Talk:Ethnic groups in Europe

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Native European[edit]

Almost all populations in Europe are native, yet the page says they are all extinct... what? Germans are extinct in Germany? Britons are extinct in Britain? This is a severe case of poor-quality lying. Who are you trying to fool, 3 year olds? Do you think an Irish people will read this and think they are extinct in Ireland or actually immmigrants from Mars? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.101.128 (talk) 20:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups[edit]

Seemingly there is a significant number of commentators which support the general removal of infobox collages. I think there is a great opportunity to get a general agreement on this matter. It is clear that it has to be a broad consensus, which must involve as many editors as possible, otherwise there is a big risk for this decision to be challenged in the near future. I opened a Request for comment process, hoping that more people will adhere to this proposal. Please comment here. Hahun (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2016[edit]

I need to edit, change and update "by country" paragraph for accuracy. There is a need for removal of some possibly inaccurate and unsourced edits. For example, Frisian-Dominant-speaking (0.01% is too small, unless there are places like islands where Dutch is hardly spoken) in "others" in the Netherlands, and replace it with information on Iranians in the Netherlands, who form among the top 10 ethnic groups in the country. Reference link https://www.internations.org/netherlands-expats/iranians The Netherlands census categorizes South Moluccans apart from Indonesians. http://www.safecom.org.au/dutch-moluccans.htm Adinneli (talk) 20:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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My apologies, let's try it again. Please change the mention of Frisian-speaking Dominant to South Moluccans in the Netherlands in "by country" section of the article. The article states 200,000 South Moluccans live in the Netherlands, which the country has 18 million residents, so they make up over 1% (1.5%?) of the population.

Adinneli (talk) 04:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Indians link[edit]

please change ((Indians)) to ((Indian people|Indians))

Yes check.svg Done - by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

germans without Immigrant background same as Ethnic germans?[edit]

Is the true percentage of Ethnic germans lower than 81% in the form? - signed by anon IP

American (United States) expats in Europe[edit]

Europe has between 4.5 to 5.5 million American expats, with the highest numbers in the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland, but they live everywhere in the continent. This is the highest number ever for US citizens and/or descendants in Europe. Many came to the continent to retire, as well those who do business and a few for political, economic or personal reasons finding Europe a better place than the US. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2016[edit]

Modern ethnic Europeans are a recent and ongoing evolution. The original anatomically modern human migrants to Europe from Africa arrived 40,000 years ago; these prehistoric Europeans were predominantly dark skinned, short of stature, lactose intolerant, and looked dramatically different in comparison to modern Europeans.[citation needed] The genetic lineage of Europe mysteriously[citation needed] transformed about 4,500 years ago, with changes in diet, body size and skin pigmentation, when Central Asian and West Asian migrants arrived with taller height and light skin genes, respectively.[1][2]

References

This entire section needs either removing or re-writing. Especially the first couple of lines which make some outrageous and very offensive as well as vague claims about European history with no evidence to back them up (citation needed, etc) The article in the 4th line about Europeans being darked skinned 8000 years ago has also been debunked.

Please clean up your site and check sources as well as remove content that has no validity but aims to confuse the public who use your site. thanks.

Jamesbrensonton (talk) 20:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your concerns. If you have a suggestion for the text, please re-open the request. Requests are typically of the format "Change X to Y". While the section may need copyediting, your request as currently phrased is very difficult to act on. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 20:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

DailyMail as a source?[edit]

The genetic lineage of Europe rapidly transformed about 4,500 years ago, with changes in diet, body size and skin pigmentation, when Central Asian and West Asian migrants arrived with taller height and light skin genes, respectively.[2][3] There is no precise or universally accepted definition of the terms "ethnic group" or "nationality"..

What? The first part is absolutely false and has been debunked. So. Many. Times. It's a pseudoscientific myth. And the second sentence is a pointless statement and reeks of ideological subjectivism (especially in the light of the current political events in Europe). And who on Earth thought that DailyMail is a scientific source? :D What is this garbage?

Also: "Modern ethnic Europeans are a recent and ongoing evolution" Since your first original statement is false, the "recent" part is false too. And all ethnicities are in ongoing evolution, so that also is quite pointless.


I am alarmed that the DailyMail source is still up there, especially after multiple removals. And now the edits are forbidden for the common folk, that makes it perfect. Shame, wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamp987 (talkcontribs) 21:59, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

That particular section had some citation needed tags on it, but since nothing was actually done about the issue (and a citation was not actually needed), I removed them. If you think the source is incorrect or poor, you're free to either fix it yourself or at the very least add the proper tag to it.
For what it's worth, yes, the sources for that part were very poor and dubious. However, the correct approach to this situation is not to complain about it on the talk page, or just tag it and move on; if you know the information is incorrect, remove it.
(also, when going through the page's history, I did not notice anything that looked like multiple prior removals of that information)
-- turdastalk 23:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Article structure/content improvements[edit]

At the time of writing the article contains (or contained) a massive amount of tables. I have removed the longer set of these tables, from the Linguistic classifications section, as the information in them should be—and already is—in the separate Languages of Europe article.

I don't really like the look of the other table either, because it takes up a lot of vertical space and interrupts the prose on the page. Maybe it should be moved to the bottom of the page, or moved to a new page entirely (eg. "List of ethnic groups in Europe"). Either way, I've left it alone because its contents are relevant to the article.

-- turdastalk 00:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)