Talk:Charles Waterton

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he was not an aristocrat Brownturkey (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


Some of the material in this article I find implausible, especially his ancestry and that of his wife. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC) Not merely implausible but misleading too! The descent from Ailric may be accurate, but the description of Ailric himself is fanciful and embellished in a wholly inaccurate manner. Ailric was a thegn of King Edward (the Confessor) who held the two wapentakes of Staincross and Osgoldcross. His own ancestry was Scandinavian - as were many in Yorkshire, hardly a 'Saxon' chieftain. His son was Svenn, written Svein and Swein, who inherited from Ailric. Swein's own son was known by the Norman appellation of Adam FitzSwein. Ailric was granted a significant number of manors from within the Honour of Pontefract, signifying that he remained in the favour of the new overlords. His son and grandson inherited. Adam FitzSwein was succeeded by his two daughters and the holding was divided. Matilda and Amabel, married into nice comfortable Norman households, hardly likely if they were regarded as coming from 'tainted' stock. Matilda married three times, first to Adam de Montbegon and Amabel married to William de Neville. Moonraker55 (talk) 00:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC) The claim that the Waterton's were one of the few English families not to convert to Protestantism in the reign of Henry VIII is also mythical. Henry VIII himself was not Protestant, he merely made himself, rather than the Pope, head of the Church in England. Edward, his son was a protestant, who saw the teachings of Luther and others as the way ahead. This was reversed by his elder sister Mary, and reinforced when she married Philip, who became Philip II of Spain - as a family they were quite a leading one, and most definitely Roman Catholic. The last of Henry's children was also Protestant, but for the early part of her reign was surrounded by high placed courtiers who still practiced their old faith - it was only when Elizabeth was subjected to assassination attempts (ostensibly by Catholics, and in one well documented case, sponsored by Rome) finally made it less easy to be a practicing Catholic. It was not to be until after the English civil war that Catholicism was made anathema within the ruling classes, and the history of the Jacobite rebellions indicate that Catholicism was still supported by a large number of people. This article is inaccurate, but mainly due to a lack of understanding of the wider social and political context, which means it is poor history! Moonraker55 (talk) 00:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)