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Requested move 18 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 06:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)


Pilot (aeronautics)Aircraft pilot – Last week's RM found no consensus for a move to Aviator in part because the term is less familiar. Well, the term "aeronautics" is certainly even less familiar than that. That's particularly troubling as the topic is something virtually everyone knows, but we've given it a fairly unintuitive disambiguator. "Aircraft pilot" is also WP:NATURALDIS, which is generally preferable to parentheses, though Pilot (aircraft) would also be an improvement over the current term. Cúchullain t/c 13:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

My thinking is, virtually everyone who speaks English and has ever seen or heard of a plane knows what a pilot is. But would, say, a third grader, a second language learner, or someone with a lower level of education who was searching for the article on pilots of aircraft recognize "(aeronautics)" as pointing to what they're looking for? IMO, it's a fairly specialized disambiguator for what's really a very, very basic topic.--Cúchullain t/c 20:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
That's act a good point, one that I hadn't really considered. "(aeronautics)" is probably fine for the other articles we use it for, but for this one, probably not. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
My first thought was that air pilots are the primary topic of "pilot", but it gets fewer page views than Television pilot and Honda Pilot.[1]--Cúchullain t/c 20:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Eek!! Now the car lobby too? Well, I can't argue much with page views, so I'll drop that idea. :) - BilCat (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 May 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) - Yashovardhan (talk) 11:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


Pilot (aeronautics)Aviator – Per WP:NATURAL. "Aviator" is a very common term and is not ambiguous unlike "pilot". (aeronautics) as a disambiguator, while appropriate per policy, isn't convenient for readers. feminist 09:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Have you really never heard the term "Aviator"? It's not an obscure term, in fact, it's much more common than "airplane pilot", "aircraft pilot", "aeroplane pilot", etc., not to mention the constructed term "Pilot (aeronautics)" (I expect many fewer readers will recognize "aeronautics" than "aviator".)
FWIW, the discussion above is mistaken as to what "aviator" means. Some people try to make a distinction between "pilots" and "aviators", but the dictionary definition of an aviator is the pilot of an aircraft.[4][5][6]--Cúchullain t/c 13:28, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Aircraft pilot, followed by Aviator, both above Pilot (aeronautics) per WP:NATURAL. Not sure that "aviator" is quite "obscure", but it is a little obscure. I also feel there is some difference in meaning, with an aviator being a pioneer in flying aircraft, with a flavor of experiment or sport, and the term being unusual for modern pilots. However, the term is not quite obsolete for modern pilots, it just doesn't fit so well for pilots of modern standard aircraft. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, some people do try to distinguish "aviator" from "pilot", but there's no consistency in how they do that. The dictionary definition of "aviator" is the same as "pilot" of an aircraft.--Cúchullain t/c 13:28, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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