Talk:Goldendoodle

Reliable sources

Hello Jenny8975309 (talk · contribs), your additions to this page are not attributed to WP:Reliable sources, a dog crossbreed association does not meet Wikipedia’s standards. Do you have any reliable sources for your additions? If not they will be removed. Cavalryman (talk) 20:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

The crossbreed association is recognized by OFA, Pennhip, and Good Dog, among others. They have not sought AKC recognition because of the requirement to close studbooks, which is not desired due to the deleterious effect on genetic diversity and related health issues. It has been in existence for over a decade and meets all breed group requirements. The information in the page is not current.

Additionally, that was only one reference cited and there are other references you deleted the information from. Other citations include scientific papers and major canine genetics laboratories that base their information on the scientific literature as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenny8975309 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I have never heard of any of those organisations you have listed above (which does not necessarily negate them) but here on Wikipedia we rely on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, your crossbreed association is not independent of the association, in fact they have an interest in the promotion of the crossbreed. This may seem frustrating to a new editor, but it ensures the encyclopedia prevents promotional or inaccurate information being included. Cavalryman (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

Since the breed association actually sets the standards for a breed I'm trying to understand how there can be any more reliable authority. Any other authority would by definition have to refer to the official breed standard, and that is created by the breed association.

The other sources cited include primary literature (again, reliable) as well as certified third party laboratories run by canine geneticists and veterinarians and these sources have primary literature citations within them as well.

I do not see how your claim for unreliable sources can stand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.19.45 (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello 75.89.19.45 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (I presume you are also Jenny8975309 (talk · contribs)), given this is a dog crossbreed and the reliable secondary sources already cited state there is a great deal of variation in these dogs because they are an unstable cross between two established breeds, any breed standard is speculation at best. As I have already stated above, dog breed (or in this case crossbreed) associations are not independent of their breed (or crossbreed) and so are not considered reliable sources, their existence and even some of their activities can be included in articles provided that information is cited to reliable secondary sources independent of those associations.

As I have have stated above, only one of the sources you have cited can be considered reliable and it makes no mention of the Goldendoodle, the information it imparts belongs elsewhere on Wikipedia. Further, you have removed information cited to reliable sources stating it is "not current", unless you can provide reliable secondary sources that corroborate this then I am afraid it will be restored. Cavalryman (talk) 04:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC).

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Reliability of Dog Encyclopaedia book for life span.

This book cites no sources itself for life span and all the claims just seem incredibly random like somehow the Bracco Italiano has a life of span 12-13 but the Slovakian Wirehaired Pointer has one of 12-14. Some breeds just have simply 'over 10 years' listed and nothing has a life span listed below 10 years.

I fail to see how something obscure like the bull boxer can have it's life span pin pointed to between a year yet the much more popular goldendoodle can only be pinpointed to between 5 years. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:59, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about the Dog Encyclopedia by DK Publishing? I'd be curious to hear the back story about this book's publishing, it's not marketed as such but it's really a later edition of Bruce Fogle's New Encyclopedia of the Dog and The Encyclopedia of the Dog. Quite a bit of it is an exact copy. I wonder why they removed Bruce Fogle's name. I don't have a copy of the last edition, but the earlier editions don't cite sources for their material. Not surprising as their chosen demographic was children. A shame though that we can't see where this info came from. Annwfwn (talk) 13:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I'm not really sure the source can meet the standard to make claims such as life span/life expectancy given it sources nothing itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not WP:MEDRS so I'll remove it anyhow. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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