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'The term derives from the Old English word crycc, meaning "crutch."'

Not really. It's related to crycc, which is also related to the modern word "cross" as well as "crutch" - hence, the medieval Crutched Friars (who wore crosses on their habits) and the oath "Christ on a crutch!", which originally referred to the crucifixion, not Jesus limping around on a modern crutch. Benami 19:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

How do you pronouce "crosier"? No IPA please--I'm in the 99.9% demographic of mankind to whom IPA is meaningless. :) Just type it phonetically, please. 74.227.255.79 (talk) 05:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
According to American Heritage, it's KRO-zhur. ZH as in "vision", and the U is a schwa (like the A in "about"). Elmo iscariot (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The crosier is a lituus[edit]

Christianity just adopted it like fe. it adopted the topos of the good shepherd, the inborn son (also a title of Dionysos - literally meaning the twice borne one) or the title of the catholic pope as pontifex maximus (highest bridgebilder, a former title of roman emporers) etc. In catholic tradition and in latin language the crosier is called lituus. And the lituus originally refers to a shepherds crook, of course now in a new context. The spiritual dignitaries and officeholders beeing the shepherds (pastors) of their flock... err, fold. Its as simple as that. -- 77.116.246.13 (talk) 03:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Egyptian?[edit]

Any evidence that the crosier bears any historic relation to Egyptian scepters? The reference cited doesn't seem to be authoritative (or remotely related to either crosiers or Egyptian scepters), and the claim seems like a post hoc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.251.67 (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, very weird to see a claim that the christian crosier is originated from the Egyptian crosier... more it is from the Shepard's crosier. Besides, I doubt the Rod of Aaron was copied from egyptians either...75.73.114.111 (talk) 22:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Lituus[edit]

I'm a bit surprised to see that there isn't a mention of the crosier being descended from the lituus in the lead. Or for that matter, such a brief mention. In ecclesiastic Latin, the proper term for it is "littus episcopi". It's not simply speculative; there's extensive documentation of it, as there is for the majority of vestments and liturgical implements (being co-opted, that is). Quinto Simmaco (talk) 13:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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