use one third of the article for a such punctual incident + Airbnb's marketing answer is simply not relevant. -> content removed, one sentence kept in the #Business model section since they modified their service accordingly (diff). Yug (talk) 09:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b c Ejroundtheworld. "Airbnb incident blog posts". 
  2. ^ Chesky, Brian. "Guarantee".  Text "http://blog.airbnb.com/our-commitment-to-trust-and-safety" ignored (help);
  3. ^ {{cite web|last=||url=http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/08/couch-surfer-may-be-tied-robbery#ixzz1TwNitszC
I think the incidents should be in there with full detail, it has had significant coverage in the press. NCSS (talk) 22:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
We don't have to go into extensive detail, but this incident was whittled down to a 5 word sentence. That isn't adequate. The incident was a big deal in the company's history and was covered by a ton of big news outlets. I added back what I think its a fair, well sourced depiction. We could always add way more, but as people said, every incident isn't worthy of mention, but this one certainly is Mreasons (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Just visited Airbnb. The host insurance offered is actually $1,000 not $50,000?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.33.169 (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Mreasons. I took down the flag. I wonder if they have employees editing the page?NCSS (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

What is a "black orgy" ? If this is simply an orgy, why is it "black" ? valereee (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Question about the name[edit]

How is the name Airbnb pronounced and where does it come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.44.150.113 (talk) 23:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I believe it is Air b and b. Instead of an 'n' it is and. Hope that helps. NCSS (talk) 23:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
As a native speaker of American English, when I see "Airbnb", I pronounce it "Air-bee-en-bee". "Bnb" is already an oral abbreviation for "bed-and-breakfast", so that's probably why it was adopted into the name. And most American speakers of English pronounce "bnb" as "bee-en-bee". The "en" isn't a pronunciation of the letter "n", but rather, an unstressed pronunciation of "and". In normal speech, we tend to drop the "d" at the end of "and", especially before a consonant, in an elision. Best regards

TheBaron0530 (talk) 18:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)theBaron0530


It comes from the idea of providing a "B&B" Sevice (bed and breakfast), that might just be an air mattress on your floor. This was the starting point of the organisation.So from that follows the logical pronunciation Air Bee 'n' Bee

Industry[edit]

A self claimed employee changed the industry to "hospitality", while an established editor changed it back to "social networking service". From my point of view, I don't believe either of these are correct.

Wouldn't the appropriate industry label for this business be either "Travel" or "travel services"? This would be better descriptive of their function, as well as being more in-line with how competing sites are labelled for their industry tags. --65.121.187.138 (talk) 16:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I am willing to vouch for either. According to the website, their services are based on user-reporting and connections (ex: private messaging, reviews, etc...), which makes them a social network. The website also makes reservations and take payments (such as expedia or priceline) through its system. Technically it could be both. ®amos 17:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

The article on Social networking service doesn't even mention Airbnb. Looking at the articles on the listed competitors, it seems that Travel is the best industry label. I've made that change. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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This section is a mess (imho) - just a dumping ground of incidents. It needs some coherence? Springnuts (talk) 20:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Israeli settlements[edit]

I recently removed the "Offering accommodation in Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories" subsection that Loranchet added. This is now my second time removing the subsection. I understand the content is sourced but would like to get feedback from others on whether it holds enough weight for inclusion, let alone its own subsection. 03:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it belongs. If AirBnB had issues operating in say, North Korea, or when it opened its first listings in Cuba these would merit inclusion too. There's a risk that this will create an overly long and unweildy article, but I think that's more of an issue with the renter's security section Bangabandhu (talk) 03:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
And that is exactly what I was trying to avoid - an overwhelming list of subsections covering "disputes" the company has and will be involved in. Currently, the Criticism and controversies' section has 11 subsections... Would you be in favor of removing the heading and restoring the information to the Incidents and renters' security subsection rather having a stand alone subsection? Meatsgains (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Heading is unimportant. No objections to what you're suggesting, though I think a new section for AirBnB operations in different parts of the world might break up that very long section. Bangabandhu (talk) 14:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Would a new Operations section covering Airbnb's locations also include information that isn't "Criticism" or "Controversy"? Meatsgains (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Similar content has been restored to the page. I've trimmed the section to avoid WP:UNDUE and WP:EDITWARRING. To the IP who continues to restore the information, please discuss before adding it again. Meatsgains (talk) 01:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Incidents and renters' security[edit]

I removed this section with hopes of discussing a possible solution. The section, before I removed it, covered far too many "incidents' that didn't particularly seem noteworthy, though most were covered in reliable sources. Let's discuss either 1.) condensing the overwhelming section or 2.) creating a new page covering the incidents. Seems to me like users are just adding to the already lengthy list of incidents any time it is covered in the news. Meatsgains (talk) 01:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Agreed that the section is lengthy and in need of revision, but you initiate discussion on the talk page before you delete, not after. Bangabandhu (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
@Bangabandhu: I was being bold - WP:BRD. So are you suggesting it be restored but as a shorter section? Meatsgains (talk) 17:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think restoring it is important and then pruning it down to something more manageable. Some of the text describing the incidents are unnecessary and can be streamlined; readers can click on the references if they want to read more about any of them. I don't think a separate entry is required. Bangabandhu (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I'll trim down and restore the section piece by piece. Let me know what you think. Meatsgains (talk) 01:25, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Missing a verb in "Enforcement response"[edit]

In the "Enforcement response" paragraph, there is a verb missing:

"...In July 2016, former Attorney General Eric Holder was hired to help an anti-discrimination policy for Airbnb.[148]"

I'd edit this, but I'm not sure of the original author's intent. From the context, I think he meant, "to help prepare", "to help draft", but maybe he meant something else altogether.

Best regards, TheBaron0530 (talk) 18:52, 18 November 2016 (UTC)theBaron0530

 Done I've added "craft" per the source. Meatsgains (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

How is it "peer to peer"?[edit]

Is it "peer to peer" in the same technical sense of the "computer networks" peer-to-peer article, or just a manner of saying that the clients of the service deal with one another directly, with an "automated" intermediary service? To me it seems that the closest thing to an analogy with computer P2P network would be to say it's literally an "analog peer to peer sharing of resources", so, it's not that the software in your device that is doing the typical P2P stuff, but rather it's just the protocol for the "analog sharing". But so would be paper or more static classifieds "P2P", then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.96.29 (talk) 04:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Euclid, Ohio codified ordinance regarding rentals[edit]

1761.01 RENTALS, HOTELS, MOTELS; CERTIFICATE REQUIRED.

  On and after January 1, 1989, it shall be unlawful for the owner, agent or person in charge of any dwelling structure used, designed or intended to be used as a multiple dwelling or a single or two-family dwelling structure, or any operator of any hotel or motel intended to accommodate transient guests, to rent or lease such structure or any part thereof for residential occupancy, or temporary occupancy by transient guests, unless the owner thereof holds a Certificate of Occupancy issued by the Commissioner of Buildings for such structure, which Certificate has not expired, been revoked or otherwise become null and void, or unless such structure or part thereof is licensed as a temporary rooming house.  

(Ord. 74-1996. Passed 4-1-96; Eff. 5-1-96.)” Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). </ref>§Daniel H. Garland[1]

Appears promotional[edit]

I doubt the neutrality of the article. Parts of the Airbnb entry appear advertorial and promotional and give the impression that someone close to Airbnb may have edited it to let Airbnb look good. One example is some language, e.g. "almost all Airbnb experiences work out perfectly." Another example is the structure of the article, with Airbnb's insignificant sponsoring activities appearing above criticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.41.165.40 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Added by Cloversmate: I have to concur with this experience. Around March 2017, I edited the early section that talks about guest fees. This very early and prominent section refers to guest service fees - 'On each booking, the company charges guests a 6%-12% guest services fee and charges hosts a 3% host service fee'.

From my own research, this is clearly not true. The article replicates the info on the Airbnb website and understates the fees charges - well those in the UK market where guest fees are typically 15-16%. Really very high given that Airbnb is also charging hosts an additional fee (around 3%). Within a week or two, this extra information was deleted back to the original statement of 6-12%. It looks very likely, to me, as a professional journalist, that someone from Airbnb is editing the Wiki entry, or doing it on their behalf. BEWARE ANY INFORMATION ON THIS ENTRY - I AM VERY SURE THAT THIS WIKI ENTRY IS BEING COMMERCIALLY EDITED to make AirBnb look good. Comment added by Cloversmate 17 May 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloversmate (talkcontribs) 10:39, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ Euclid Codified Ordinances