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Dubbing in Germany

"The show later became popular in Germany. In response to both sensitivities over Nazism and German laws which prohibit Nazi symbolism, when German characters raised their arms and said "Heil Hitler" in the original version, the dubbed German version would replace that line with something ridiculous, such as "The wheat grows this high"."

This is not completely correct; also in the german version they sometimes say 'heil hitler' - but sometimes it is also replaced. Nabrufa (talk) 02:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

this is somewhat misleading. Maybe there are different dubbings, but the Nazis are Nazis and evil in the german version. German law indeed prohibits Nazi symbolism, but with the exception of educational and scientific uses and of art. As this series shows the Nazis as bad, there is no problem with german laws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.73.11 (talk) 08:52, 17 July 2004 (UTC)

It's true! Sometimes it is replaced by "Heil Kräuter" (= medicinal herbs) and only if a Nazi officer frowns they say then "Heil Hitler"! But this has never been disputed and it's not illegal because thats art! 89.50.29.126 (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

"The show is currently running in Germany, with a newly dubbed soundtrack without such bowdlerism."

This is not true. Although it is correct that the series was newly dubbed (the first dub was only made for 34 episodes), the new dub also features such jokes avoiding most appearences of "Heil Hitler" to make it more funny. The German dub is even more focused on humour than the original version so plenty of jokes were added to the dialogue.


EDIT: "Heil Hitler" is not avoided in all cases. Its not replaced when Klink or Schultz are talking personally to Hochstetter, Burghalter or ohter high-ranking officers.

Klink is not a Prussian officer in the german version. He speaks with Saxon dialect.--Tresckow (talk) 03:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay

http://www.traces.org/buseumnarrativetexts.html says that it was not unthinkable for the Nazis to house black and white POWs together. So that means I can delete a large chunk of the text messing up this article. If you have otherwise information that it *never* happened, post it back here. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm really surprised they didnt just kill all the blacks.. isn't that general nazi practice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 22:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Even if he was black, they were still soldiers afforded protection by the Geneva Convention. Believe it or not, the Germans generally upheld the standards set by the Geneva convention for the treatment of POWs. 70.41.43.216 (talk) 01:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Sgt Schultz activites

Lets not forget Sgt Schultz "Daily" actives!!:

  • Flirting with waitress and boasting about being a bigshot
  • Drinking beer and Klink's wine
  • Stealing and smoking Klink's cigars {also stealing and eating Klink's marmalaid and Cavaier}
  • Wishing Klink was at the Russian Front
  • Pretending to Lose his rifle so he wouldn't fire it in a gunfight
  • Giving his rifle to a prisioner
  • Firing his rifle widely in the air in panic and not hitting anything

In short Sgt Schultz is the "Cowardly Lion" without courage!!

Which is fine for an article about Schultz, but not an article about the series. We unfortunately can't include every humourous moment we remember from the series (there were lots, I agree!) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The Rifle of Sgt. Schultz

I'm sure, the rifle Sgt. Schulz repeatedly looses, lends and forgets to load is NOT a Krag-Jørgensen rifle. I think it is a K98, which would be historically correct, though I am not completely sure about it.

  • Maybe there were several different rifles used by Sgt. Schultz in different episodes. I am watching Episode 301 (The Crittendon Plan) right now, and I am pretty sure, Sgt. Schultz carries a Mauser K98, which is indeed bottom-loaded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.60.244.192 (talk) 11:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Kalinke

The source is the german wiki page for hogans heroes. And because I am a kraut and living in germany, I saw it every day on tv, and I heard every day, that Klink says "Kalinke" and "my little bitch" (meine kleine Schlampe) and all that. My ears are in perfect condition. And Kalinke is a typical german name, while Kalinka is a russian name. Why should a german cleaning woman have a russian name??? And besides, the german google gives 714 to 10 for Kalinke.

I'll assume that you're probably right on Kalinke/Kalinka, I'm not really knowledgable on German/Russian names at all :) But you're still going to need to source something official (Wiki doesn't count as a source) if you want the bitch/naked stuff in there. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Characters

The section Characters features only Klink, Schultz and “other Germans.” Shouldn’t it also mention Hogan at least, and “other prisoners”? — Michael J 11:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Pilot Rerun

The article states "The series pilot was produced in black-and-white, and while it was run as the series pilot, it never ran in reruns ....".

Yes, it did run in re-runs. I remember seeing it several times, on various stations. 147.240.236.9 21:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

As did I. WSBK in Boston most definetly aired the pilot throughout its long run on the station. I have removed the reference. 66.31.78.14 (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Characters Reply

This is one of the reasons why the Wiki Talk Page is so valuable; I did not notice that there was no detailed mentioning of the Western Allies characters (Hogan, LeBeau, Newkirk, Carter, Kinch). A big "thank you" to Michael J for mentioning this. So, I have taken the liberty of expanding this article to discuss each one of them. You are welcome. User:ProfessorPaul 05:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This piece doesn't fit

In another of Pitlik's guest roles, he plays a German spy pretending to be a new American POW. He learns the truth about Hogan's operations, but Hogan feeds him false information and tricks him into making a fool of himself. The spy is thus discredited and dismissed. Pitlik makes several appearances on the series over the years, each time as a different character.

This seemed like extraneous information where it was in the article.-Giant89 19:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This segment really doesn't fit: I removed the sentence "Lately, he has hit fame with MSW. He is currently the one and only MSW Champion and has been since MSW started." as it makes no sense, especially in the context of where it was. Who is 'he'? What is 'MSW'? And what does this have to do with Hogan's Heroes? I can only guess that this segment was intended for another article. --Random guy 23:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

William Christopher

I'm curious in the part(s) William Christopher played in the series. He appears in the place of Larry Hovis in the theme song/lead-in in some of the episodes. IMDB shows him as appearing in 4 episodes but he appears as a different character in each episode. Did he appear in the pilot? Was he supposed to be a regular character? Was he intended to replace Larry Hovis at one point? I haven't been able to find any more information about this. --Stlbud 04:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Christopher was only a guest star on the series who appeared in several episodes, one of which, if I recall correctly, had him playing a German. No, he never appeared in the pilot. As for Larry Hovis, he was a guest star in the first episode. When the person who played the Russian character in the pilot, Leonid Kinskey, refused to sign the contract after the series was picked up, because he thought the series was taking the Nazis too lightly, they signed up Larry as the fifth main prisoner, and gave Kinskey's character's part to LeBeau and Newkirk. I seriously doubt if the people in charge of the show ever considered him as a replacement for Hovis. Leoni2 19:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, I remember that Christopher stood in for Hovis in the episode where Hogan's bunch make the Germans believe that the war is over to free four prominent leaders of the underground. Christopher's character name was "Thomas". Mblem1 (talk) 01:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Coincidence?

Ivan Dixon plays Sgt. Kinchloe. There was a Korean war fighter ace named Iven Kincheloe. Clarityfiend 05:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Officers vs non-com

I noticed frequently that Hogan strolled around while his men worked, and it always looked wrong to me for Hogan to be putting his men to work but not bending his own back. However, in "Bridge over the River Kwai", I first became aware that under the Geneva Convention, officers were not required to do work, even as prisoners. The last edit to the article indicates that Carter is a non-com. Is Hogan the only officer of the five main POW star characters? If so, then I can understand why Hogan wouldn't work, especially to keep up appearances. GBC 16:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Col. Hogan is the only officer among the five main star prisoners. So, if the Geneva Convention says that officers do not work, even after being captured, then Hogan won't work, while his men work. I hope that answers your question. Leoni2 19:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Concentration camp ID's

The part about Banner "also" having to wear long sleeves to cover up concentration camp ID's, as Cleary evidently did, sounds tacked on and perhaps is the result of their two stories being concatenated. Any source for this? Ron Coleman 17:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I'd read on Banner, I don't think he was in the concentration camp system long enough to be ID, if at all. That was Robert Clary who go ID, but after the German conquest of France. I believe that Banner, like Akins and Clary, had relatives who did die in the camps. Leoni2 19:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

IMDB states that "Clary has a tattoo on his left foream, "A5714," from his time in a German concentration camp during WWII." user:mnw2000 00:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Fanfiction

Exactly why is fanfiction discussed in the article? What makes it relevant to the show? Not only does it not cite anything, it doesn't add anything to the article. What the fans write about characters isn't canonical and certainly doesn't deserve it's own section. Hawk405359 21:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

"Hogan's Heroes was one show with a fair number of fanzines before the Internet made those obsolete. While I'm not sure if it deserved its own section, I do believe it deserved some mention, though possibly a better idea would be to link to the term fanzine.

However, it is probably not going to fit anywhere here now, in the way the article is crafted.

Filming and locations

It would be interesting to hear a little about the filming of the show. I know some of it was shot at Paramount Studios. Robertknyc 16:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand that the HH set was blown up for the last scene of the Nazi exploitation film Ilse:The She-Wolf of the SS.~~Hexiva

Hogans Heroes was filled on location at the 40 acres backlot in LA. Today at the site there is nothing but commercial buildings (Ed Hardy Sales Outlet). Its located at Cuvler City off the end of Hayden Pl. The origianal set location (40 Acres) has quite alot of Movie and Television history. See 40 Acres Backlot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.104.249.241 (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Possible inspiration for the series

The "Colditz castle" POW camp was probably one more true inspiration / template for Hogan's Heroes: Many actions depicted in the series have their true counterpart in Colditz castle, which became "Oflag IVc" after the outbreak of the war. Please read the article about [1]Colditz castle here on Wikipedia for some facts. A recent British/German TV documentation tells what the Wikipedia article doesn't point out so clearly: It's pretty funny to hear some original former inmates and guards telling about tricks, pranks, black marketing and the unbelievable escape plots of many POWs. Even though it was a "high security" camp, the vast extent of the old castle was hard to control by the SS and the inmates exploited it greatly. Just like in HH, there were specialists for everything in Colditz and so they managed to improvise many things (radio, counterfeited uniforms, weapons and documents and so on) we find in Hogan's Heroes, crowned by the famous escape glider they build in the attic. Relations between guards and inmates were pretty good and there were many "Schultzes", benefitting from the well-supplied inmates. The mass of similarities between the series and actual happenings in Colditz shed a new light on what seems to be unbelievable in Hogan's Heroes. --213.39.162.83 00:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Kinchloe

A few times in the article, Kinchloe's name is cited as "Sgt. James Kinchloe". I know that there is at least one episode in which he is called "Ivan Kinchloe". I'm not sure which episode (possibly Season Five, Episode Seven:Bombsight), but in it they try to get the help of a woman in France who actually went to high school with Kinch. Is there actually an episode in which he is called James? Maybe this would even belong under plotholes or something of that sort. --GummiLoveQuad 02:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


Correction: The episode is from Season Three: "Is General Hammerschlag Burning?" --GummiLoveQuad 06:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

From what I have read, that was a goof on the actress' part. She said Ivan's real name during the scene when she should've said James. Leoni2 19:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Although, people in that generatin did go by middle names to close friends, so that could be a middle name.

Kinch

"Kinchloe" is a fairly uncommon name. Anyone seen any information to the effect that the character James Kinchloe might be named after Iven C. Kincheloe? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 04:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Russian Spy

Anyone have information on the actress who played the Russian Spy? Who was she? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jokem (talk • contribs) 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC).


if u mean marya , she was played by nita talbot

http://www.stalag13.de/german/nebendar.php#tig

Timeline

Two episodes in season 6 may indicate the producers never did pin down exactly when the series was taking place. One featured a “V3” rocket, something that Germany never produced. Since the V2 rocket came into the fore in the Autumn of 1944, the “V3” would have come sometime later. In the very next episode, Klink makes a reference to assisting the troops at Stalingrad. The battle of Stalingrad occurred late 1942, early in 1943. You see what I mean? (205.250.167.76 22:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC))

Alternatly it's possible that the production/air sequence of the show isn't chronological. As I recall there's not a lot of episode to episode continuity, if any, so the only hiccup is cast changes. Setting the show during the war, but at random moments. (StarkeRealm 09:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

Right sided steering wheels?

My grandmother worked in Germany for the Pentagon from the mid 1960s to the late 1980s. While over there, she owned several cars, a few of which she brought back with her. A brown 1982 Pontiac Grand Am, a dark blue 1984 Volkswagen Quantum and a deep blue 1975 Volkswagen Superbeetle. Each of them made and intended for German drivers. Each of them had the steering wheel on the left. The Superbeetle is now my car and I drive it daily. It even still has German instrumentation in it, and it's one of the few Superbeetles with the original fuel injection system still in it and still working (for some odd reason). At least I know for my superbeetle, the car is 100% German stock. Although I'm pretty sure the Quantum was modified before being shipped over, I think it was just the instrumentation and a few engine modifications to get it street legal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.254.147.60 (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Yes in germany you have, and had, normaly left sided steering wheels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabrufa (talk • contribs) 02:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
What the heck was this in reference to?! 193.63.174.211 (talk) 08:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Germans Speaking English a Goof?

I really don't understand the way the article was phrased, so I cleaned it up a bit; hope it looks okay. The way it was, it made it sound like the very fact the German charcters spoke English was a goof. I'm sure it wasn't meant that way, though, becasue nobody in their right might would expect a sitcom - or maybe even a drama - to have a foreign language spoken with regular subtitles. People don't normally watch TV to pay that close attention; maybe a movie with foreign subtitles once in a while, but to sit down weekly and watch something where you're going to have to pay close attention to the bottom of the screen? I could be mistaken, but I don't know of any show where this was done.

Now, the way I believe the person meant it is the way I changed it. I believe what was meant was that with a plausible explanation - talk of working on learning German, etc. - that it would be completely understandable with the audience willingly suspending disbelief when they hear Germans speaking English. Then, I allow the section to continue with the note that in one, Schultz had to interpret, etc.

I think this is a much fairer application of that "goof," which is really only highlighted because of a series of things which violate the suspension of disbelief that is required to watch this show. Because, people "watch" TV while doing other things, and don't always have time to read subtitles. I highly doubt any show could last if the creators did that. I love it and I might not have watched.

Side Note: England was ruled by German Monarchs for centuries - remember George III from our revolution - He was German, the Hanover family. Prince Albert was also of the Hanover Family, married to Queen Victoria - his cousin. The Royal family changed their name from Hanover to Windsor during WWI when their cousin, der Kaiser, went to war with Europe. As such, German has always been taught in English schools as a second language, and English in German schools. They have been doing business with each other for centuries and is required. So it really isn't unusual for most of the guards to speak English. Many of them were probably selected for guard duty because of this ability. ;-) 72.207.95.34 (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Chris

it was some sachsen-coburg-gotha or something like that. hanover is, like windsor, just a fake name for the pr... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.48.68 (talk) 08:18, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

If a Hogan's Heroes-type situation had ever occurred in real life, the men chosen to sit in as POWs would, one, be flawlessly fluent in German, two, well-drilled so that, if awoken unexpectedly, they wouldn't betray this fluency. All the times we see Hogan and his people outside the camp posing as German military or civilians, they would be speaking German all the time. It's been pointed out that in reality, black American soldiers would not be integrated with white soldiers in a German POW camp, and so there would not be a "Kinchloe" conundrum (although in at least one case, Kinch passed for a German by posing as "Abwehr" - face hidden by a mask). I admit to also being a little confused by meal arrangements - did POWs prepare their own meals, or did the camp staff prepare it? If the former, did some POWs in each barracks do this with supplies provided by the camp? GBC (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Plot holes section deletion

While I disagree with mentioning Underdog in any edit summaries, I have to agree that the article looks much more professional without half of it being devoted to complaining that it's California vegetation in the background. I strongly support leaving it out. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 18:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Train to the Eastern Front?

The following text is on the Colonel Klink section of this article:

"Eventually Klink became aware that Hogan and his men were more than just ordinary prisoners -- in one late episode Hogan rescued Klink from a transfer to the Russian Front, and afterward Klink sat in a westbound train with Hogan (who was wearing a German officer's uniform), frightened of what seeing Hogan in that uniform implied. Hogan calmly explained to Klink that he would be kept safely in his command of Stalag 13 as he was far too important to Hogan in that role to be allowed to be transferred anywhere else."

This incident never occurred. While Klink saw some fairly dubious things, and while it has been speculated that Klink was actually working for the Allies, Hogan never actively explained it to him. It's possible that whoever added this came on halfway through "The Klink Commandos," in which Klink believes that Hogan has been drafted into the Wehrmacht by "General Reichstauffer", actually Carter, and made an assumption. At any rate, I'm off to delete this.--Hexiva 19:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Hexiva--Hexiva 19:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ. I’m away from my set of DVDs until September 10, but I checked the section you quote above, and it does take place. Hogan was dressed in a Heer (Army) major’s uniform, IIRC. I will check this once again when I get back home and cite the episode. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 03:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime, I'm putting it back. If my memory has made any minor errors, please correct them after you review the episode. (Season and episode title would be appreciated so that I know which season to order from Amazon, as I want to see that one again.) -- Davidkevin 17:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you, perhaps, mean the episode 'Hogan's Hofbrau?' I, too, have the DVDs, and I can't for the life of me remember any such incident.--Hexiva 20:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

As I wrote above, I don’t have the DVDs at hand and therefore cannot check. I will do so when I get back home, sometime after September 10. ——Jim_Lockhart 03:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Hexiva, you're correct about “The Klink Commandos” episode (though the general Carter impersonates is called Reichsschneider! I thought the name of the SS colonel Hogan and Maria entrap—Waffenschmidt—was clever too): Hogan (who is dressed in an army colonel’s uniform with the coloring for infantry) does not tell Klink that he’s too important to Hogan’s operation. But I’m sure there is an episode in which this happens. What a great excuse to watch them all again! I’ll report back in a while when I’ve found it, or concluded that it’s not to be found. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 13:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, but until you find it, I think at least putting the 'citation needed' thing there is in order?--Hexiva 19:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it’s in order. It’s going to take me a while to get through all these DVDs!<g>

Just out of curiosity: Have you ever noticed that, whereas Wehrmacht uniforms (Heer and Luftwaffe) are depicted pretty accurately, SS uniforms are almost always not? Not only do SS people almost always appear in pre-war black uniforms, but also the insignia are usually wrong. The cap eagles are often wrong as well.

I’ve also been noticing that Hogan and Klink are much more antagonistic towards one another in the season one episodes than in later ones, and that in season one episodes Hogan often plays tricks involving Klink’s Pickelhaube (such as offering the tip to him, turned upside down, as an ashtray). Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 14:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I think they had Hogan become more antagonistic to Klink because things were supposed to be getting darker as the war ran on. --Hexiva 00:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

On a somewhat related subject, why does this text ('He also allegedly tried to flatter Sgt Schultz for a position as a bookkeeper in Schultz's Toy factory') have the word 'allegedly'? And why are there so many exclamation points in this article?--Hexiva (talk) 04:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably because so many contributors are exuberant fans rather than careful (let alone skilled) editors. Lots of work to do, huh? <g> —Best regards, Jim_Lockhart (talk) 05:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep. I made some minor changes(I'm afraid I forgot to log in), and a few somewhat major one-- Schultz never said he was a Social Deocrat. Lebeau said 'Just because you're a Social Democrat doesn't mean you have to be social!' or something to the effect.I can't remember the episode. Also (and correct me if I'm wrong) I'm pretty certain that Klink was not actually removed from command on the incident that Schultz acted as Kommandant.--Hexiva (talk) 00:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Saw "The Klink Commandos" epsiode-in which Klink is in a train compartment with Hogan; Carter; Kinchloe; LeBeau and Newkirk also wear German uniforms-only because Carter dressed as a German General tricks Klink to letting them go on train -which also goes backwards from the Russian Front; however didn't have section of Hogan telling Klink that Klink was too important to Hogan only as Commandant of Stalag 13. In epsiode "Hogan's Hofbrau" Klink does see Hogan in a german Uniform-before Hogan pays off klinks debt to the "Adolf Hitler Panzer division" Officers

Original research/unverified claims banner

It's useless to place this banner at the top of the article and not detail on the talk page exactly what points are claimed as being OR. 68.146.41.232 15:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't put it there, but I think whoever did has a point. Doesn't all that talk about 'in one episode,' not just in the place where I can't remember the episode, need a citation?--Hexiva 16:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Newkirk's accent

It's a little imprecise to say Newkirk was speaking with a "British" accent. Actually, it's more a case of Richard Dawson (actually from Gosport, Hampshire who would sounded a bit more rural) doing a rather wobbly "cockney" or "Sarf London" accent, probably after being told what it should sound like by someone who'd never heard one. It frequently wobbles into the "drunk Australian hairdresser" dialect known only in American TV series, though nowhere near as badly as Dick Van Dyke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jscb (talk • contribs) 11:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I spent 3 years in England (1969 - 72) and Newkirk's accent floats around quite a bit. But I have heard many true Brits do the very same thing, just like we here in the US often affect a Southern drawl or Boston (sorry - Bahstin) accent to make a point or tell a joke. 72.207.95.34 (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Chris

I have moved this text from the article to here:

In another episode Klink and Hogan are allowed to "escape" to England to steal a new secret P-51 aircraft for the Germans-one which has a Bf-109 engine! {One goof is that the P-51 was a single seat aircraft!}

I never saw this -- although that doesn't mean it was never in an episode -- but it seems to me to be far-fetched even for Hogan's Heroes. If someone can confirm it, by all means put it back in, but it does feel doubtful to me. Also, weren't there 2-seat versions of the Mustang for training? -- Davidkevin (talk) 16:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Episode "Easy Come, Easy Go," first aired on 10 January 1971. It's the third episode on disc 3 of the season-six DVD. HTH, Jim_Lockhart (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll put it back -- thank you.
By the way, did you find the episode with Klink and Hogan (in a German uniform) on the train? -- Davidkevin (talk) 16:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Which episode, 'Klink's Commandos,' or the unidentified one argued about above? -- 64.203.49.194 (talk) 02:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't know to which one you're referring, but I was talking about the one with Hogan having rescued Klink from a transfer to the Eastern Front, and the two of them (with Hogan in a German uniform) traveling west, returning to Stalag 13. -- Davidkevin (talk) 03:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Still haven't found it, so the person who originally challenged it may have been correct. Still going through the episodes to see if I can find it. If I do, I will identify it (which I think would be better than just writing "in one episode such-and-such happened, while in another, this-and-that happened"). This article needs citations of facts and fewer anecdotes and less speculation. As it stands, it reads too much like a fan site rather than an encyclopedic article. I'd also like to see more on the program's satirical nature. HTH, Jim_Lockhart (talk) 03:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
  • There was one epsiode-when Hogan-to descredit a eyewitness who had seen him commit-sabatoge-dresses in a German Uniform and goes to a Field Marshal's party-where Klink sees him; then Hogan sneaks back to the POW camp to fool Klink and the Gestapo! "Hogan's Double Life" 6/22 {1971} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.33 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
  • In the "Klink Commandos" Hogan tricks Klink into letting the POWS receive German Uniforms and sit with Klink in a Train Compartment.
  • In the "Easy COme Easy Go" Hogan and Klink have "Escaped" back to England and are being questioned in a Train Compartment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.79 (talk) 15:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I think these are both far too long and need to be pared down to something close to the size of the Allies' listings. Klink's is definitely too long and crowded with unnecessary trivia. Rhindle The Red (talk) 17:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that the desciptions of Klink and Hogan should be the longest. Klink was played by Werner Klemperer in a sweet irony —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaidOff (talk • contribs) 22:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I've heard that in the series finale it's revealed, or at least hinted at that Klink is actually working for the Allies as an agent called "The Fox". Any info on that?--96.233.3.246 (talk) 16:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

NPOV Deletion

Removed the following text, which is biased and does not belong in an encyclopedic article.

"Regarding TV Guide siting Hogan’s Heroes as being the 5th worst TV show of all time, TV Guide also sited Baywatch (NBC/Syndication, September 22, 1989–May 19, 2001) as the 21st worst TV show of all time. It's not too difficult to understand based on TV Guide’s LWT (left-wing tendencies). Too bad “Fair & Balanced” does not run in TV Guide's DNA." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smylere Snape (talk • contribs) 17:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article definitely needs cleanup - lots of spelling errors and personal tone problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.100 (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

i added some request for citations. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Controversies

The controversies section seems borderline useless. Only one statement is actually sourced and that statement (about TV Guide listing it as one of the five worst series) is hardly a controversy at all. Lord Seth (talk) 23:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material

I have removed a bunch of unsourced, poor sourced and original research material. This entire article could probably be gutted and restarted from scratch with proper sourcing but I will wait. If any material is re added, can it please be accompanied by sources. This appears to be an ongoing problem for some time. Let us try to improve this article. Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 14:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I have noticed that there is alot of chatter about "I watched the DVD and" ect. This is original research. We need to have reliable, independent sources that can be looked at and review by all, not just the actual show itself. Thank you.--70.109.223.188 (talk) 14:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
That's ridiculous. The HH DVDs are primary source material, which can be looked at and reviewed by all. Referencing them is no more OR than referencing a book... or a website. 68.73.85.6 (talk) 06:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Then go ahead and add specific citations to that "primary source material". Citing the closing credits as the source for Crane playing Hogan is easy. However, descriptions such as Kinch being "a talented mimic" or Schultz "inept" require some degree of analysis of the show and would be considered OR. 71.86.32.178 (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Summarizing is *not* OR. Eg, that Kinch is a "talented mimic" and Shultz is "inept" are both well documented in the series and in the article examples are given. Of course specific cites should be made, but that is a separate issue than whether the DVDs are appropriate source material. 68.73.85.6 (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Hogans-Heroes-book.jpg

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Rationale added to image article.Johnmc (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Colonel Klink's bio

  • He is in his 40's.
  • He has a brother who was fired from his factory job after he blew it up by accident!
  • He got into a Military academy only through the influence of his uncle-a barber to a town Mayor. In contrast to Hogan Klink graduated dead last in his class and is the only one not to have risen to the rank of General. {In the D-Day episode Hogan tricked both Klink and the German General Staff into thinking Klink is a General in charge of the German Responce to D-Day-his only response to the Allied Landings is to order some champagne!}
  • In the only reference to World War I service Klink panicked and crashed his airplane and caused his passenger the "Blue Baron" {Parody of the Red Baron} to walk with a limp! Ironically in a few episodes Klink is wearing the Pour le Merite!
  • Between the wars Klink was a Colonel for 20 years with a efficieny rating of a few points above miserable! In one episode Klink tries to get Schultz to hire Klink as a bookeeper for Schultz's toy company after the war!
  • In the Only reference to World War II Service-besides being a POW Kommandant since February 1942-Klink claims to want to pilot a Heinkel again and was in the 410th Bomb Group as the "Iron Eagle". {The 410th was a US Bomb Unit}
  • Among the World War II decorations he wears is the Iron Cross 2nd Class; the Luftwaffe Observor badge and the Luftwaffe Assault badge {for paratroopers!}
  • His worst nightmare-besides being sent to the Russian Front-is to be married to General Burkhalter's sister. In one epsiode when Hogan remarks-as part of a bigger plot-on Klink's wedding to her, Klink vows to have Hogan shot and claims no court-martial in the world would find Klink guilty of murder!
  • The one time Burkhalter comes close to approving trasfers of Klink and Schultz to the Russian Front, these two stooges end up nearly destroying the POW camp while getting ready to leave it; Burkhalter cancels the transfer after realizing that if he sent them to the front-he would be shot for treason! posted on 09:33, 5 June 2008 by 134.53.145.50 (talk)
  • In one epsiode which had allied fighter planes over the POW camp-Hogan realizes these are piloted by Germans-otherwise Klink would be hiding under his bed!
  • In one farcical episode in which Hogan disrupts Klinks plumbing, Klink plays the Straight man at the end who gets a faceful of water from his sink faucet-after Schultz tries the faucet and it works Okay! {This gag was repeated in a epsiode where Klink gets hit in the face with a stream of water from a fire hoze while trying to protect his cookoo clocks!} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.214 (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Were it not for the social rules and mores of the times, would we have been reasonable to guess Klink to have been a "confirmed bachelor?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaidOff (talk • contribs) 17:07:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics to theme music

I've commented out the lyrics to the theme music until a citation can be cited to verify them. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 18:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Location

Stalag-13 (Stalag XIII-C) in the show was closely located to Hammelburg, and it is the most often referenced town. Hammelburg is located in Bavaria, East of Frankfurt am Main, and North of Würzburg. Many times activies happen at the Hoffbrau restaurant in Hammelburg.

Another often referenced location is Dusseldorf.

Is there any interest in discussing the locations mentioned in the show? Eiserlohpp (talk) 05:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like it would be worth a passing mention. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 14:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
The episode "Movies are your best escape" (1965) Hogan greets the aircrew of a reconnaissance aircraft which had been shot down near Düsseldorf, and he mentions that the Germans may have seen their parachutes, and if so would be searching for them. This seems to imply that Stalag-13 is located near Düsseldorf. This does not conform to the location of Stalag-XIII-C near Hammelburg in Bavaria. This is one of many times that Düsseldorf is referenced.

There is 338 km between Hammelburg and Düsseldorf (Passing Frankfurt am Main, Wiesbadden, Koblenz, Koln). Eiserlohpp (talk) 08:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Another restaurant in Hammelburg is the Hauserhof. (Top hat, white hat, and bomb site(1965)).Eiserlohpp (talk) 00:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

In episode "Killer Klink" (1967), Sarget Shultz says that Heidelberg is 106-5/7 km away, a lovely town, and he is glad to go back there. It is his home town, and he is going down there over the weekend, he has a three day pass. Hogan askes Shultz to deliver a package to 55 Batten Strasse. This does indicate that Stalag-13 is north of Heidelberg (which is ESE of Mannheim). In reality, Hammelburg is North East of Heidelberg, proceeding along A5, to A6 (to Heilbronn), north east on A81 (through Würzburg), A3, and A7 about 229 km. Eiserlohpp (talk) 23:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

As the crow flys the distance is 117 km. --CSvBibra (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

the sea is about 100km away heidelberg is 106km berlin as far as paris düsseldorf is near (app 150km) it is just some fictional german village —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.48.68 (talk) 08:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Fantastical Technologies

We should mention that the writers of the show, invented many fantastical technologies, specifically for the show.

In the TV Show "Hogan's Heros", many technologies are invented by the Germans for the war effort. For example, rockets are mentioned in many episodes. Some specific technologies created by the writers of the show are:

German Fantastical Technologies

  • V3 Rocket, a human piloted rocket, bigger than a V1, smaller than a V2. The pilot is told that there is an ejection mechanism, but that is a lie.
  • A miniature tank, that is remote controlled.
  • An aircraft engine that is so quiet, it could be thought of as acoustic stealth.

Eiserlohpp (talk) 05:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

White Russian or White Russian?

The reoccurring character of Marya is described in the article (and the show) as a "White Russian". An editor recently elaborated that White Russian means Belorussian. Possibly. But the term "White Russian" can also refer to anti-communist Russians (as opposed to the Red Russians). During WWII, the anti-commie White Russians had an ambiguous relationship with the Axis powers. They liked the fact that the Nazis were anti-commie, but they hated the fact that the Nazis were anti-slavic. I had always assumed that Marya was an anti-commie type of White Russian, partially because her loyalties are never quite clear and always suspect. Does anyone have any thoughts on this, or more importantly, can site info from the show that demonstrates what kind of WR Marya was? 68.73.85.6 (talk) 03:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I just saw an episode where Klink refers to Marya as a "White Russian" in order to differentiate her from the enemy "Russians", which seems to imply that she is of the anti-commie type of WR. In any case, and since no one else has commented on this, I'm going to point out in the text that WR is at best unclear. 68.73.85.6 (talk) 07:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Hogan's Horde?

Is there any truth to the rumour that the original concept for Hogan’s Heroes was called Hogan’s Horde? It was supposed to take place in an American prison. Hogan was a criminal and the prison guards were the foils of his activities. Executives reviewing the concept felt that this plot would be inappropriate as it would be glamorizing criminals (the bad guys) at the expense of law enforcement/corrections (the good guys).

The idea of moving the concept to a POW camp enabled the good guys to be in a prison like environment but still remain the good guys.

I remember reading this “somewhere” but since I can’t produce the citation, it is in the realm of rumour. Anyone else remember this? Throckmorton Guildersleeve (talk) 16:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


I read somewhere that "Hogan's Horde" was supposed to have been the orginal name of the series.

At the end of an episode the copyright says Hogan's Horde. Booksweet (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Allied Spy "Nimrod"

In one epsiode where Klink is kidnapped by the Underground so as to be traded for a captured Underground member and Hogan has to get Klink back by tricking the GErmans into thinking Klink is "Nimrod"-an allied superspy spy who gives away the Top German secrets; at the end Hogan and his men are congradualted by "Nimrod". Now who could "NImrod" be? Certainly not Klink; General Burkhalter is too much a Prussian to be a spy for the allies; that leaves only Klink's secretary-who is in a position to learn of German Secrets {example: Burkhalter unwisely flirts with her} but also because she throughout the series willingly helps the Hogan and his band of merry men! {Too bad ther series ended-and she is revealed to have been "Nimrod"-not only the one allied spy who gives the Allies German Secrets -but who also is protected by the fact that the Germans are too busy trying to catch Hogan they do not realize "Nimrod" is under their very noses!} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.209 (talk) 12:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Though this isn't a forum, I will agree with you; don't see anyplace where it fits int he article, but yes. Although, if you check out the fanfiction.net forum for the show, there has been some speculation that Burkhatler could be Nimrod and just a superb actor. (Edit, now tha power's back on) The reasons given on that forum are that so many top level people seem to funnelled *to* Stalag 13, as if Burkhalter is giving Hogan charge over them, and that a couple times Burkhalter conveniently ignored some very strange things. (Most notably when the movie actor was used to blow up a bridge - Burkhalter could have simply destroyed the films.)
So, I'd actually start something under "Other agents" if you can.209.244.30.221 (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Krauts

Why do the prisoner's always refer to the Germans as Krauts? From what I read, that was a term only used by non-prioners. In The Great Escape (book, movie, and video game), the German are always referred to as goons in the prison camps. Kraut was used by active soldiers, goon was used by POWs. Emperor001 (talk) 14:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Well:
  • In TGE book, the prison guards are referred to as "goons", not all Germans. In HH, the term "Kraut" is most often used to refer to Germans in general, not the guards specifically.
  • HH is a TV comedy, not a documentary.
    • 68.73.114.58 (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
    Thanks Emperor001 (talk) 20:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
    Btw, in an early episode (episode 3), Carter (who is the most recent member of the unit) does refer to the guards as "goons" when he is caught outside the barracks after hours, but the other unit members appear to dissuade him from using the term in order to not offend Schultz and presumably maintain their cover as contented prisoners. I interpret this as the writers acknowledging the historical reality while providing a rationale for altering it. 68.73.114.58 (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

    Felice Orlandi

    The link for him goes to Alice Ghostley, who he was married to. Is there no Wiki page for him? --Halmass (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

    Tense of the article

    Many summarising paragraphs of this article are written in the simple past tense.

    Examples: "As Kinchloe and Baker were African-American, their ability to participate in undercover activities outside of the camp was limited. In one operation, Kinchloe played the role of a doorman at a nightclub in Paris in order to get close to the owner."

    "When Hogan needed a strictly audio impression of Adolf Hitler, the men generally agreed that Kinchloe was the better choice for the job over Sergeant Carter. Kinch was from Detroit."


    I understand for summaries this rule applies, which is directly taken from the corresponding wiki article: "Unlike a retelling, a summary has no dramatic structure and is written in present tense or historic present."

    Not being a native speaker I'll give this the benefit of doubt and won't edit anything but I thought I'd point it out. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.58.202.199 (talk) 16:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

    Resistance Group?

    IMO, the intro mischaracterizes the "Heroes" as a "Resistance group". A resistance group is typically made up of members of the population fighting against foreign occupation or their own repressive gvmt. The "Heroes" are, instead, an active military "espionage and sabotage unit" (as quoted by Hogan) operating undercover from a POW camp and under the direct command and control of (*not* simply "in radio contact with") Allied Command in London. Of course, the "Heroes" coordinate their actions with and utilize the resources and networks of local German resistance groups and the French resistance, but they themselves are an active military unit.

    If there are no objections, I'll make changes in keeping with the above in the next few days. 68.73.114.58 (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

    Cancelation

    Why was the show cancenled? Emperor001 (talk) 17:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

    Pilot Problems

    After reading the section about the pilot this line stood out to me; "In the pilot, Klink's secretary is actually part of Hogan's team and had access to the tunnels." After seeing the pilot episode I do not recall Helga having tunnel access at all. Is there any one who can confirm this and if so correct the article? Thank You. Brakeman Billy 10:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

    Yes she did have access to the tunnels. Hogan is giving a detailed tour of the tunnel system (which is much more extensive than anything ever subsequently shown, complete with a printing press for printing counterfeit Reichmarks and a metals fabrication plant where they manufacture items for sale in Hammelburg) to a Gestapo undercover agent, and in one section there is a barber shop where Helga is working giving manicures. (You can probably find the pilot on youtube.) Although Helga moonlighting as a manicurist is never referred to in latter episodes, it is really never contradicted (that I can think of), and so really doesn't constitute a retcon. 68.73.114.58 (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thank you for clarifying this to me. In the version I recorded from TV does not show this scene. Hogan shows the steam room to the agent and says “then when your ready for a trim…” and they walk off, Hogan closing the steam room door, then they fade to commercials. Brakeman Billy 18:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

    Ah... as you probably know, the syndicated versions of TV shows usually cut a minute or two in order to make space for more commercials. Btw, the full pilot is up on youtube (for reference purposes only :).[2] 68.73.114.58 (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

    Hogan's Bombardment Squadron

    • In one episode of "H.H" when Hogan kidnaps a Field Marshal in exchange for his own captured General-Hogan's unit is 504th Bombardment Squadron-a World War II US Bomb unit-which was stationed in US during the War! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.180 (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

    To the IP who keeps adding unencyclopedic info with exclamation points in curly brackets

    {PLEASE STOP!} 68.73.84.231 (talk) 14:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

    Newkirk's Uniform

    I removed the "citation needed" after the reference to Newkirk's cap.

    I served in the USAF, and I still have my flight (or "cunt") cap. RAF/RCAF/RAAF/RNZAF caps are a completely different cut. I have a Canadian one. Newkirk is wearing a USAF "Eisenhower (Ike) jacket with RAF insignia. British and Commonwealth battledress did not have lapels until 1949. Commonwealth BD is also more grey.

    Post WWII: http://www.rathbonemuseum.com/GB/RAF/GBAVMNillson/GBAVMAllinson.html

    WWII: http://onlinemilitaria.net/shopexd.asp?id=1621

    USAF Ike jacket: http://usafflagranks.com/usaf_service_dress_ike_jacket.html This is what Newkirk is wearing.

    USAF flight cap: http://usafflagranks.com/usaf_service_dress_coat_uniform_files/image018.jpg Newkirk is wearing one of these with RAF insignia.

    RAF side/wedge cap (Canadian version, very similar): http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/ar-ra/page-eng.asp?id=160

    First, you should sign your notes. Second, if you remove a "citation needed" tag, you should replace it with a... citation, NOT an elaborate explanation on the talk page. 68.73.93.130 (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

    Tree Controversy?

    "Although the entire series appears to have taken place during the harsh German winters (with patches of fake snow on the ground, frost on the windows, etc.) many shots show deciduous trees with all of their foliage in the background."

    How, exactly, is that controversial?JSteele48 (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

    Looks like somebody has shoehorned a "goof" into the more "serious" section. Johnmc (talk) 10:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


    Theme Music

    Are we expected to believe that the similarity of the shows theme music to the chorus of the 1910 "whosover meaneth me" song by J. Ed­win Mc­Con­nell is just a conincidence? John Elson (talk) 05:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

    "The England"?

    Article states that both Klink and Schulz call Newkirk "The England." As a German speaker I always understood them to be saying "Die Englander," meaning "The Englishman." Is there a verified source that says it's "The England"?24.17.199.144 (talk) 20:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

    The "Lost" Episode

    From time to time there surfaces an urban myth about the "lost" Hogan's Heroes final episode where it is revealed that Klink was actually a double agent for the Allies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.60.22.6 (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


    I've never heard that one. My brother once told me there was a last episode in which they all went home, but now that I have the DVDs I think he was just pulling my chain. John Elson (talk) 04:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

    Kinchloe the mimic

    Is that taken from Michael Sinclair in Colditz? Hakluyt bean (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

    Title Sequence: Staff Car

    I was looking for the staff car at the intro to the hogan's heros title sequence and i couldn't find it here on this wikipedia page. i had to search for it and eventually i found out that the jeep/car in the title sequence is a 1939 Mercedes G4 six-wheeled staff car. i found it here: http://www.historicautoattractions.com/Pages/hitler.html . this is a EXTREEMLY reliable source since it is a museum and museums are known for hunting for the truth (most of the time). I believe that this is relevant to the article since this is almost always what Gen. Bukhalter rides into Stalag 13 and Bukhalter is a central character.

    Please consider adding Dockofusa (talk) 22:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

    Season 1, Episode 27 "The Safecracker Suite", Klink gets a visit from an old friend that he went to military school with. It was Major Kronman, played by Anthony Eustrel. The IMDB information: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0602434/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.129.249 (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

    Contradiction Tag

    Regarding the two lawsuits: One mention is not supported by the source -- now tagged failed verify. The other source is a book. In any event, the failed verify source says there was a failed lawsuit against the producers. The second suit was against the network. Does this explain? Not really, because we don't have a WP:RS for the first suit. (Perhaps the solution is to delete.) --S. Rich (talk) 09:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

    Fixed. As usual, Andy Rooney was making up the facts to fit his argument. There was only one lawsuit, and the writers of Stalag 17 lost it, as discussed in the Hollywood Reporter article. -- AyaK (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

    Episode Guide

    This must be the only television based page that does NOT feature an episode guide. Nor a mention of one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.41.76.94 (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hogan%27s_Heroes_episodes (Booksweet (talk) 18:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC))

    General Burghalter

    General Burghalter is a Airforce General and not an General der Inflanterie(Army Rang). He would be either a General der Flieger or General der Flakartillerie or General der der Fallschirmtruppe or General der der Luftnachrichtentruppe. And an General der... is a 3 Star General in Wehrmacht, Reichswehr and Imperial Army. The General Rang were Generalmajor(1 Star) Generalleutnant(2 Star) General der...(3 Star) Generaloberst(4 Star) Generalfeldmarschal(5 Star). The Bundeswehr is the only German Armed Force in history were a General is a 4 Star General. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_%28Germany%29#World_War_II p.s. sorry for my bad english. --84.46.62.120 (talk) 05:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

    Hochman's Heroes

    And in the subsequent issue of Mad magazine, there were several letters critical (to put it mildly) of this. Jokem (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

    Sgt Shultz's rifle

    It is an Italian snoper rifle. It is a 6.5 mm Carcano Italian Snoper rifle. Many of these rifles exist in America today. I actuaully have one myself. They are very accurate and very loud. I shot a deer over 1/4 mile away and although only a small entry wound existed the other side of teh deer was almost completely unsalvagable. I only hunt for food not sport. And, I no longer hunt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.147.101 (talk) 09:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

    Stalag 13 & post-war israeli comics

    dear all,

    in a documentary i just watched i found that the first of a series of post-war israeli pornographic comic books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_(pornography)) was indeed called stalag 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8h6ixxQHo).

    maybe this information should be mentioned in the article?


    best, lars meyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.25.68.30 (talk) 22:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

    Werner Klemperer

    I like this line about Werner Klemperer's conditions for playing Col. Klink;

    "During the show's production, he insisted that Hogan always win over his Nazi captors or else he would not take the part of Klink."

    But I'd love to see proof. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

    Broadcast schedule?

    The article states that the final season (1970-71) was aired on Sunday nights from 7:30 PM to 8:00 PM. How is that possible when 60 Minutes has owned the 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM time slot on Sundays since its 1968 inception? Bill S. (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

    Inaccurate statement in Klink's bio

    I removed the following sentence from Klink's bio section, as it an oversimplification:

    Indeed, officers of the German military (as opposed to the Nazi party's SS forces) were prohibited from joining any political party, including the Nazis.

    The relations between party and military were much more complicated than that: According to the Wehrgesetz ("army law") from 1935, all soldiers (not just the officers) were indeed prohibited from taking part in political life: They were not allowed to vote (which quickly became a meaningless excercise in Nazi Germany anyway) and memberships in political organizations were suspended during their time with the army. Besides, regulations changed several times during the Nazi era to progressively strengthen the party's control of the military. (E.g. in 1943, political commissars were introduced, and from 1944 on, nazi party memberships stayed active.) Since the statement is just an aside, and an in-depth exploration of the topic isn't really relevant in the context of this article, it's best IMHO to remove the sentence to avoid spreading misinformation. ––Baumi (talk) 08:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

    Stalag 17

    "Many have also seen the interaction between the prisoners as being at least somewhat inspired by the black comedy motion picture about a World War II German POW camp, Stalag 17. This movie even had a Sergeant Schultz, who appeared genial but was actually in league with the traitor among the prisoners."

    I also noticed this one afternoon when Stalag 17 was on television, but according to one or more books which I can't remember the title of, this is merely a coincidence.

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.255.205 (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2005‎ (UTC)

    Leon Askin

    Leon Askin lived directly across the street from the playground of my grammar school. Despite the warm Southern California weather, he used to wear a buttoned-up trenchcoat as he strolled up and down the street walking a formidable-looking German Shepard. We recognized him through the fence--it was less than ten years after the show's run had ended, so he looked substantially the same--and frequently waved to him, shouting, "Hey! General Burkhalter!" One day--so help me, this is true--he treated us to a full-blown Nazi salute! Unbelievable, considering his past. The guy had either fully come to terms with everything or gone 'round the bend, I don't know which.

    Three years ago, I stumbled upon Askin's website, and on it he recalled his amusement at watching traffic screech to a halt! In any event, Askin was a remarkable fellow. After fleeing Austria in 1940, just in the nick of time, he returned to his native Vienna when already in his nineties, some fifty years later. Some may conclude that he was a self-hating Jew, but I prefer to look at it the oppposite way: he refused to allow the Nazis to define him and rob him of the German cultural affinity that he obviously cherished. --Bamjd3d

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.220.34 (talk) 19:56, 26 July 2005‎ (UTC)

    Hogan - Goldilocks?

    In the article is says that Hogan (and his group) is referred to as Goldilocks while his London contacts are referred to as Papa Bear. If I remember correctly, this is accurate in reference to the pilot episode, but throughout the rest of the series Hogan is referred to as Papa Bear (like the episode "How to Catch a Papa Bear").

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.253.62.111 (talk) 21:16, 6 May 2013‎ (UTC)

    How about setting up an archive for this Talk page?

    This page has become quite large – WP:TALKCOND suggests setting up archving on a page "when it exceeds 75 KB, or has more than 10 main sections." This page is rapidy approaching 75kb; futhermore it now has 70 main sections, so, I'd suggest adding a MiszaBot template to take care of that, leaving, e.g., the 10 or 15 most recent conversations in here.

    However, I'm not going to implement such a change without asking for feedback first. So: Any votes for or against enabling archiving for this talk page? Thanks for any input. ––Baumi (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

    I agree, the page is cumbersome and many sections have not been updated for more than a year. It's time to send them to storage. Mediatech492 (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
    Since nobody disagreed with it for a month, I've added a template for MiszaBot to archive this page. --Baumi (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

    Schultz

    Sgt. Schultz strikingly resembles the real-life Sgt. Schultz of Stalag III, as described by Joseph Beyrle in his personal story. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

    Is "The Great Escape" another film this series could have been based on?

    The book "The Great Escape" was released in 1950. Then the movie "Stalag 17" was released in 1953, perhaps following the influence of the book. Then the movie "The Great Escape" was released in 1963.

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.20.214 (talk) 17:14, 2 December 2008‎ (UTC)

    The article on The Great Escape (film) acknowledges this show's similarity to that movie and provides a reference. It's obvious just from the timeline (among other reasons) that the idea to make this show was more inspired by the success of the recent movie than by anything else. Richard K. Carson (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

    Lawsuits concerning Hogan's Heroes

    The subject of lawsuits against the producers of Hogan's Heroes is covered under Controversies. It is totally unnecessary to add another article about it at the top of this page where it doesn't belong anyway. Please read the entire Wiki page before you add such stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Gruber (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

    Klink didn't always wear his monocle when sleeping and whether he did or not is totally trivial (which is frowned on in Wikipedia).

    Please include a reference to the episode of Schultz saying Klink is afraid to fly. I only know of the episode in which Burkhalter says it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Gruber (talk • contribs) 11:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

    Black vs. black

    Capitalizing the term Black when referring to race is proper (call it political correctness if you want). Using the lower case black to describe a person's race is as demeaning as is calling someone russian or polish or white. Using the lower case black was done for decades, but is now considered unacceptable.Tim Gruber (talk) 20:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

    If this is the most widely accepted convention, you should find it easy to cite a verifiable, reliable source or copyedit policy which supports this assertion. You may be editing in good-faith, but this is an encyclopedia, drawn from properly cited sources, and at this point you have only given your opinion as a source for the convention you wish to use. -Josh3580talk/hist 23:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
    It was considered acceptable as were many other terms no longer considered acceptable (even though still widely used). Frankly I don't know why you have a problem with it being capitalized or would insist on it being lowercase. What is your source for saying it is still considered politically correct (outside of racist circles)? How about if we make it Afro-American the term that is considered the most acceptable (or are you going to dispute that and insist lower case black must be used simply because you want it that way). Tim Gruber (talk) 12:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
    UT Austin's style guide clearly states: "Capitalize names of races (African American, Caucasian, Asian, Native American), but do not capitalize “black” or “white” when referring to race." If you were capitalizing "White", I would have the same problem. It's just convention, not "political correctness." "Political correctness" is not a verifiable, reliable source for these changes. —Josh3580talk/hist 16:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
    Other MOS's agree so I would agree that it should be lower case. Dbroer (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

    Historical inaccuracies

    There is nothing wrong with pointing out that a self propelled howitzer was used in an episode as a German Tiger Tank. That is what historical inaccuracies is about. Otherwise most people won't know it wasn't a Tiger Tank or that it wasn't even a tank. Yes, other TV shows and numerous movies used substitutes; ironically in the movie Patton they used Patton Tanks (M-47) as German tanks. There's no reason not to point this out and no reason to delete it. Wikipedia is about informing people not keeping them ignorant.

    The Luftwaffe did not keep Allied airmen officers in separate Stalags as was first written on this Wikipage (the Luftwaffe was in charge of airmen prisoners). They did mix them within the same Stalag, but generally kept them separate from enlisted in separate compounds (However, Stalag 13 only had one compound didn't it?). While they didn't put officers in with enlisted they sometimes did have a few enlisted mixed in with officers to do work for the officers (can't have generals and colonels doing all of their own stuff can we?). Someone had also written that Allied prisoners were also put in separate Stalags by nationality and that it was historical inaccurate to have British, American and Free French prisoners in the same Stalag. Nothing could be further from the truth (although they did try to keep American and other Allied prisoners in separate compounds, but it wasn't a hard and fast rule). In fact at Luft Stalag III (where the "Great Escape" took place) British, Australian and New Zealand prisoners were eager to have a Dutchman or Norwegian as an escape partner because they could more easily speak with an authentic German accent (many Dutchmen and Norwegians spoke German as a second language). Only Russian and some other Eastern European prisoners were put in separate compounds where they were often deliberately worked and starved to death.

    If you want to delete everything from Historical inaccuracies that is allegedly "original research" this is what you would have left out of the entire article:

    • In the episode "Hold That Tiger", the German Tiger Tank is actually an American self propelled howitzer called the M7 Priest and is not considered a tank. It has no turret and weighed less than half of what a real German Tiger Tank weighed.
    • The presence of Colonel Hogan, Colonel Crittenton and occasionally other Allied officers mixed together with enlisted personnel in a Luft Stalag, other than temporarily, is partially historically inaccurate. While Luft Stalags, unlike most Stalags, had a mixture of officers and enlisted personnel, they were generally put into separate compounds within the camp (compounds were separated by barbed wire fences with no prisoner movement between each compound). Also Luft Stalags were considerable larger than the 103 prisoners depicted on the series and normally held thousands and in the case of one Stalag over 130,000 Allied prisoners.[1]

    Rather than deleting whole paragraphs until some historian or college professor writes a published book that you can reference on the historical inaccuracies of Hogan's Heroes (as if that will ever happen), ask for authentication and correction. Wikipedia is not about getting it completely right immediately or not at all, but correcting and verifying. For that matter if you were to delete everything that is allegedly "original research" about Hogan's Heroes you would end up with just a few paragraphs rather than all the information currently on the page (nearly all the information on the characters, storyline, and large portions of other sections would all have to be deleted). Tim Gruber (talk) 11:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that "not all of this can be referenced" and agree that if you wipe everything that isn't cited, you'd have very little page left. However, this page is RIFE with OR - with the character sketches being the most egregious - much of which you and another new editor have added. Only slightly less egregiously OR is the "Historical inaccuracies" section. I simply cut out the worst of the OR in this section. In addition, some of the things that I cut had zero to do with OR - such as my edit on the Tiger Tank. This has NOTHING to do with OR or Historical Inaccuracy and EVERYTHING to do with a studio substituting "any" tracked vehicle for a Tiger tank. So please temper your argument with what I actually said and didn't say. If you can't see what you put in is OR (or most of your defense above for that matter), I'm not sure how far we can get...
    We can certainly debate the best way to do this or what needs to stay or go, although it appears removing ANY of your insertions is a non-starter for you, but the way that it SHOULDN'T have been done is for you to do a wholesale revert of my edits - all of which are justified by Wiki policy and guidelines. I don't want to create an edit war (or continue one which you are trying to create) so I will leave the text as is to see if anyone else chimes in. However, please note that what you did and the way you did it was 100% wrong and justifying it by stating that I'm some sort of literalist who is trying to ruin the page is unfair in the extreme. Ckruschke (talk) 20:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Ckruschke
    If we're going to go by shouldn't then you shouldn't have deleted whole paragraphs but rather asked for a rewrite or verification (the idea should be to improve not remove). The information wasn't added just for the hell of it or without justification and putting it back to the way it was before you messed with it was not wrong. I’ve already had one Wikipedia vigilante give me a bunch of crap about “original research” and that only almost anything that hasn't been published in written form by a historian, scholar, author or other so called reliable source in some book or article should be removed from Wikipedia (he used the same justification as you). For example if Carl Ballantine was in the movie “The Shakiest Gun in the West” you cannot add it to his Wikipedia article unless it was written in a published book or article according to this Wikipedia vigilante. So what if this fact is in the Wikipedia article about the movie or if you watch the movie and see his name and face in it, it is not allowed. People shouldn’t know that about him; leave it out until it is written in some book or article that matches that vigilante’s interpretation of Wikipedia’s criteria.
    By the way I didn’t write most of the information on the characters in Hogan’s Heroes. Most of the info was there before I ever touched it. I merely rewrote many of them (or parts of them), added some information from the videos and added numerous references to the episodes the information came from so that if anyone doubts what is written they can watch the episodes and verify it for themselves (for instance where someone had written “in one episode” I added what the episode was rather than leaving it unknown). And there are some things about the show and each character, especially their personalities, that were never published about them and may never be published in written form about them. It doesn’t mean it isn’t true (although I consider the videos of the show to be a published source as would any court). The goal should be to have good reliable information and not just information someone published in written form (as if everything published in written form is always correct or more reliable than the video itself).
    Again there is NOTHING wrong with pointing out that the so called Tiger Tank wasn’t even a tank. Most people wouldn’t know unless it was pointed out to them and they would think that’s what a Tiger Tank looked like just as some would think Hogan’s Heroes is based on actual events that took place at a German prisoner-of-war camp (unless they have information to the contrary there’s no reason for them to believe otherwise – most people simply aren’t all that knowledgeable about history let alone WWII let alone prisoner-of-war camps). The whole purpose of historical inaccuracies is to point out such things. It doesn’t matter one bit WHY the studio did it and you were 100% wrong in deleting it (it’s no different than pointing out that submarines didn’t have the technology to communicate while submerged during WWII – it’s historically inaccurate no matter why the studio portrayed it that way). Tim Gruber (talk) 12:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
    You appear to be taking my comments and edits very personally. I never said you put it all up, but anyone can look at the page history and see what you've done. And "Reliable Information" is supposed to be independently verifiable (thus the requirement to source) and not open to someone's non-NPOV interpretation (the definition of WP:OR and what most of this page is).
    I've raised legitimate issues that you and others are inserting OR information all over the page. I'm not going to debate with you what is and isn't OR, what content is so important that it doesn't matter if its cited, or how I should have flagged sections for rewrite rather than simply get rid of them. You can look up Wiki policy of original research and how work is supposed to be cited if you don't believe me. In the meantime, have fun... Ckruschke (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Ckruschke
    Speaking of seeming to take it personally, being defensive or not liking it when someone undoes something you did... Forget the psychological analysis, that works both ways. Yes, you have the right to raise legitimate concerns which is why I suggested flagging the material for rewrite and verification rather than elimination. I would bet probably at least 90% of Wikipedia would be gone if people eliminated unreferenced or "original research" material. And I understand what you were trying to accomplish. It did rewriting and does need verification and I hope others will be able to do a better job than I did on both. But I hope you can understand what I was trying to accomplish too by giving others something to work with rather than have huge gaps in the information about the subject. Tim Gruber (talk) 09:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

    Camp Nazi Flag?

    I often noticed that the Nazi flag flying over the camp was a "reversed swastika" or sauwastika of the Buddhists. Was this consistent with all swastikas throughout the show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.239.69 (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

    Is is possible that because the flag was displayed outdoors and potentially visible from the street that there were laws against flying the Nazi flag in California? Either that or perhaps it was a way not to offend anyone so that people knew it was for production. Having a left facing flag might have been a way around that but I'm just speculating. Dbroer (talk) 01:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
    I've been watching the show on MeTV and the swastikas on uniforms, displayed on walls etc are the same as original WW2 era Nazi ones. A flag with a directional design, made of pieces sewn together, only looks correct from one side. Bizzybody (talk) 07:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Ivan Kinchloe's name

    I wonder if the character Ivan Kinchloe was named after Iven_Carl_Kincheloe,_Jr.? Bizzybody (talk) 07:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Laugh Track?

    Just a fyi, the article on Laugh Track gives some history of this show if someone wants to add it in. --168.215.131.150 (talk) 17:53, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

    A Successful Failure?

    OK, I'm confused. The show ran for six years; 168 episodes. The "Reception" section notes that it was nominated for Emmy's 12 times, and awarded two. Then goes on to say that a TV Guide rated it "the fifth worse TV show of all time", based on ... what?

    If the show was that bad, how is it that the sponsors felt good enough about it to keep it going for six seasons? If it was so rotten, how is it that the show averaged two Emmy nominations for every season it was on?

    I submit that something needs to be said to explain this apparent discrepancy, probably in the "Reception" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

    You are absolutely right. I came onto this Talk page to note that as someone who (a) lived through the era when this show was popular and (b) has read about it since, there are many more sources explaining and discussing why this show was popular at the time and how it fit in culturally, both because it was part of a tradition of military comedies where the officers were constantly hoodwinked and made fun of by the men under their command, and also because both the returning veterans AND the people who'd escaped the war by coming to USA enjoyed laughing at the show.
    I know these sources are out there as I've read them in the past. If I get some time down the road I'll try to come back and at least fix up that section because the way it reads now you'd think this was some awful show, when actually it was funny as heck, made stars out of a couple of the cast members, and ran on network TV for years. Its being called the "worst show" nowadays says more about the political correctness of our current culture than the actual quality of the show, as shown by the source that says it had good writing and acting.TheBlinkster (talk) 22:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

    Bonachelli Pizza

    Is there a reason the image of Bonachelli and Hogan is in black and white? It was in colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stelith61 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

    The photo in question was originally in black and white, which was the normal practice at that time. If you look at the original photo image (go to the source page for the photo), you'll see there's the color CBS logo attached to the photo. __209.179.29.116 (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

    Another Hogan's Heroes photo

    We hope (talk) 15:19, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

    Why was Burkhalter over Klink?

    I have never understood or have seen it explained as to why Gen. Burkhalter was in charge of Klink. Burkhalter was an Army General and shouldn't have been Klink's superior, since Klink was in the Luftwaffe. Has anyone ever read an explanation for this. If there is an explanation somewhere, I for one would like to see it included in the article. __209.179.29.116 (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

    Burkhalter seemed to be in charge a number of different areas and projects and I think the POW camps fell under his purview. I think in reality that there were different camps for different branches and so the show was a mix of reality. I think the article reflects that. Dbroer (talk) 18:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
    Yes, it's always good to remember that the show was fictional. Funny, but not real. - BilCat (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

    The allies would never bomb a prison camp?

    As I recall it, 400 prisoners were killed when the allies bombed Dachau (?)

    3,000 prisoners were killed when two 400-bomber raids attacked the hospital at Peenemunde, but propaganda liars accused the evil Germans of killing them.

    The virtuous allies deliberately carpet-bombed civilians including their own prisoners of war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.109.172 (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

    I know nothing!

    The "I know nothing!" catchphrase of Sgt Schulz refers to the response of a German Gerneral at the Nuremberg trials. Actually he said I know nothing, and furthermore I don't believe it!" when he was told that his soldiers had been roasting and eating Russian soldiers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.109.172 (talk) 20:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

    Robert E. Hogan's middle name?

    Someone changed the E. to Edward. I could not find a source to support this and in fact found several sources that said it was never specified so I changed it back. If someone finds a WP:RS feel free to change it along with the source. --Klaun (talk) 02:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

    Klink's medals

    After WW2 the allies confirmed that the Iron Cross was actually awarded meritoriously. It was not a political award. It was also awarded to members of the 150,000 Jewish soldiers in the German military. As a result, German soldiers were permitted to keep their decorations provided the swastika was removed or replaced with a different symbol.

    Because the Iron Cross (EK1 and EK2) required several acts of bravery each, the implication is that Klink's bravery was recognised on several occasions. Of course, we are watching Hollywood, not actual history. Every episode contains a propaganda falsehood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.109.172 (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

    This is a 1960s American TV sitcom. Most of the audience would have lived through WW2 and would have found it easy and comforting to see the German armed forces as incompetent cowardly fools. Attitudes today are rather different - Nazis are not amusing, and the German army was in fact widely respected and indeed feared (this comes from my late father who served in the British Army at the end of WW2). It's interesting to compare Hogan's Heroes with the later British sitcom Allo Allo, which portrays both the German army and the French Resistance as laughable buffoons and had a similar audience demographic. Many people find both these sitcoms uncomfortable viewing today.--Ef80 (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

    New subarticle "List of Hogan's Heroes characters"

    Hello! I'd like to inform that the article "List of Hogan's Heroes characters" is being made. I have created a draft already to avoid coldposting and I'm letting you all know for the same reason. NowIsntItTime 16:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

    I should also mention that most of the character's descriptions in this article will be moved over to the list, and a new, shorter description based off the current ones will be made. NowIsntItTime 16:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

    Outside opinion

    I have fixed up information in a section regarding the episodes, and a sub-article called "List of Hogan's Heroes Characters". I have rated the article as C-class with Mid-importance in two wikiprojects, would this be an accurate rating? I would like an overall opinion on the references, accuracy, structure, grammar and supporting materials of the article, as most of the references were not added by me so I would like to know what I'd need to fix in order to improve it. - NowIsntItTime 19:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

    Manhattan Project

    The article state Manhattan project is German - it is certainly not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:648:8103:76C0:C1E5:D759:7D6E:BC7B (talk) 06:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

    German Dub

    This claims the first german version was named "Barbed Wire and Heels", that is incorrect. The actual title is "Stacheldraht und Fersengeld" and while Ferse means heel, "heel money" is an idiom for "paying with your feet" as in making a quick escape. Therefore it needs to be translated a lot less directly ... maybe "Barbed wire and get-aways"--95.222.208.193 (talk) 03:28, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

    Kenneth Washington

    It astonishes me that this article had been here since 2002 and didn't list one of the regular cast members. It does now. Alden Loveshade (talk) 01:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

    1. ^ "Captivity, Flight and Survival in World War II" by Alan J. Levine, copyright 2000, Greenwood Publishing Group
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