Talk:Encanto/Archive 1

Archive 1

Requested move 19 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus was that a) the title should be Encanto (film) and b) the article fails WP:NFF and should be draftified. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 21:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

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Encanto (working title) → Encanto (2021 film) – This is how articles on Disney movies are normally titled if dis-ambiguation is needed. Georgia guy (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• Move to Encanto (film) as per WP:NCFILM. There is no other film article of this name to disambiguate from, so date is not needed. If it were, it'd be Encanto (upcoming film) until the release was confirmed. -- Netoholic @ 15:28, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

  Related to the last few words of your comment, is it equally valid that this film won't come out until 2027?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

  Who knows. -- Netoholic @ 15:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

  Per WP:NFF, this article should not even exist outside of draftspace, as it hasn't commenced principal photography. --Gonnym (talk) 07:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

  Well "principal photography" isn't the WP:NFF standard used for animated films (animation rendering and voice recording is). Moving this premature stub to the proper name doesn't preclude us from converting it to a redirect for a while, but given the nature of hungry Disney fans, it may be a losing battle. We should do what we must to prevent repeated re-creation. -- Netoholic @ 14:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

• Move to draft-space or delete, until it meets WP:NFF. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Draft:Encanto (film) as per WP:NFF, as per Netoholic and Lugnuts. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Draft:Encanto (film) per above. BOVINEBOY2008 00:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Encanto (film), no other film with name and 2021 is speculative anyway.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Considering it only has a "proposed title" at this point, it almost certainly doesn't meed WP:NFF yet, which is why it should be in WP:Draftspace for now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Encanto budget.

Hello there reader. Many news outlets have confirmed Disneys Encanto’s budget is 120M if so please change the budget to that specific number.the disinsider a Disney insider also confirmed in his live-stream that they budget is 120M. Thedisneyeditor (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Thedisneyeditor: The $120 million budget was mentioned a few weeks ago. Two days ago, Variety said the budget was actually near $150 million. As a result, we have to include both figures because they were both listed as the film's budget. Per Template:Infobox film, "If there are conflicting estimates, do not cherry-pick; list each estimate either as an individual value or as a number range." Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2021

It says that during the dinner scene that Dolores is Mirabel's older COUSIN not sister. Encanto.mirabel (talk) 16:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Dolores is Mirabel's cousin. Encanto.mirabel (talk) 16:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Done. Though you don't need to repeat yourself.$chnauzer 17:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2021 (2)

In the plot synopsis, Dolores is described as Mirabelle's sister when it should read cousin 92.1.121.252 (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I literally corrected that just a bit ago.$chnauzer 17:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021

Plot summary has weird flow as plot details like Bruno being outcasted mentioned in the beginning rather than the middle like the actual movie's order. Also has some grammar issues and lengthy sentences (which is partly contributed by unnecessary extra details). For example, "Mirabel, resolving to save the magic of the Casita, goes around to investigate and question her family members with her older sister Luisa, who possesses superhuman strength, suggesting to Mirabel that Bruno's room may hold some clues to the phenomenon." Could be cut down and I'm not sure if mentioning Luisa's power is necessarily important in this situation because it does not explain how it helped Mirabel to go to Bruno. It makes sense to include someone's power in the case of Dolores because it leads to the chaos occurring at dinner. Mingyuk17 (talk) 18:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

one-sentence plot summary?

Wouldn't it make sense to add a plot summary over 1-2 sentences in the introduction paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:2040:1B00:E40A:1AFF:FE19:8D2E (talk) 17:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021

Disney’s Encantos budget is 50M provided by a trustworthy article.Please make sure to fix this error ASAP https://www.businessinsider.com/highest-grossing-animated-movies-at-the-box-office-2021-12?amp 2604:3D09:617C:4900:9889:5CC0:6FEF:569 (talk) 04:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: There's more sources for that range from Hollywood focused publications. BI's focus is more general, so less reliable for this. also doesn't make sense - if a movie made $119m on $50m budget, how is it underwhelming?. --Hemantha (talk) 06:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

In the box with credits, 'Music By Germaine Franco' should be changed to

Original Songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda Original Score by Germaine Franco

Or something similar. Lin-Manuel Miranda is currently missing from the credits. 86.71.38.249 (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: I'd like to, but {{Infobox film}} specifically says not to include songwriters for 'music'. There's some old discussion there which says songwriters' place is in prose. --Hemantha (talk) 06:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I was about to say this as well. I feel that we should ignore this since he is actually credited for the music in the film itself. But if he shouldn't be included then that's not something I can change. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021

it is Disney's 60th ANIMATION film NikkiKFMoon (talk) 13:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios... The 60th film produced by the studio ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:26, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: I mean... I do see how that wording is a bit confusing. People usually think there's only one Disney studio in charge of all the films. However it wouldn't make sense to say "The 60th animated film produced by the studio" when it's produced by Walt Disney's Animation Studios. maybe saying "the 60th film produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios" would be better? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Feel free to make the update. I didn't find it confusing, but if you can see how it could be, don't let me stand in the way of improvement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

error in text

Hello! I noticed this error:

From working on Moana, Miranda knew that film's protagonist, Moana, originally had eight brothers before they were removed to streamline the film's plot.

It misses "the" before film. 2A02:A451:3F63:1:6958:7270:280B:167B (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Not so. "That the film" is ambiguous because we're already talking about a film, Encanto. "That film" in this context more clearly refers back to the subject of the sentence, Moana. --Coolcaesar (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Error in date

Under the reception tab, 2021 is written instead of 2022 when discussing the film's social media impact in January 174.16.51.200 (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Character list

Hello! I was wondering if we could make a character list for Encanto? -Jae - Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 00:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2021

Diane Guerrero as Isabela Madrigal 2607:FEA8:A320:4F00:486F:EA54:9138:C72 (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Source it, please.Crboyer (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Diane Guerrero is the known actress of Isabela, @Crboyer. She's credited in the movie itself, as well as the official soundtrack. This this not enough of a source? -Jae

- Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 00:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Of. Course. The. Credits. And. Soundtrack. Are. Reliable. Sources. But keep in mind, that this question was asked before either was released. I was asking for something like a news article confirming character name and performer. Why are you bringing this up now?

Plot Edit Suggestions

Hi! I'd suggest mentioning their "gifts," as well as the trauma resulting from said gift, as the movie is about generational trauma within a Latin family. This also prompts multiple songs and is the focus of the introductory song. Especially with Bruno's, Luisa's, and Isabela's gifts, and Mirabel's lack of a gift, this seems to be something listed before the completed plot. For example, "The movie begins with the protagonist, Mirabel, introducing her family to a group of children curious about the family's supernatural gifts. She begins by introducing her abuela, Alma Madrigal, as the one who found casita. She proceeds by introducing her Tia Pepa, who controls the weather with her mood, her Tio Bruno, who could see the future before he disappeared, and her mother, Julieta, who can heal people with her food. She finishes her introduction of her family by explaining her cousins' and sisters' gifts. Her oldest cousin Dolores has the ability of superhuman hearing. Her older sister, Isabela, has the ability to grow plants on command. Her second older sister, Luisa, has extreme strength. Her older cousin Camilo has the ability to shapeshift, and her youngest cousin later earns the ability to speak to animals." or something to that affect. Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 00:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

should it tho cause it's not really apart of the main thing Sarah afton (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sarah afton ...it's what the plot's about. -Jae Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 18:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: I don't think we should really go into that much detail into each of their gifts. Maybe a little detail but not much. Also, in reference to your other post above, a character list for Encanto isn't really necessary since the characters are already listed in the article with their voice actors/actresses. Also your signature isn't quite right, the "pronouns" is right next to "talk", which can be fixed by adding the closing bracket to talk and brackets around pronouns). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

We actually have a part of the manual of style related to plots at MOS:PLOT. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:07, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2021 (2)

change Diane Guerrero to Diane Guerrero as Isabela Madrigal change Jessica Darrow to Jessica Darrow as Luisa Madrigal 2607:FEA8:A320:4F00:486F:EA54:9138:C72 (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Again, source it, please. Repeating the same edit request (even if slightly expanded) is not endearing.Crboyer (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Crboyer Once again, the "source" is that they are both credited in the soundtrack and movie. -Jae

- Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 00:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, this was asked well before either was released. Why now?$chnauzer 00:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

This is the first time I'd seen the article, apologies -Jae Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 18:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Reference to Colombian Conflict

Hello! So I've been watching many Youtube videos regarding this movie and on ones related to the song "Dos Oruguitas" (Two Little Caterpillars) I often see comments stating that the scene that plays in the movie while this song is playing is a reference to the currently ongoing Colombian Conflict. This seems rather feasible, however that would be WP:OR, so I'm wondering if it would be worth mentioning if there are sources stating this. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

The article currently says The film is deliberately vague as to the timeframe in which it is set, but drew inspiration from early 20th-century Colombia. At the beginning of the 20th century, the country endured the Thousand Days' War, which resulted in the populations of entire villages fleeing to save themselves as depicted in the film., which is sourced to [1]. It looks pretty reliable to me (it's an interview with Alejandra Espinosa Uribe, who was a member of the Colombian Cultural Trust), so I doubt there'd be any reliable information contradicting that. Aerin17 (t • c) 15:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Hi! Isabela is actually 22 years old, not 21! (: -Isa Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talkpronouns 19:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Your signature is broken. wizzito | say hello! 00:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I think we fixed it! :) -Isa Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 18:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: I'm not gonna change this because I actually don't know where we are getting the ages from in the first place since to my knowledge they're never mentioned in the movie. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: The ages are sourced to this tweet, which clearly says that Isabela is 21. RemusSandersRegretsEverything, do you have another source for her age? Aerin17 (t • c) 01:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Aerin17, RemusSandersRegretsEverything, I found another source, it's here. Severestorm28 01:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Straight from Jared should be good, but I've never heard of The Focus--CreecregofLife (talk) 01:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks like The Focus is just getting its information from Jared's twitter anyway. Aerin17 (t • c) 03:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I figured that without even looking--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realize! It's from my experience reading about it (: -Isa Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 16:35, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Can someone create a Wiki page for actress Jessica Darrow

She is a vital part of movie and the song surface pressure has its own wiki page. I feel she has reached some level of fame to warrant an article. I am not as familiar with creating articles but I think someone should definitely create one for her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raja1011 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Raja1011: For reference, in order for someone to have a Wikipedia article, they need to meet notability guidelines. In her case, she needs to meet either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. It looks like the most feasible guidelines for her are either (a) having had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions or (b) having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. She doesn't seem to meet the former: her only roles in productions notable enough to have Wikipedia articles look to be Encanto and Feast of the Seven Fishes (questionable whether that film is particularly notable or whether her role was significant). For the latter, I couldn't find significant coverage, besides trivial mentions in articles about Encanto and gossip articles about her.

All this to say, I don't personally feel confident enough in her notability to create an article on her. However, I think if someone found enough reliable sources, she could potentially have one. In the meantime, we can wait and see if she has roles in any other significant shows in the future. (And if you feel passionately about this, it would be awesome if you could try to find some sources on her! That would be a major step toward someone being able to start an article on her.)

Also, side note: "Surface Pressure" has an article because there was significant coverage of the song and it was doing well on charts, which is enough to meet its applicable notability guideline, WP:NSONG. Just because the song is notable does not mean that the actress who performed the song is notable. Aerin17 (t • c) 06:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2022

The beginning of the Plot statement should state "Set in a remote village in Columbia, ". The setting of Encanto is really important to the story and therefore deserves a mention upfront. 4.15.238.234 (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Helen(💬📖) 19:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Soundtrack

The specialist terms identifying musical forms in this section need to be hotlinked: vallenato, bambuco, reggaeton, waltz even, etc, names of instruments like tiple etc. The article is protected, so I can't do it. thanks. 70.51.88.190 (talk) 03:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

The Art of Encanto

The book, "The Art of Encanto", currently temporarily free digitally here (not sure if archive.org will work) includes many behind the scene materials. It can be useful to be included and/or referenced in the article such as the pre-production stage of the film. 42.153.58.234 (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

how is This in anyway relevant to the article Sarah afton (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

The IP literally said, It can be useful to be included and/or referenced in the article such as the pre-production stage of the film, Sarah afton. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

ok Sarah afton (talk) 19:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2022

In the music by section in the infobox, it can be changed to the following:

• Lin-Manuel Miranda (songs)
• Germaine Franco (score)

42.153.58.234 (talk) 10:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done casualdejekyll 22:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Illogical topic sentence in 'Reception'

Under 'Reception', the topic sentence claims critics identified intergenerational trauma as a major theme of th film, but no subsequent sentences in the paragraph back that up. The 2nd sentence of the paragraph is essentially a non sequitur, praising Lin-Manuel in particular. It would be useful to bring whatever is cited at [76] into the text of the article itself to back up the claim.

Various commentators have identified intergenerational trauma as the major theme of the film.[76] Mark Kennedy of the Associated Press said, "It's only appropriate that Encanto—fueled by eight original songs by Hamilton creator Lin-Manuel Miranda—turns into that most special thing of all: A triumph in every category: art, songs and heart."[77] Kristen Page-Kirby of The Washington Post gave the film 3/4 stars, praising the film's visuals, characters, and message, describing the story, "more complex than your standard fairy tale."[78] Christian Holub of Entertainment Weekly gave the film a B grade, writing: "A smiling tale about familial reconciliation and learning to see your relatives for who they are rather than who you wish they were is never unwelcome."[79] Edward Porter of The Sunday Times gave the film 4/5 stars, describing it as "A deluge of clever, brightly coloured images and bouncy songs."[80] Simran Hans of The Observer also gave the film 4/5 stars; she described it as a "sparky musical".[81] John Lui of The Straits Times gave the film 3/5 stars, writing that the effort put into the movie makes "plainness interesting" and that it almost "succeeds". He also stated that the songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda as well as the visual designs help bring the movie to life.[82] Film critic Ben Travis called the film "a story with real heart."[83] John Serba of The Decider wrote Encanto is "thoroughly enjoyable, witty and intelligent, robust in its multigenerational appeal."[84] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.131.205.234 (talk) 21:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

ok Sarah afton (talk) 22:23, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Proposing to merge Madrigal family back into this article, Encanto (film). The family isn't notable on their own enough to warrant splitting from the film, especially given that most of the family article has information largely identical to information already stated here. There is not so much information specifically about the family as a collective that it overwhelms the article, and given that they make almost 100% of notable named cast in the film, it does not make sense to separate them from the creative development of the film as a whole—this fact also makes it difficult to establish that they as a collected unit have notability independent and separate from the film. There is no warranting the family article. This is without prejudice for articles of individual characters in the family, this is simply regarding a specific article for the family. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I do agree--CreecregofLife (talk) 19:55, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is not necessary. These characters are not notable in their own right. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Ahah, I opted for a discussion instead of a bold merge because it's been Ages since I've done any proper content work. Due process felt safer. I also just noticed that the family article is at DYK, so the discussion may be worth it to prove to that venue this was all in order, question mark? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 20:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Pile-on agreement. There's hardly anything in Madrigal family that isn't already in this article; in fact, I'm not sure there's anything there that isn't here, with the exception of the family tree, and that's not enough to justify a separate article. @Pamzeis: thoughts, as creator of the Madrigal family article? Aerin17 (t • c) 20:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I think we should also wonder how much of it is actually a merger and not just a transfer of a couple unique lines (and possible respective sources) in the family article to the main Encanto page--CreecregofLife (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I concur that no separate article is necessary for Madrigal family for the reasons stated by others above. However, I would also support deletion of that separate article, rather than merger.

Information about the Madrigal family as a group would be more appropriate as a component of a larger article about Encanto as a franchise. But it would be against Wikipedia policy to create such an article because all Disney has created at this point in time is a single film, not a franchise. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. WP always follows, it does not lead.

Disney Animation under Lasseter/Catmull and now under Lee/Spencer has been highly deferential to what the creators of a film want to do. That's why Frozen II and now the new Disney+ television spin-offs for Zootopia and Moana took so many years to develop. We will simply have to wait and see what Disney decides to do next. If Disney does go on to build a franchise based on this film (e.g., by announcing spin-off shows, rides, attractions, etc.), then an franchise article may be appropriate at that point in time.--Coolcaesar (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

It’s a single movie out for 2 months, no other TV or movie media, with only the first wave of any merchandise out there. This is not the time for a franchise article. There was no reason to bring that up.--CreecregofLife (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure why franchise article and a tangent about creator wishes happened. More on topic, I proposed a merge rather than AfD because it's a sensible search term and a solid redirect, and right now there's only one valid target. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 21:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Pamzeis: Any thoughts on merging your article into this one? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Support merging the family article back into the film article since that article can adequately cover everything about the family (which the film is about). Sometimes standalone articles are warranted, like certain secondary characters (think Joker (The Dark Knight) or Anton Chigurh) standing out. Usually the primary character (or protagonist or whatever) can be covered within the film article since they tend to be the center of the film. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 23:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'm fine with a merge (and redirect to preserve the history). Looking back, I should probably not have created this... I still think it's notable but it's mostly a WP:CONTENTFORK at the moment. Does anyone have prejudice against recreation (or un-redirection) if Encanto ever becomes a franchise? It seems pretty likely, IMO. And minor note, it's not "my" article. Pamzeis (talk) 01:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge But what section would this go in or would it get its own section? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It seems the redirect has already occurred but I can’t make heads or tails of whether anything was integrated--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

What happened with this move?

I just saw that Red Slash moved around some Encanto pages. It looks like the gist of it was to move the film article from Encanto (film) to Encanto and the disambiguation page from Encanto to Encanto (disambiguation), but if you take a look at their contributions, there are a lot of move log entries, and I'm very confused.

So. Three questions: @Red Slash: what exactly were all those moves? What happened there?

Secondly, was there even consensus for this move? Red Slash cited Primary topic, but I don't see any discussion anywhere. Should there perhaps be a conversation about whether the film is indeed the primary topic for Encanto? (I don't necessarily have a problem with it, but it feels like a very consequential move to be made without any sort of discussion.)

And thirdly, what cleaning up needs to happen now? For example: Talk:Encanto (disambiguation)/Central Avenue station... uh. what? (And of course some hatnotes and things ought to be updated- that's not a real problem.) Aerin17 (t • c) 20:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I missed all of it, but I would definitely call it suspect--CreecregofLife (talk) 20:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Honestly was thinking of starting a PT move in a few months or years when the long-term significance of this film is better established (although this film is definitely the main colloquial topic for 'Encanto' right now), so the move surprised me wizzito | say hello! 00:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I think its rapid rise made it all just rapid enough to reach the threshold for Red Slash--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

This move should be reverted immediately and a RM discussion should be held, which is the proper procedure for a big rename like this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that with that in mind all of Red Slash's recent moves should be investigated--CreecregofLife (talk) 01:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with that, while also agreeing that the film is the primary topic for the term "Encanto", although I can see why some would disagree (WP:RECENTISM as the film came out in November) wizzito | say hello! 01:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I wish this was as comparable to Frozen in this context as it is IRL for some sort of precedent, but alas, it isn’t.--CreecregofLife (talk) 01:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

So is this moving back at all or what?--CreecregofLife (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Concur with all of above. The move should be reverted immediately and a RM discussion should be held. And all of User:Red Slash's recent edits (not just moves) should be investigated thoroughly. As any true Disney fan knows: with great power comes great responsibility. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting a response from @Red Slash. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily opposed to the move, but it would have been better to start a discussion prior to this. SWinxy (talk) 05:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Reverted

I've deleted Encanto (dab), a page which should not have been left behind by this move. If you can't move the disambiguation page Encanto over the top of Encanto (disambiguation) because of move-blocking page history, you should ask an administrator, who can delete the page in order to move over it, for help, rather than make an admin mop up the mess left behind (Encanto (dab)) later when they notice it on their patrols.

Subpages
The corresponding talk page has 5 subpages shown below.

• Talk:Encanto/62nd Street (San Diego Trolley station)
• Talk:Encanto/62nd Street station
• Talk:Encanto/Central Ave
• Talk:Encanto/Central Ave (VMR station)
• Talk:Encanto/Central Avenue station

These "subpages" belong to the Encanto/62nd Street station and Encanto/Central Avenue station articles, and should not have moved with Encanto.

The box "Move subpages of talk page (up to 100)", which only page movers and administrators have the privileges to see, is checked by default, and needs to be unchecked in order to avoid erroneously moving these pages which belong with the other article.

I have reverted this bold move per the requests above. Repeated bold moves of this nature will result in loss of page-mover rights. WP:Primary topic is not boldly determined, rather it's determined by consensus. I've noted the Wikipedia:Top 25 Report banner above, which is a mitigating factor in my judgement. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Was any of their other moves reverted similarly?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the disambiguation page for Encanto should be moved to Encanto (disambiguation). ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

See WP:RM for instructions on how to start a requested move discussion. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry y'all - seemed extraordinarily uncontroversial to me

Was trying to save the time of the RM, but it looks like that's the direction we'll have to go at this point. Red Slash 03:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I think there was still dusts that needed settling. I think we all expect the ascension, but it’s just not the right time to be completely uncontroversial--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:RECENTISM comes to mind. You could argue for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by presenting the pageviews as evidence, but I don't think there will be zero opposition. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Missing a Director

Charise Castro Smith co-directed this movie... please add her to the article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.172.234.65 (talk) 05:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

She's there. She's listed as co-director, distinct from director. I know, it sounds silly, but because it's a different title she's not in the infobox, but is in the lead--CreecregofLife (talk) 05:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

At Pixar and Disney Animation, co-director refers to someone who has authority similar to a director (in terms of being delegated authority to make a lot of final artistic decisions and approve lots of things) but is still subordinate to the director and when their views conflict with the director's views, they are expected to defer to the director. In contrast, when a film has two directors (with no "co-" prefix), the directors are equal partners and work together to achieve a shared objective. This is what happened, for example, with Frozen (2013), where Jennifer Lee was promoted to "director," not just "co-director". --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

This one seems to be a Disney movie, so to avoid vandalism, semi-protect the page until November 24, 2023. Keep same time 2601:204:203:5110:1DF9:B98E:CCDB:4712 (talk) 02:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

2023??? Absolutely not. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

GA

This article looks very close to being nominated for a GA. What is left to be done? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it needs some expansion (esp. production), given the amount of coverage it's receiving... the production section seems a bit messy because a lot of stuff is out-of-order... the lead will also need to mention something about production... also, I'm unsure why there's a section titled "Commercial performance" and then a subsection under it with information about the box office when "Commercial performance" already discusses the box office... It's still quite a long way off, IMO... if anyone wants to get this to GA-status, I'm willing to help (y'know, if anyone wants my help...) Pamzeis (talk) 05:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m down to help some. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Kaleeb18: I'm still up to get this to GA status. You still down? Isn't it funny how being "up for" something means the same as being "down for" something? Pamzeis (talk) 05:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah I’m up for it. I have some time on my hand now that I have finished a massive project I was working on. I have never thought of that, but that’s kinda funny. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  • Sorry for disappearing for so long, but I've just been rewriting the "critical response" section here. Obviously, prose written by me isn't going to be great, and anyone is free to make (good-faith) changes. Lemme know what you think. Thanks! Pamzeis (talk) 06:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

    Wow... I read the whole thing. That was really, really good. I don’t know if it being super long is a problem or not, but I think that is one of the best critical responses I’ve read. Well done. I keep forgetting about this article, like somehow I have found myself trying to save Jabba the Hutt from being a delisted FA. Don’t ask how I got there because I don’t know lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

    So should we nominate or not? SteelerFan1933 (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

    Not now, no. It still needs some work. Pamzeis (talk) 01:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

    What problems are there? What work must we do? SteelerFan1933 (talk) 01:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Music writer is wrong

Lin Manuel Miranda wrote the music. 2600:1700:9160:DF10:7575:377F:30F0:AC9D (talk) 06:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Per Template:Infobox film/doc § Parameters, the |music= parameter is for the composer of the score, not the songwriter(s). InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thousand Days War

Is is ok to link the words "An Armed Conflict" in the beginning of the plot section to the Thousand Days War? SteelerFan1933 (talk) 17:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you absolutely, absolutely certain the conflict in question is the Thousand Days' War? This source and this source both express uncertainty. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I am absolutely, absolutely sure. We know this is based in Colombia, so I will list every conflict that happened and could be Encanto's, which is not many.

1. The Thousand Days' War. This resulted in a continuation of the current government of Colombia. This is short because there's not much evidence that it isn't the one. Sure, there's the rat frame, but it's a painting, not a photo, and it's with Bruno, who can see the future. We see the clothing strongly suggest this is the one, as the clothing was only relevant in 1945-1960, meaning the conflict was between 1895 and 1910. I think we should be a bit lenient to prove it and do a time period of 1890-1915.
2. Panama Crisis. This slightly is outside the time period, but there is a good argument. However, all the combat and atrocities were in Panama, not in Colombia. This pretty much eliminates this option.
3. Colombian Civil War of 1895. This is the other war in the time period. However, this is not the one, because the rebels were poorly armed, and there was zero reason for the government to attack a village. This would also be very specific time period, and there is a huge fact that there isn't one reference to World War II. This eliminates this option.
4. La Violencia. Here I will not pay attention to clothes, so let's assume Encanto's clothing just as the Casita came automatically set their grandkids' clothing back 40-50 years. This is rural Colombia after all. This was fought mostly in rural Colombia, and was the subject of the doubts from both of the articles. But there's one problem: Guns. La Violencia combatants no longer used horses, which were entirely irrelevant (They're not invading Russia in winter, ok?). What's more, the AK-47 was brand new, sturdy, and removed all advantages of using a sword and not a gun. If you still could not get an AK-47, you just went to some hunters' houses and stole their shotguns and hunting rifles. This fully eliminates La Violencia and shows the Thousand Days' War is the one.

I am absolutely, absolutely sure that this is the one. I am just as sure as I am sure N939AV is an A320-200 painted like Encanto (it is), I have edited this wikipedia page more than any other (I did, beating out Eric Berry 12-10), and that Lufthansa operates 19 747-8s (They do). I hope this is good enough, I spent a lot of time on this. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, most likely the ones who attacked the town were the Liberals but why? Most of the time the Liberals only recruited as many personnel as possible, the only way they would attack a town in that way was because of a strong resistance from the Conservative army. nationalist stationed there, the liberals only had one objective to take over the government, an objective that was also during the wars of 1895, 1884, the one of a thousand days, unless it was the one of 1876 that was for religious reasons initially Hailcolombia2009 (talk) 19:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I seriously think that there was a strong resistance from the Conservative army. There are many places where it could have happened, and we're not certain where Abuela evacuated from, so yeah. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 19:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I would like to make this comment about saying the Liberals attacking the town: There are many reasons, and we can only assume the Liberals killed Pedro, sadly. Disney probably does not want to make a political statement, and if the conservatives killed Pedro, that would really be a problem for them, as pointing it out probably would express disapproval toward the Colombian government and there's a lot that could go wrong. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Well I speak for all of you, I don't think Disney is based on a prefix conflict or time, already under the history of Colombia much of what is shown in the movie seems a combination of various things from Colombia therefore it is not based on a specific time rather, it is based on the history after independence to the present day, which, as you know, is full of civil wars and with other countries, ps I made some collages of the war of a thousand days and the violence, it would be good if they spread it through other wikipedias since they better show the conflict. Hailcolombia2009 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. Maybe we'll get more details that'll point us in the right direction, but for now it's not happening. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 22:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's the thing: no matter how strong any of this analysis is, no matter how sure you may be that this is the Thousand Days' War, it is all original research. For it to be included in the article, it needs to have a reliable source, not just your theories. Aerin17 (t • c) 20:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok, got it. My La Violencia section is mostly some spitballing about the AK-47, so I understand what you said. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 21:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

(film)

I saw that the Encanto page has appended (film) due to the (soundtrack). Do we really need the (film)? SteelerFan1933 (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Please see #What happened with this move? for a messy move situation from March. If you want to start a move request, you can, let's see how others feel about it at the 6 month mark since release CreecregofLife (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

It's been 6 months since release, so i'll go ahead and request a move, since the move request in March has fizzled out. The Encanto Soundtrack is now far less popular than the movie, with no songs on the Billboard Hot 100. However, Encanto is still the most popular movie on streaming, according to Nielsen ratings. Therefore, I believe the (film) marking is unnecessary. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

B-class criteria

• • 1. The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. (yes or no)=
  • 2. The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. (yes or no)=
  • 3. The article has a defined structure. (yes or no)=
  • 4. The article is reasonably well-written (yes or no)=
  • 5. The article contains supporting materials where appropriate. (yes or no)=
• Our friend SteelerFan1933 thinks all the answers to the above are yes. I must say as an outsider that lots of improvement has been made since this accurate statement. Where do we stand on the B-class checklist as of now? I think we're close (perhaps a bit shy on #2, casting section is undeveloped), but I don't have any investment in the page. BusterD (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

  I believe we are actually there. It's just that there's nobody responding to this, so we can't have a discussion about it. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

  I've completed the B-class checklists. Be happy to hear disagreement. BusterD (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 8 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Usage statistics in favour of calling the film primary. Concerns were raised on how much long term significance can such a recent film have, which was addressed by the supporters by citing the film's accolades. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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• Encanto (film) → Encanto
• Encanto → Encanto (disambiguation)

– The soundtrack has fallen out of popularity, with no songs on the Billboard Hot 100. However, Encanto is still the most popular movie on streaming. At the time I write this, it the #1 movie on the Nielsen charts. Therefore, it is extremely likely that those searching for Encanto will be searching for the movie and not the soundtrack. I believe we should change this page title to reflect this. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• But it’s not just about the soundtrack, it’s all the other things with the Encanto name as well CreecregofLife (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support – The film is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC based on the pageview comparison here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

  If that's the case, then I Support CreecregofLife (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

  Me too, I Support SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Notified: User:Wbm1058, User:Red Slash. Reason: Involved in a previous page move attempt. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Very likely that the film is the primary topic. Neocorelight (Talk) 01:03, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Won’t lie though, super curious what that means for those stations mentioned in the disambig page--CreecregofLife (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

  They'll be fine, they were never the primary topic. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: it seems likely the da page will move to Encanto (disambiguation), which is already a redirect to the space. I take no position on the move itself. BusterD (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Requested move of associated dab. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

    Good. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 18:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. BD2412 T 01:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - the target is a dab page the film no doubt is getting higher views than all other subjects combined right now, but that's no indicator of long term value of ambiguating the title and removing (film). In ictu oculi (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:RECENTISM, this is a recent Disney film, per In ictu oculi, there are other longer term existences that are not popular culture topics that suffer from recentism -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom and InfiniteNexus. If you look at the page views, the film gets millions of views while the other less significant articles only get thousands. This isn't a crystal ball reading, the film is the primary topic and would be better served at the dab page. And in reference to In ictu oculi, yes page views aren't the main factor for long-term significance but I believe that it does play a part in it. Page views and Google Trends can demonstrate what is long term value. cookie monster 755 06:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Showiecz (talk) 23:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Pure WP:RECENTISM. Where's the long-term significance? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The movie has won several awards and has considerable long-term significance.[2] Tree Critter (talk) 08:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
  • You really cannot tell in 2022 whether a film released in 2021 has long-term significance! That's what the "long-term" bit means! -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

    Well maybe this is an exception. Encanto was called "Disney's newest animation franchise" by the Disney CEO Bob Chapek, so it definitely an exception. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 14:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Technical problems

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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@Mellohi!: Based on comments above, an administator is needed to perform these moves. @Wbm1058: Can you assist with this? InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't think an admin is needed; only page mover at minimum. Move the disambiguation page first (so that Encanto itself becomes a redirect), then move the film page to Encanto. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

According to wbm1058, Encanto (disambiguation) needs to be deleted as well. I'm sure they'll take care of this when they have the chance. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I misunderstood the page mover powers. I thought it gave powers to overwrite multiple-edit redirects, but after I reread the documentation, I realized that it didn't (for obvious abuse-prevention reasons, since otherwise a page mover could nuke pages by redirecting them somewhere and then shoving another page on top). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

InfiniteNexus, if an admin is needed, why not just move the request to the appropriate section of WP:RMTR? -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Gonna ping @Amakuru: since he's more likely to turn up to an RM than Wbm. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I've yet to try rmCloser, but I'd be surprised if it was able to handle an RM close as complex as this. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Critical Acclaim

I am unsure on whether the film received critical acclaim, some sources consider so, but Metacritic only reports generally favourable reviews. The critical consensus from RT ("Encanto's setting and cultural perspective are new for Disney, but the end result is the same -- enchanting, beautifully animated fun for the whole family." is positive), but the average rating seems too low (7.5/10) for critical acclaimed films. It did win an Oscar, though numerous other films with similar or higher scores are considered as receiving positive reviews (I tried to change the "well-received" for Soul, also an Oscar winner to "critical acclaim", but the consensus is for the former label to stay). Therefore, could editors comment on whether this is appropriate compared to other ledes and reception sections? Here are some examples of others: (1) (2) (3) Many thanks for your help! VickKiang (talk) 07:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe that Encanto did in fact receive critical acclaim. Indeed, it has a very high rating among audiences, was applauded among critics, and even won 2 Oscars. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Where did you see it was "applauded among critics"? Somarain (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, though does "applauded among critics" indicate critical acclaim (where was this phrase used?), as the aggregators (MC,RT) does not consider this film to have received acclaim? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 01:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe "applauded among critics" does mean critical acclaim. They're pretty much synonyms with each other. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

75 Metacritic doesn't strike me as "widespread critical acclaim" either. Metacritic itself calls that "generally favorable reviews". Somarain (talk) 19:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

"Encanto (upcoming film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Encanto (upcoming film) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 10#Encanto (upcoming film) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Weasel Words

"Nevertheless, many journalists found fault with the music, such as National Review's Kyle Smith, who called it "thuddingly mediocre"." One journalist is not many, and this is hardly a notable magazine for film reviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C48:767F:FF1B:EC28:D86:8268:B06C (talk) 03:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@2600:6C48:767F:FF1B:EC28:D86:8268:B06C huh Sarah afton (talk) 19:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

more wikipedia articles for characters?

I think there should be more wikipedia articles for the characters, particularly Luisa and Alma. Dangervest69 (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dangervest69 I think that to but there's not that much to say about them plus the have awhole thing about them well I mean lusia does Sarah afton (talk) 19:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

"Draft:Untitled Brian Fee Pixar film" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Draft:Untitled Brian Fee Project" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2023

24.148.122.213 (talk) 02:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC) I Want to edit this

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)