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Review: March 11, 2024. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Henriette Ith appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Swiss-born peace activist Henriette Ith chose to marry an anarchist to regain Swiss citizenship?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Henriette Ith.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 22:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Swiss peace activist Henriette Ith married an anarchist seventeen years younger than her, stopping her from being deported from Switzerland? Source: *Cazals, Rémy (16 December 2016). "Rémi, Henriette (pseudonyme d'Henriette Wille) (1885-1978)" [Rémi, Henriette (pseudonym Henriette Wille)]. Dictionnaire et guide des témoins de la Grande Guerre, par le CRID 14–18. Retrieved 26 October 2023.
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Moved to mainspace by Frzzl (talk). Self-nominated at 14:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Henriette Ith; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

How wonderfully detailed! Gathering this much information for a new article is quite a feat. New, long, comprehensive, and impeccably sourced. Good job finding a public domain photograph as well. I would propose alternative hooks, however:

ALT1: ... that Swiss-born peace activist Henriette Ith had to marry an anarchist to regain Swiss citizenship?
ALT2 ... that Swiss photographer Henriette Ith became a celibate socialist after her husband turned to German nationalism?

They seem punchier to me, but would have to be reviewed by another reviewer if you agree. To make things easier for them, I will point out that the source is here, pages 47 and 45 for ALT1 and ALT2 respectively. Surtsicna (talk) 13:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! The photo there's apparently one of two in existence that had her in it, so it was quite the stroke of luck that it was PD haha. When I did this hook, I was wary of using "had to" because it implies that their marriage was purely for practical reasons, which I don't think it true. However, I really like the second, it's much better than my one. My only query for it would be with wikilinking - maybe celibate or German nationalism. Do you want to mark this second opinion? Frzzl talk; contribs 15:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed a recent trend here at DYK to eschew non-essential links, so as not to detract from the nominated article. I myself am a little confused as to what the current community consensus is regarding such links. Surtsicna (talk) 16:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 and ALT2 look good to me. I don't think either of them need wikilinks. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 00:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedom4U, Surtsicna, and Frzzl: I am going to change the wording of ALT1. It seems to me that she did not have to marry but chose to marry. Bruxton (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a: ... that Swiss-born peace activist Henriette Ith chose to marry an anarchist to regain Swiss citizenship?

GA Review

Passed. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 15:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 23:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kind of in shock at how niche this is; I love it. I may need some help the Esperanto sources, but I should be good for the French ones. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Well-written

Ugh, she rocks, what an interesting read! I did a little copyedit, mainly to sentence structure and length. Here's what I got:

There are some inconsistencies in the links; e.g. "Second World War" is linked in the article, but "First World War" is not linked in the lead, or "watchmakers" is linked in the article but not the lead. I would look over the article for this.
Per MOS:GEOLINK, "La Chaux-de-Fonds, Neuchâtel" should just link to the smaller unit
a socialist and political activist for social democracy — perhaps try: "a political activist for socialism", or just remove "a socialist"
Ith was one of five children — repeated info
as those she had experienced — "as those she had witnessed"?
to its staff to ease communication ahead of the 1929 International Congress on Education — does this mean they had to use Esperanto at the conference? If this is the case, I suppose I would make it a bit more direct.
for example for refusing to do military service — in context, this feels redundant, though you could move it beforehand to explain what a concious objector is.

Verifiable with no original research

In terms of reliability, I'm not seeing many red flags. Alcade, Cazals, and Garcia seem like prominent historians. Le Journal de Jura seems like a reasonable publication, and despite Sennaciulo being explicitly left-wing, it seems very well-researched and its bias hasn't come across in the article. No issues with copyvio. The sources are all in other languages and the article seems to combine or take liberties with them.

One minor thing, Girard 2014 cites her death as November 12, would it be worth including both dates?

Spot-check

I received Garcia 2015 digitally via an interlibrary loan; I wasn't able to get Schneller, but considering the precedent you've set, I'm willing to assume good faith with its use.

Girard, Jacques (7 July 2014). "L'incroyable vie d'Henriette Rémi" [The incredible life of Henriette Rémi]. Le Journal de Jura (in French): 9.
- Looks good Y
Cazals, Rémy (16 December 2016). "Rémi, Henriette (pseudonyme d'Henriette Wille) (1885-1978)" [Rémi, Henriette (pseudonym Henriette Wille)]. Dictionnaire et guide des témoins de la Grande Guerre, par le CRID 14–18. Retrieved 26 October 2023.
- Looks good Y
Garcia, Stéphane (2014). "Henriette Ith (1885–1978), Une militante aussi discrète qu'engagée" [Henriette Ith (1885–1978), an activist as discrete as committed]. Cahiers d'histoire du mouvement ouvrier (in French). No. 30. Lausanne: Association pour l'étude de l'histoire du mouvement ouvrier AÉHMO. pp. 44–50. doi:10.5169/seals-520287. ISSN 1424-0475. Retrieved 19 August 2023 – via E-Periodica.
- Page 48 seems to only refer to his refusal to pay a "military tax", so I'd replace it with page 47. Looks good otherwise.
Alcalde, Javier [in Esperanto] (2018). "Pacisma aliro" [A Pacifist Approach]. Aliroj al esperanto [Approaches to Esperanto] (in Esperanto). Prague: Kava-Pech. p. 19. ISBN 978-80-87169-86-5 – via HAL.
- Looks good, but is this not page 18?
Garcia, Stéphane (28 September 2015). "Henriette Rémi, une Suissesse face au visage inhumain de la guerre". La Suisse et la guerre de 1914-1918: actes du colloque tenu du 10 au 12 septembre 2014 au Château de Penthes [Henriette Rémi, a Swiss woman against the inhumane face of war] (in French). Colloque "La Suisse et la guerre de 1914–1918", Société d'histoire de la Suisse romande. Genève: Éditions Slatkine. pp. 107–115. ISBN 978-2-05-102745-8.
- Looks good Y

Broad in its coverage

Looking at the other languages, Garcia seems to have written a preface and postface for Hommes sans visage, though I imagine it covers a lot of the same. And even still, the article is very extensive; no source is left behind and all are used fully.

Neutral

The opinions of Ith are all attributed. Her political beliefs are stated without promotion.

Stable

No recent content disputes or edit wars.

Illustrated

The portrait suffices and is correctly labeled as public domain.

Summary

Great work on a fascinating figure! Only a few comments to address!

I'll be putting this on hold for now. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As @Frzzl: is busy with exams until June 27, I've taken the liberty of addressing these minor comments. I haven't touched the Sennaciulo source though, so I would still confirm the conference sentence and date of death. Otherwise, great work! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Thanks so much!

Thank you so much for your work on this article @Averageuntitleduser - apologies for not responding to the comments in a timely fashion! I really appreciate it, hopefully we can work together in the future :D Frzzl talk; contribs 21:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, it was a great pleasure! And don't worry about it, if anything, I was bein' a little hasty for the drive. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]