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Illegality of settlements

@Dovidroth: care to explain why you have removed this important piece of information from the lede? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because that's something not specifically related to Sharon that the reader can easily find by clicking on the link of Israeli settlements.Dovidroth (talk) 17:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Human Rights Watch

@Dovidroth: "whereas Palestinians revile Sharon as a war criminal who suppressed their aspirations for statehood." There is nothing in any source that says Palestinians think he is a war criminal because he "suppressed their aspirations for statehood". The used and notable HRW sources is all about how Sharon escaped accountability for the war crimes he committed. It's not only Palestinians who say he is a war criminal, every eulogy (cited above) said so too. I propose the following sentence: "whereas Palestinians and numerous media and political sources revile Sharon as a war criminal. Human Rights Watch lamented the fact that Sharon was never held accountable for the war crimes he committed." Makeandtoss (talk) 13:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"numerous media and political sources" is a bit vague, and I'm not sure media self-pronouncements would be worth mentioning if that's what they are ... who are the other mentionables on this? Iskandar323 (talk) 16:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eulogies from RS cited above. What alternatives are there? Makeandtoss (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AP says he was called a war criminal by his critics, and the Nation says he was accused of war crimes, presumably in reference to the filing of charges in Belgium. Which others? Iskandar323 (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a possible phrasing, we could say:

Sharon remains a highly polarizing figure in Middle Eastern history. Israelis almost universally revere Sharon as a war hero and statesman, whereas Palestinians and Human Rights Watch have criticized him as a war criminal, with the latter lamenting that he was never held accountable. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

inaccurate Rank

The picture under unit 101 states that Sharon is a major, but he is in fact, a lieutenant colonel in the picture 2603:8001:6901:4E5:DD51:5322:71DD:E668 (talk) 02:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name

Other Zionist luminaries have their European birth names listed at the top of the page, but Sharon/Schneiderman does not. One way or the other, this should be made congruous across all such articles. 184.146.13.20 (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am assuming his surname was changed before he was born, so it is not included. For example Netanyahu and Gants do not have their true names mentioned, but their parents do, as well as early settlers who became politicians like Golda mabovitch, Szymon Perski, and David Grün The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He was born Ariel Scheinerman (not Schneiderman). This is in multiple obituaries published on his death, and in several books. A good source is David Landau's biography "ARIK", where it is said that Ben-Gurion insisted on him changing his name. Landau does not say exactly when that was, but it was post-1948. Zero^talk 12:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Born in British mandated Palestine, Israel did not exist in 1928. 2603:9009:800:E455:1599:34F2:D52C:6D2 (talk) 03:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. nowhere in our article does it say he was born in Israel. Guessing you're looking at the Google preview box thing, that's something for them to address Cannolis (talk) 04:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note 77 and corresponding sentence should be removed.

There is a line at the end of the "Early political career, 1974-2001 / Legal findings" which incorrectly states "Prior to his assassination, he had "specifically stated that he did not plan to identify Sharon as being responsible for Sabra and Shatila.""

Looking at that article, which clearly is bias as well, it states that someone else said he said that, being the textbook definition of heresy yet being shown in this article as "fact".

The sentence should be removed or at least amended to correctly indicate that someone said that he said that, with zero evidence to support it.

It's also a double quote because the linked article in note 77 is actually a quote from "IMRA, January 27, 2002" which itself is not referenced on that page and I can't find any actual evidence of it. TheTruePhoenix (talk) 09:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]